Pakistan's New Provinces Plan ?

I don't separate the Pakistani 'Establishment' from the Pakistani 'nation' or from the Pakistani 'State'.

As for India, we could benefit from what the 'political freedom' the Indian youth enjoy by watching some of fact based videos of the Indian blogger Ravish Kumar channel. The Indian youth is in miserable condition and most Indians, given a chance, would bolt out of that 'democracy'.

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When people talk about Pakistan as if it’s a normal democracy, they conveniently ignore the basic truth: opposition leaders, MNAs, MPAs, journalists, and activists are not safe. They can be abducted, tortured, silenced, and their families harassed and everyone inside the country knows this. Pretending otherwise is an insult to those who have paid the price for simply speaking.

Pakistan’s youth have no meaningful rights. They are told to stay quiet, obey, and accept a system that treats them as disposable. Laws are created to keep them quiet. The country functions like a controlled space where the public is taxed aggressively, denied services, and pushed out of the country, only to have their remittances used as the backbone of the economy. That’s not development; that’s dependency disguised as policy.

And let’s be clear, I don’t separate the so‑called ‘Establishment’ from the ‘State’ or the ‘Nation.’ They are intertwined. The same machinery that controls politics also shapes the economy, the media, and the narrative. You cannot blame one without acknowledging the other.

As for India, pointing to their problems doesn’t erase ours. Yes, Indian youth face serious challenges, unemployment, inequality, and political pressure and journalists like Ravish Kumar highlight those issues with courage. But using India’s flaws as a shield to hide Pakistan’s failures is intellectually dishonest. Two wrongs don’t cancel each other out.

If anything, the fact that Indian youth can openly criticize their government, protest, and hold power to account even in a flawed system shows a level of political space that Pakistani youth can only dream of. In Pakistan, even peaceful dissent is treated like a crime.

So no, I won’t accept the lazy argument that ‘India is worse, so Pakistan is fine.’ Pakistan’s crisis is home‑grown, decades of political engineering, suppression of dissent, and an economy built on extracting from citizens while offering them nothing in return. Until we confront that reality, comparing ourselves to others is just a distraction.
 
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Would creating new provinces make it better?
I highly doubt that
All the electable, fuedals, tribal leaders, dacoit and all sorts of unsavory characters in Punjab mostly belong to the regions who'll be separated from rest of the Punjab with the creation of new provinces
Within these new provinces these unsavory characters will have ALL the power with no power sharing or accountability to do whatever they want

It's bad now but it'll only get worse with new provinces

Unless If you kill them all and do land reforms or bring back bhawalpur state type monarchy who'll actually gives a shit

It'll only make South worse off in the long run imo.

I'm much more in favor of a potohar-hazara merger province (if ajk wasn't such a politically sensitive issue than add them into the mix too) than I'm for South punjab province.
Because I think they might just be better off on their own.
Okay, then why not eliminate the provinces and run the state as a one unit? Clearly this model has not worked and has only allowed a few families to become entrenched into power structures while these same families are also the criminal mafias. You propose to leave them and their political structures intact as is, the question is, why? It is a standard practice to break down a problem into smaller chuncks to solve it. This is exactly the idea the primary and secondary schools teach and entrench into children in the West to teach problem solving. Yet you are suggesting combining various regions to merge them into a bigger administrative region? That has no logic to it.

There is already a defacto monarchy in Pakistan but lucky for us these bastards are about 40 years late to the game.

Most countries divide provinces as the populations grow or as needed.

The mafias are deeply entrenched. In order to break these mafias, break their turfs. The PMLN goons will not have a single chain of command being directed out of London through Lahore. The PPPP does not have the energy to fight a political battle. The stress of having to deal with a new political structure will likely kill Zardari. Once Zardari is dead the PPP will eat Bilawal for lunch.

Only the military can kill them all off, but they seem to be busy with other things.

Anyways, making smaller provinces means more sense, it might even reinvigorate the spirit of the people and they may feel recharged with their new administrative identities.
 
