POST WAR assessment of recent conflict.

[najamiqbal]

@hussain0216

Brother Hussain,

We must fund education and healthcare but the military is VITAL and we must plug any gaps to defend the country

This is the class butter vs guns dilemma that economists keep talking about. Given the state of Pak economy, I don't see it getting resolved easily. The only way out is PRC if hands out a blank cheque in form of hard cash and supplies. This is well within the realms of possibility.

Regards

It’s amusing how every Indian "expert" thinks they’ve solved Pakistan’s economy like it’s a Bollywood script — dramatic, overly simplified, and entirely disconnected from regional dynamics.


Pakistan’s defense spending hasn’t historically depended on "blank cheques." It’s called strategic prioritization. Despite limited resources, Pakistan has developed nuclear deterrence, maintained air parity, and sustained its armed forces without needing a $65 billion military budget like India — which still can’t intercept low-flying balloons half the time.


India’s economy may be bigger, but Pakistan’s doctrine has never been about matching rupee-for-rupee. It's about credible deterrence, precision retaliation, and regional alliances — and judging by the 2025 ceasefire, it seems to be working.


Instead of worrying about Pakistan’s "cash," perhaps start asking why a country with so many satellites, drones, and S-400s keeps getting pulled into negotiations — after the damage is already done.

 

[najamiqbal]

India gained around $1.3 trillion since then.

1.3 trillion gain? Bhai, that’s not growth — that’s inflation dressed in a sherwani. Your rupee has devalued faster than a Flipkart sale item. While Pakistan was neutralizing jets and disabling bases, India was hiking onion prices to NASA levels.


And as for 'dragged to divert attention' — you mean like how you dragged Bollywood into every military failure to keep your masses distracted? Remind me again: was it before or after your Rafales went into permanent stealth mode over Punjab?

 

[najamiqbal]

@Pakistan Space Agency

PSA sb,

We just have to wait for the Nominal GDP to be around $700-$800 billion when Pakistan will be able to persuade the Arabs into listening to Pakistan.

The current GDP is about USD 400 billion and growing at 2.5% p.a. At this rate it will need 28 years for you to reach USD 800 billion. So, we can look fwd to Iranian gas in 2053 or thereabouts.

Regards

• GDP ≠ Diplomatic Influence
  Pakistan’s leverage in the Gulf isn’t just about GDP — it’s about strategic relevance, military cooperation, and historical alliances. Pakistan trains Gulf forces, maintains active military exchanges, and provides boots-on-ground support when required (see: Saudi Arabia and UAE deployments). You don’t measure that with a calculator.
• India’s Nominal GDP Surge?
  India’s $3.7T GDP is real — but so is its 40% youth unemployment, crumbling infrastructure in many states, and record-high debt levels. A growing GDP with a weak rupee and ballooning inequality isn’t exactly a flex.
• Energy Dependence Check
  India imports over 85% of its oil and 50%+ of its gas — from the same Arab nations you're mocking Pakistan for engaging with. Pakistan negotiating for gas in 2053? Maybe. But India still hasn't finalized its Iran gas pipeline after two decades of “talks.”
• Soft Power > Size
  Pakistan's influence comes from its strategic geography, nuclear deterrence, and diplomatic maneuvering — not raw GDP. Size isn’t everything when your neighbors are nervous about your reach.

 

[najamiqbal]

Now MAXAR releases high quality photos can I post here?

Also can I post what all missile, drones, are used.
I don't want any kind of trolls or bravado here just constrictive discussion if modorator approve then I will proceed

You're welcome to post photos — just make sure they’re sourced responsibly and come with context. But let’s not pretend MAXAR alone validates one side's entire narrative.


High-resolution images are useful — but satellite photos without ground intel are like HD selfies without a backstory. What matters is who controls the territory after the strike, not just who snapped a crater from 400 miles above.


As for missiles and drones — go ahead, list them. But maybe first check which ones are still operational after this month’s headlines. Numbers are great until reality kicks in and those same assets show up in debris fields instead of victory parades.


Just facts. No bravado. Proceed

 

[PakistanLVR]

Pakistan will not bomb any place of worship. It's against International Law and spirit of the Pakistani constitution.

What place does Pakistan's constitution and international laws have to do with an imposed war? Will you throw Pakistan's constitution to the families of those who were murdered in cold blood by a Hindu extremist regime?

Pakistan not do xzy but continue to talk tough that they will do xyz. It's not wonder the Indians do not feel any pain after these types of incidents. They are aggressive and Pakistan is reactive. It's always few steps behind from Balakot to Abrogation of 370 in Indian colonized Kashmir, current bombings of MAINLAND Pakistan. I think its precisely to people like you who form majority of the timid population along from the military from which it recruits from.

As far as Pakistanis being casted as terrorist is concerned, I think we have had more than 2 decades of experience with that phenomenon.

So instead of fighting hard against false narratives against a vicious enemy, you'd rather take a knee and let them sully Pakistan's name? Two decades of War ended in 2021. So you are saying that you have no will-power to project soft-power and hard-power? Another case of "Mitti pao?"

You just had your main province bombed near a military sight as a message but you'd rather follow "international laws" that no else follows except the fools in the Islamic world because of their timidity or vested financial interests to keep taking beatings. What happened to our self-respect?

These nutella ideas seem to be mostly from overseas Pakistanis living in western countries. It's like the Afghans who are happy advocating genocide for their own kin in Afghanistan. I honestly believe the weather is to blame for this curious phenomenon.

You're right, its us Overseas Pakistan who think this way because unlike you living in Pakistan, we seen how much the world has progress and how little things you mentioned above, countries really value? It's been this way since the early days of Islam, there is only rule of the law when you are vicious enough to aggressively defend your lands, people, and livestocks. You in Pakistan have no clue because you're still under the influence of colonialism and Jew doctrine to remove all assertiveness.

Those of us who have migrated to West have seen how much value Westerners place on dignity and self-respect, that you clearly lack.

You basically let the Indians get away with murder of innocent Pakistanis meanwhile using the Quran, the constitution as an excuse not to kill the enemy and destroy his morale and ability to wage wars. You can be the gentlemen and sees how much success and self respect you get out of it. Have you no shame that the Hindu Indian killed your women, kids, and men and walked away relatively un-scath? I do not care about their planes or some BS story about an S400 or some Indian pilot that was "captured." Fools like you continue to argue over low hanging fruits while the India keeps pushing the envelope. He not only attacked the mainland of Pakistan, but also tried to attack the nuclear command authority. I do not understand why it's so difficult for Pakistanis to adopt a stern position against a ruthless enemy.

 

[PakistanLVR]

Actually advocating for such actions alone usually results in

a) Public beating the crap out of you. We forget that while such outlandish statements may well be protected by freedom of speech in western countries, case in example Quran burning, in Pakistan the society has a built in mechanism to reject extremism. Don't trust me, try preaching this in any public square and see how humble it is to be made of flesh and blood.

b) Counter Terrorism Department eventually pays you a visit if you are resourceful enough.

I'm sorry but I do not understand a single word of what you saying. Public will beat you because you advocate striking the targets of the enemy that just struck your own? Are you okay?

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[Vikramaditya1]

1.3 trillion gain? Bhai, that’s not growth — that’s inflation dressed in a sherwani. Your rupee has devalued faster than a Flipkart sale item. While Pakistan was neutralizing jets and disabling bases, India was hiking onion prices to NASA levels.


And as for 'dragged to divert attention' — you mean like how you dragged Bollywood into every military failure to keep your masses distracted? Remind me again: was it before or after your Rafales went into permanent stealth mode over Punjab?

Our retail inflation eased to 3.15%. Rupee devalued only 2.4% a year in the last 5 years. Or 13% in 5 years. I see why the happiness index of you beat even the Chinese with this amount of hubris and copium.

 

[najamiqbal]

Our retail inflation eased to 3.15%. Rupee devalued only 2.4% a year in the last 5 years. Or 13% in 5 years. I see why the happiness index of you beat even the Chinese with this amount of hubris and copium.

Ah yes, the classic Indian cope cocktail — one part 'NASA-level onions', two parts 'Flipkart rupee math', shaken not stirred, and served with a garnish of cherry-picked stats.


Let’s break it gently: You quoted 2.4% annual rupee devaluation like it’s a badge of honor — while Pakistan’s currency is backed by bailouts, yours is backed by Bollywood PR and WhatsApp forwards.


Neutralizing jets? Bhai, your definition of victory is dropping bombs on trees and declaring 'strategic restraint' before tea time. Even your satellites couldn't locate economic logic in that '1.3 trillion gain' fairytale.


So let’s keep it real — if India's rupee was stable, Ambani wouldn’t be hoarding onions and ISRO wouldn't be sending missions just to dodge inflation on Earth.

 

[airhead]

We need better video and satellite proof of our successes. The AVM’s satellite images were frankly weak compared to how Indians dominated the meeting with at least 12 satellite images and we could only 2-3. See this strike in Brahmos base ..looks like this video just came out that we really struck gold but neither the avm nor dgispr shared any convincing proof. Also we can’t rely on social media to verify our a-a kills . There has got to be video or some other missile footage to show irrefutable evidence of a kill. We were lucky that a picture of a Rafael tailfin appeared on social media and it was so convincing that even Iaf could not find a counter to it otherwise they would have denied any a-a losses :

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[najamiqbal]

Unlikely for such a huge movement that would need nearly 2-3k points making us the Third largest in the world. We simply recuperated the losses with that $1T and grew $3B.