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national unity

Is national unity a coercive for8by nature?
Logically those enthroned do not voluntarily abdicate or prop up rivals of equal heft. But people do need seek and want autonomy... not everyone shares the same goals or understands the demands of the universe equally or unanimously. The default therefore becomes to color everyone in the same shade... those better off will always accuse ones without for their acumen, urge and eagerness to achieve, vision or discipline... but be perfectly fine with having the boat remain as is... under the same regime... hapless and hopeless.

Split...
Ideally should be based on, yet arbitrary but, a set number of people of shared backgrounds. To efficiently run their own affairs with... level up! As those in limited spaces will generate more economic activity by default.. underwriting those in vast lands with limited resource, and limited output.
It is reciprocity of culture and trade weighed on a fair scale... steeped in values and faith. Lines on the sand are imaginary one on the hearts are real... when neighbors do not talk to each other because of their background, language, origin or faith... they share nothing... have no common cause.
Europe devised draconian lawfare and horrendous warfare to achieve an uneasy peace that constantly needs reinforcement in the form of mass manipulation, distractions... scapegoating...etc.
 
Actually, many factors apply depending on the region. For example, Pakistan was split into two parts when multiple provinces were merged into 2 units (East Pakistan and West Pakistan), and East Pakistan became the independent country of Bangladesh.

So in this example, merging provinces didn't lead to unity. The reason Pakistanis want more provinces is so that resources are not spent in one particular area or large city, and there is more distribution of resources. For example, as per this news, 58% of Punjab's development budget was spent in Lahore in 2016


and Punjab has a population of 130 million, Lahore maybe 20 million.
Is national unity a coercive for8by nature?
Logically those enthroned do not voluntarily abdicate or prop up rivals of equal heft. But people do need seek and want autonomy... not everyone shares the same goals or understands the demands of the universe equally or unanimously. The default therefore becomes to color everyone in the same shade... those better off will always accuse ones without for their acumen, urge and eagerness to achieve, vision or discipline... but be perfectly fine with having the boat remain as is... under the same regime... hapless and hopeless.

Split...
Ideally should be based on, yet arbitrary but, a set number of people of shared backgrounds. To efficiently run their own affairs with... level up! As those in limited spaces will generate more economic activity by default.. underwriting those in vast lands with limited resource, and limited output.
It is reciprocity of culture and trade weighed on a fair scale... steeped in values and faith. Lines on the sand are imaginary one on the hearts are real... when neighbors do not talk to each other because of their background, language, origin or faith... they share nothing... have no common cause.
Europe devised draconian lawfare and horrendous warfare to achieve an uneasy peace that constantly needs reinforcement in the form of mass manipulation, distractions... scapegoating...etc.
Game theory, organizational behavior, management science, economics... whatever name you choose to give it—there exists within these fields a classic, timeless paradox: Organizational security trumps all else!

Let me offer a modern, ubiquitous, and politically neutral example:
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You are a manager at a certain company. Due to business imperatives, senior management decides to dispatch you to a specific African nation to spearhead market expansion. The market in question is exceptionally lean; consequently, the company cannot spare additional personnel to assist you, requiring you to venture there alone. However, the company does provide you with ample capital for market development as well as a generous personal compensation package.

Upon your arrival, you discover that the difficulty of cracking this market is immense. Nevertheless, motivated by the lucrative remuneration and substantial financial backing, you work tirelessly, and before long, your efforts yield significant results.

Driven by operational necessity, you submit a request to headquarters for technical personnel to be permanently stationed locally to provide technical support. Headquarters deems this request entirely reasonable and essential. Consequently, they dispatch a team to establish a technical department within your branch office. Subsequently, this technical department expands continuously and begins recruiting local staff.

Under your leadership, the branch office experiences explosive growth, with its performance and revenue soaring to new heights. Before long, plans to establish a local manufacturing facility begin to take shape.
Later still, plans to set up a local R&D center also emerge.
—This trajectory aligns perfectly with modern business logic.

However, no one realizes that this African branch office has quietly achieved complete operational self-sufficiency—a "closed loop" within the industrial chain.

As the founder and de facto head of this African branch, you wield absolute authority over its operations. You gradually come to realize that you appear capable of handling every aspect of the business—every single operational detail—without any reliance on the corporate headquarters. Consequently, your leverage in negotiations with headquarters grows increasingly formidable. Occasionally, you find yourself feeling that the returns you receive are disproportionate to the effort you expend. The branch remits massive profits to the corporate group headquarters annually—profits that are entirely the fruit of your own labor—yet you receive only a meager, utterly disproportionate share of the rewards... Gradually, subtle shifts begin to take place in the dynamics of the relationship.

Ultimately, the situation tends to evolve in one of two directions:
1. You sign an agreement with headquarters to acquire a brand licensing agreement for a nominal, fixed fee. Under this arrangement, headquarters refrains from interfering in any other operational matters and forfeits any share of the profits. —The branch remains nominally part of the parent company, yet is functionally independent in every respect.
2. Negotiations with headquarters break down. You depart, taking with you your entire client base and every core member of the branch's staff, to establish a new, independent company and continue conducting business on your own terms. Dual Independence: In Name and In Fact.
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In many large, well-regulated enterprises, a comprehensive oversight framework exists specifically to address issues of this nature.

However, the unintended consequence of this very system is that it actually hinders business operations and creates unnecessary complications and obstacles for management.

This constitutes the paradox of development versus security. Astute politicians and managers strive to maintain a dynamic equilibrium between these two competing forces; likewise, savvy subordinates engage in a similar balancing act.

This represents the inherent interplay—or strategic game—between superiors and subordinates within an organizational structure. Fundamentally, the subject under discussion here mirrors precisely this dynamic: the strategic interplay between Pakistan's central government and its local governments.
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The entire world requires plastic trash bags. The fundamental source of plastic trash bags lies in petroleum. From the perspective of the most rigorous commercial logic, establishing the entire intermediate supply chain directly at the source of oil production—manufacturing the final product, plastic trash bags, on-site, and then selling them directly to markets across the globe—represents the most economical and efficient approach.

In reality, however, no country, corporation, or organization has adopted this most economical and efficient solution.
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I sincerely apologize! Since directly delving into political issues would be highly sensitive, I am compelled to express myself in this indirect manner.
 
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A strong defense is impossible without a strong economy. Pakistan’s current economic reality cannot sustain mega‑projects, long‑term military modernization, or strategic autonomy. The country is now financially dependent on Saudi Arabia for short‑term relief, while the UAE has strategically shifted its economic and geopolitical alignment toward India and Israel, leaving Pakistan with fewer reliable partners. Meanwhile, Pakistan continues to borrow from China at high interest rates, adding long‑term fiscal pressure to an already fragile system.

If Pakistan wants real sovereignty, real security, and real leverage, the first national priority must be rebuilding the economy, no shortcuts, no illusions, no cosmetic reforms. Without economic strength, every defense ambition becomes a loan, every foreign policy decision becomes a compromise, and every crisis becomes a national vulnerability.

Pakistan must also pass structural laws to separate Karachi, Gwadar, and other coastal economic corridors from provincial control and bring them under a federal metropolitan authority. These cities are national assets, not provincial bargaining chips. Their ports, trade routes, and industrial zones are too strategically important to be trapped in provincial politics.

Alongside federalization of coastal zones, Pakistan must build a strong, empowered, directly‑elected local government system. Real development does not come from chief ministers or federal ministries, it comes from mayors, city councils, and local institutions that can plan, tax, build, and deliver services without political interference.

Economic revival, federal control of strategic coastal cities, and empowered local governments are not optional reforms, they are the foundation of Pakistan’s survival in the 21st century.
 

Demand for New Provinces in Pakistan Grows Stronger | Administrative Reform Debate | Fawad Chaudhry

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Or turn every division into a province... existing divisional set will make the transformation much easier
Great idea but call them Punjab province 1 2 3 4 5 etc and KPK province 1 2 3 4, or North South etc to keep the political parties and people happy. The issue is what about the provisional assemblies, their powers etc, taking away their power and giving it to federal will invite major backlash. It would be great if each province has own CM directly elected, Mayors elected to make sure service is improved.
 
if army truly wants it to pass
then it will pass
Political parties and nationalists are not as weak as we believe. Even Gen Musharraf used to talk about more provinces and devolved power but it never happened due to strong opposition. You cannot force changes, the people need to change and demand it aswell. We already experienced what happened with one unit state.
 