But I'd keep a close eye on the SIPRI data in the coming months.

We simply recuperated the losses’ — Bro, even your excuses come with financial engineering now. First, you claimed $1T gains in the middle of an airstrike panic, now it’s suddenly just a recovery? Be honest, your GDP graph is starting to look like your missile trajectories — lots of hype, very little precision.


And as for SIPRI data? Sure, keep an eye on it… right next to your disappearing forex reserves and that 85 rupee per tomato inflation graph. Just remember: charts don’t lie, but bhakts sure do."

 

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[Waterboy]

Agreed and Indian strikes did cause uncomfortable damage and that's the reason I stated in my thread waves of Baburs should have gone in after the strike at Nur Khan. The military just waited....
That being said the article says this;

.While the Indian government has not said how many went down, officials and diplomats say that at least two aircraft were lost, and most likely more.

If you can't win the air the ground will soon be lost, one of the great sayings of the Second World War.

However it's imperative now that the PAF start to look for new sites at the far end of the western border and layer up AD, after AD in front.

Most likely work on cruise missiles with non nuclear role. We need smart munitions manufacturing to lob them at indians in the future.

 

[Waterboy]

I think we missed a strategic opportunity to tesr babur or raad in a combat scenario to see how they would have faired. Indian AD shouldn't be underestimated and not using one or two babur is a startegic mistake. Atlead they should hage used it to hit a hangar or two.

Now we really don't know if our cruise missiles would have puched through indian AD.

 

[muhammed45]

Post-conflict assessment, Mashregh News Agency


Following the recent clashes between India and Pakistan, the battle between Pakistani fighter jets and weapons made in China and Indian fighter jets and weapons made in the West or Russia has attracted the attention of the world's armies and military analysts.

The course of the air war
In the early hours of May 7, 2025, the Indian Air Force took to the air dozens of its fighter jets. The Pakistani army, which had been aware of the possible Indian attack plan for days before, quickly discovered the flight formation of Indian fighter jets on the first night of the conflict and issued orders for Pakistani interceptor fighter jets to engage the Indian attack aircraft.

32 Pakistani fighter jets of the J-10 and JF-17 models take off from air bases near the border. After Indian fighter jets launch Scalp and Brahmos air launched guided missiles at targets in Pakistani territory, orders are issued for Pakistani fighter jets to engage. Pakistani fighter jets shoot down 6 Indian aircraft, including 5 fighters and a drone, by firing Chinese-made PL-15 long-range air-to-air missiles. The Pakistanis claim that no Pakistani aircraft were damaged.

The defeat of the Rafale fighter squadron caused great panic among the other Indian aircraft, and they abandoned the operation. According to Pakistani sources, only 6 Indian air-launched cruise missiles hit their targets after passing through the Pakistani army's defense barrier. Indian sources confirmed the downing of at least 3 of their fighters.

J-10 fighter jet and PL-15E missile
Pakistan's use of the Chinese PL-15 missile, carried by the Chinese JF-17 B3 fighter jet and the Pakistan Air Force's J-10CE fighter jet, explains why the Indians did not realize what had happened to their fighters. After the success of the J-10C fighter in the Indo-Pakistani war, the shares and stocks of Chengdu, the manufacturer of this fighter jet, have so far risen by more than 40%.

Rafale fighter jets
The downfall of the French-made Rafale 4++ generation fighter jets is a real disaster for the credibility of European fighters, because Rafale is the most modern European fighter in service after the American F-35. Although the Rafale is close to fifth-generation technologies, it lacks the distinctive feature of complete stealth. The biggest loser in the air battle on the night of May 7 was the French company Dassault, which had been advertising extensively for years to attract customers for its modern Rafale fighters.

India's Brahmos Missiles
In the field of India's airborne offensive weapons assets, the Brahmos missile is noteworthy, which was developed on the basis of the P-800 Onyx anti-ship missile, also known as Yakhunt. If the Brahmos missiles attack at low altitude, it is difficult to organize early warning and timely interception of carrier fighters. As a result, India can regularly break through the defense barrier and target Pakistani bases using Brahmos missiles.

Pakistan's Long Range Air Defense System (HQ-9)
According to Pakistani sources, the Indian Air Force fired a 40N6E long range air defense missile from its S-400 air defense system at Adampur Air Force Base, which was intercepted by Pakistan's Long Range Air Defense System (HQ-9) over Dinga in Gujarat. The history of the Ukraine war has shown that Ukrainian air defense systems generally have low success in intercepting S-300/400 missiles. If the above claim is true, this would be a success for the Chinese-made HQ-9 system.