The core issue revolves around the 18th Amendment. No matter how many new provinces are created, governance and economic performance will not improve on their own. Provinces are primarily political entities, whereas the 34 Economic Zone model is built around functional and administrative efficiency.

Under this model, each zone operates like a mini-Singapore-style economic authority, focused on execution rather than politics:
  • A professional CEO instead of political leadership
  • 5–7 technical directors managing specialized sectors
  • Fully digital registries
  • One-window approval systems
  • GIS-based land management
  • AI-driven compliance and monitoring
  • Zero cash handling
  • Zero manual paperwork
This framework is the complete opposite of traditional provincial bureaucracy.

Pakistan’s establishment is so deeply entrenched that anyone who challenges its authority is immediately crushed. Expecting meaningful reform under this structure is unrealistic, the youth simply don’t have the institutional space or political freedom that India’s youth currently enjoy.

Let’s be honest, neither the establishment nor the government has any real appetite for reform. Their power depends on maintaining the status quo. But the era of unconditional bailouts is ending. China and Saudi Arabia are no longer willing to hand out free money without structural changes. Sooner or later, Pakistan will be forced to confront reforms, not because the ruling elite wants them, but because external partners will demand them.
Sounds good but unrealistic. You want federal appointed technocrats to rule the provinces, make all decisions. It sounds great but also a disaster aswell, they will loot 100x more, unfortunately this is one reason locals oppose federal government interference in provinces, when someone from karachi rules Islamabad he/she will loot 100x more and vice versa. The people want local rule and rights, they want local police and system, its still bad but not worse than someone you don't know ruling over you.
 
I will welcome if more provinces are formed.

We definitely need more provinces for better management of affairs
division of provinces alone wont help much. At the end of the day it's all about intent and managment.
Also the devsion should have some historical base ( language, ethnicity, old princely states etc). Some shared emotions always help in binding the people..
 
Sounds good but unrealistic. You want federal appointed technocrats to rule the provinces, make all decisions. It sounds great but also a disaster aswell, they will loot 100x more, unfortunately this is one reason locals oppose federal government interference in provinces, when someone from karachi rules Islamabad he/she will loot 100x more and vice versa. The people want local rule and rights, they want local police and system, its still bad but not worse than someone you don't know ruling over you.

I understand why people worry about federal overreach. Pakistan’s history is full of examples where outsiders from Islamabad were pushed into local areas, and every one of those experiments ended badly. But that fear doesn’t really apply here, because the model being proposed is doing something very different.

To start, the structure itself needs to be understood properly. This is not an attempt to rewrite the provincial system, and it does not interfere with provincial rights. It functions as a second tier of governance built around 34 Economic Zones. The idea is to move away from centralized political decision‑making and toward localized, tightly focused economic management. No one is sending a bureaucrat from Islamabad to run a province. Instead, each zone is managed by professionals who understand the economic cluster they are responsible for.

Technocrats in this system are not rulers appointed from above. They are managers hired to run specific systems. Think of how a hospital brings in a trained administrator rather than a politician to run daily operations. Local zones need that same level of technical competence.

Real decentralization only works when local institutions are strong and professionally run. Local police, digital land registries, and municipal systems must be insulated from political families who traditionally hijack local governance.

The fear of corruption is justified. Pakistan’s current political structure is built on loopholes and personal networks. That is exactly why this model relies on digitized, automated systems that reduce human discretion as much as possible.

Consider how this plays out in different zones.

In agricultural or textile regions like Faisalabad or Multan, farmers should not have to chase politicians for water access or subsidies. A digital allocation system can handle that. Industrial approvals follow a strict, automated 30‑day timeline. If an official tries to delay a file to extract a bribe, the system flags it and routes around them.

In mining regions like Chaghi or Mohmand, lease records and mineral rights belong on a transparent digital registry. When everything is visible, no one can quietly rewrite a lease or grab land. The local community’s share of royalties becomes a rule rather than a favor.

In industrial or port zones like Karachi or Gwadar, logistics experts should be running operations. Automated customs, warehousing permits, and utility connections mean a business owner does not need political connections to function.

This is the difference between a system built around powerful individuals and a system built around transparent rules. Without professional structures, “local rule” simply becomes “local corruption.”

You are right that federal outsiders cannot run provinces. People reject that immediately. But this model is not about federal control. It is about fixing local governance so that locals actually have power, and that power is exercised through professional systems rather than political favoritism.

To break the cycle we are stuck in, the old provincial boundaries have to be dismantled. Power must flow directly to the 34 Economic Zones. Once that happens, the administrative hierarchy flattens. There is no chief minister’s secretariat sitting on billions, and no provincial assembly burning money on helicopters, foreign trips, or perks for friends and relatives.

The new structure works through three layers: the Zone, the City, and the District.

Zone Management functions as a regulatory hub. It is not a political government. It is a small, technical board responsible for economic policy, infrastructure pipelines, and system integrity. It tailors trade and investment rules to the zone’s strengths. It runs the automated 30‑day industrial setup system. It maintains the digital land registry. It oversees highways, freight rail, ports, and the power grid.

City Management becomes the engine of urban growth. Cities are run by municipal administrators rather than political mayors. Their job is to manage density, utilities, and human capital. Local police are recruited locally and evaluated through digital performance systems. Utilities are automated. Zoning, transit, and vertical housing follow professional planning. Cities retain a share of their own revenue to fund their own development.

District Management handles the rural and resource‑driven side of the economy. It manages feeder roads, farm‑to‑market routes, and mine‑to‑rail logistics. It oversees grain silos, cold storage, and mineral processing hubs. It protects rural supply routes and land rights. It runs basic healthcare, vocational training, and primary education.

This is how corruption collapses. Under the old system, districts begged provinces for money, and most of it disappeared into political kickbacks. In the new model, the Zone sets the rules, and Cities and Districts execute them through automated systems. If someone tries to delay a project or demand a bribe, the system escalates it automatically.

Revenue collection follows the same principle. There are no exceptions and no favorites. Every individual and business pays taxes. Everything is digitized. Nothing depends on personal discretion. The money stays inside the zone and funds the infrastructure that keeps the zone running.

This brings us to the question of military taxation.

If Article 25 means anything, it must mean that no institution, including the Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines, or Coast Guard, stands above income tax. Military personnel should pay income tax on their salaries unless they are deployed in a formally declared combat zone.

A combat zone, in simple terms, is a place where soldiers are actually in danger. It is where they face enemy fire, direct combat, or frontline operations. If bullets are flying and lives are at risk, it is a combat zone. If troops are stationed abroad in peaceful bases, it is not.

The entire purpose of this model is to build a system where rules matter more than personalities, where local governance is professional rather than political, and where no institution, civilian or military, is exempt from the standards everyone else must follow.
 
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Great idea but call them Punjab province 1 2 3 4 5 etc and KPK province 1 2 3 4, or North South etc to keep the political parties and people happy. The issue is what about the provisional assemblies, their powers etc, taking away their power and giving it to federal will invite major backlash. It would be great if each province has own CM directly elected, Mayors elected to make sure service is improved.


The upcoming president of Pakistan want all of powers to himself.
 
if army truly wants it to pass
then it will pass
By this same token, this truly means Army has deliberately let Karachi get destroyed by it's A team of Zardari daku and PPP thugs...if Army really wanted to protect Karachi and bring it to its full economic potential, then it would have happend.

Thank you for confirming this lingering suspicion for the rest of us...
 
More provinces are disastrous idea, especially if it mean dividing punjab. Pakistan function because of 55% of country is relatively lawfull and peaceful. Divide punjab and now you have 75% of country in utter ruin and lawlessness as south punjab will become mini Sindh/Balochistan.

More areas need to merge with Punjab for better development.
Karachi's two largest industrial zones SITE and Korangi span 18,100 acres and house 6,400 factories. Their combined economic output as well as revenue/tax dwarf all of Punjab's puny 100 acres industrial estates/revenue. Come back when people in Punjab stop free loading on rest of Pakistan's especially Karachi's lunch and not have the chokidars of GHQ Pindi commision death, destruction and misrey on Karachi through it's biggest proxy of PPP/Zardari.
 

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