Confrontation between JF-17 fighter jet and S-400 air defense system

According to the press conference of the Pakistani army (ISPR), the JF-17 fighter jet equipped with the Chinese-made CM-400AKG supersonic anti-radar missile engaged the Indian S-400 air defense system at two points and destroyed the S-400 defense system units in Adampur, India. It is said that before the clash, Pakistan had obtained the exact coordinates of the Indian S-400 air defense system positions through the Aerospace Organization and had identified its radar and other components.

Ground arena; Fatah missiles and self-propelled howitzers
On the ground, Pakistan fired Fatah guided missiles with a range of more than 140 km, an inertial navigation system (INS) and a circle of probable error (CEP) of less than 15 meters at Indian targets.

 

[muhammed45]

Post-conflict assessment, Mashregh News Agency


Following the recent clashes between India and Pakistan, the battle between Pakistani fighter jets and weapons made in China and Indian fighter jets and weapons made in the West or Russia has attracted the attention of the world's armies and military analysts.

The course of the air war
In the early hours of May 7, 2025, the Indian Air Force took to the air dozens of its fighter jets. The Pakistani army, which had been aware of the possible Indian attack plan for days before, quickly discovered the flight formation of Indian fighter jets on the first night of the conflict and issued orders for Pakistani interceptor fighter jets to engage the Indian attack aircraft.

32 Pakistani fighter jets of the J-10 and JF-17 models take off from air bases near the border. After Indian fighter jets launch Scalp and Brahmos air launched guided missiles at targets in Pakistani territory, orders are issued for Pakistani fighter jets to engage. Pakistani fighter jets shoot down 6 Indian aircraft, including 5 fighters and a drone, by firing Chinese-made PL-15 long-range air-to-air missiles. The Pakistanis claim that no Pakistani aircraft were damaged.

The defeat of the Rafale fighter squadron caused great panic among the other Indian aircraft, and they abandoned the operation. According to Pakistani sources, only 6 Indian air-launched cruise missiles hit their targets after passing through the Pakistani army's defense barrier. Indian sources confirmed the downing of at least 3 of their fighters.

J-10 fighter jet and PL-15E missile
Pakistan's use of the Chinese PL-15 missile, carried by the Chinese JF-17 B3 fighter jet and the Pakistan Air Force's J-10CE fighter jet, explains why the Indians did not realize what had happened to their fighters. After the success of the J-10C fighter in the Indo-Pakistani war, the shares and stocks of Chengdu, the manufacturer of this fighter jet, have so far risen by more than 40%.

Rafale fighter jets
The downfall of the French-made Rafale 4++ generation fighter jets is a real disaster for the credibility of European fighters, because Rafale is the most modern European fighter in service after the American F-35. Although the Rafale is close to fifth-generation technologies, it lacks the distinctive feature of complete stealth. The biggest loser in the air battle on the night of May 7 was the French company Dassault, which had been advertising extensively for years to attract customers for its modern Rafale fighters.

India's Brahmos Missiles
In the field of India's airborne offensive weapons assets, the Brahmos missile is noteworthy, which was developed on the basis of the P-800 Onyx anti-ship missile, also known as Yakhunt. If the Brahmos missiles attack at low altitude, it is difficult to organize early warning and timely interception of carrier fighters. As a result, India can regularly break through the defense barrier and target Pakistani bases using Brahmos missiles.

Pakistan's Long Range Air Defense System (HQ-9)
According to Pakistani sources, the Indian Air Force fired a 40N6E long range air defense missile from its S-400 air defense system at Adampur Air Force Base, which was intercepted by Pakistan's Long Range Air Defense System (HQ-9) over Dinga in Gujarat. The history of the Ukraine war has shown that Ukrainian air defense systems generally have low success in intercepting S-300/400 missiles. If the above claim is true, this would be a success for the Chinese-made HQ-9 system.

Confrontation between JF-17 fighter jet and S-400 air defense system

According to the press conference of the Pakistani army (ISPR), the JF-17 fighter jet equipped with the Chinese-made CM-400AKG supersonic anti-radar missile engaged the Indian S-400 air defense system at two points and destroyed the S-400 defense system units in Adampur, India. It is said that before the clash, Pakistan had obtained the exact coordinates of the Indian S-400 air defense system positions through the Aerospace Organization and had identified its radar and other components.

Ground arena; Fatah missiles and self-propelled howitzers
On the ground, Pakistan fired Fatah guided missiles with a range of more than 140 km, an inertial navigation system (INS) and a circle of probable error (CEP) of less than 15 meters at Indian targets.

This highlights two key points. First success of Pakistan's early warning radars which is most important section of preparedness for every army. Second success was for PAF's AWACS. Apparently PAF personnel succesfully integrated their European AWACS with Chinese made air defense systems and Chinese fighter jets. Its also a noteworthy success.

Its not important what you buy, its important to know and prove how you integrate your subsystems.