PTI freedom movement against Judiciary and Establishment: News, Discussion & Updates

[Cash gk]

Corps commanders has two choices
Either support Asim munir
Or
Risk relinquishing tons of power and retirement funds

They chose obviously retirement fund

No different then Myanmar they will rather burn the country down then giving up retirement funds

This end only one way..continues corruption/death of ik or country in full blown civil war like in Myanmar (which won't happen now for good or bad )
A third possibility is IK bows down and agree to hybrid regime though people will simply call him a sell off in that situation

No army stand firm without support of its people. Here clearly we are seeing people used to love Pak army they hate them more now.

 

[ziaulislam]

No army stand firm without support of its people. Here clearly we are seeing people used to love Pak army they hate them more now.

People of punjab use to..

They lost the respect (officers not foot soldiers) of sindhis bolochis and pushtoons long time ago(& recently again especially those of northern Pakistan due to war of terror)

 

[Cash gk]

These are good statements for public consumption but not very practical under the current circumstances.

There is a strong evidence of PTIs involvement in May 9th. We cannot deny it. The Army took action by firing some of their officers and seeking justice from civilian court. Asim Munir will unlikely mend relationship with Imran Khan after this incidence and it means we will need to wait until Asim Munir retires.

It will be very awkward situation if Imran Khan becomes the Prime Minister again and the same military establishment has to listen to him again. They will unlikely follow his instructions. It is also true for Imran Khan who will be shy to give any orders to military fearing a backlash and hence it means he will only be a puppet or else won’t get the leadership.

We also have a test case in 1990s when Nawaz Sharif had an awkward situation with the military establishment in both 1993 and then in 1999. It didn’t go too well on both occasions and it is likely that Imran khan will have a similar problem again with the military if he is offered the post of the Prime Minister on the plate.

These are complex matters and both PTI and military will need to resolve and the trust factor is missing and will take years to fill that gap.

My personal opinion, feel free to disagree

General retired asim is general of Pakistan not a private mafia he has to accept authority of Pakistaní nation and Pakistani nation voted imran khan and gave their decision and power to Imran Khan. There’s nothing personal in it if it does not accept the will of people he must be punished and hanged breaking oath As general of Pakistan army makes him traitor to the nation

 

[Mr X]

General retired asim is general of Pakistan not a private mafia he has to accept authority of Pakistaní nation and Pakistani nation voted imran khan and gave their decision and power to Imran Khan. There’s nothing personal in it if it does not accept the will of people he must be punished and hanged breaking oath As general of Pakistan army makes him traitor to the nationView attachment 39766

This screenshot is a complete nonsense. Even PTI doesn’t mention these numbers, it’s highly inflated and incorrect numbers

Back to topic as I am done in this thread

 

[SaadH]

if you look at Asim Munir's intellectual capacity then anything can be expected. Just compare this duffer to Kiyani and you'll see the difference.

And Kiani was as duffer as they come...goes to show now the lowest IQs rise to the top amongst the jamedars.

 

[Respect4Respect]

And Kiani was as duffer as they come...goes to show now the lowest IQs rise to the top amongst the jamedars.

exactly bro but Kayani seems like Aristotle compared to Muneera tbh

 

[Khansaheeb]

Why Imran Khan will be murdered in Jail:-

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[PakFactor]

Thanks to antics by IK and the involvement of his wife in a spiritual clan, nothing bad will ever happen to the so called term "establishment".

Remember the words I used in last forum- Fajr ki namaz for PA etc, when especially out of all people Jango made fun of me without knowing that members of Bushra Bibi linked Maneka family had prayed these words for PA. Since Bushra Bibi is related to the spiritual bloodline and has affiliation with Baba Fareed and not only that but one respectful kiss of IK at shrine made him PM of Pakistan, as guided by his wife - there is a bigger can of worms that opened up.

Mark my words - Pakistan Military is protected by duas/prayers of pious people on duty scattered around Pakistan. Don't believe me ? Go ask Bushra Bibi. The dilemma she faced and put her family in. I haven't yet talked about the Diwans and the Chishti silsila related to Baba Fareed Shrine and followers.

Do you know about life of Mian Muhammad Maneka and his affiliation with spirituality and humanity ? Maybe get to know Shah Mehmood Qureshi and what he knows about spirituality and shrines.

Maneka family themselves know the dervishes of spiritual world deputed on spiritual duties to protect Pakistan and the security apparatus of Pakistan including Army. SMQ also knows, he is caretaker of a shrine too. Be like Jango and make fun of me, but then go ask Maneka family and Bushra Bibi who have beliefs in these spiritual concepts. They know about the Qutb on duty who makes prayers for Pakistan Army day and night, because according to them, the Qutb was chosen from Bushra Bibi family, their own family, not to mention even Abdaals related to spirituality who have duties.

You were making your point well until you started this Qutb and saint nonsense. It's complete rubbish and has no value. There are no prayers made by a make-believe saint staying up all night. Even those fruitloop stories we've heard from our elders have no sound basis for example how, in the 1965 war, a saint was grabbing bombs being dropped by the Indian Air Force and throwing them into rivers.

Sadly, these nonsensical stories prop up too often in Islamic communities distort religion and need to be countered.

I'm sure the Palestinians have told their children these stories of how a saint will save them and how he's working overtime praying and making war plans with God. Now it looks like they are being turned into Tikka Botis by the Israelis, and what land can be more holy than that?

So, stick with the facts and not fairy tales.

 

[Cash gk]

This screenshot is a complete nonsense. Even PTI doesn’t mention these numbers, it’s highly inflated and incorrect numbers

Back to topic as I am done in this thread

Buddy close the eyes cat will go away..

 

[Cash gk]

And Kiani was as duffer as they come...goes to show now the lowest IQs rise to the top amongst the jamedars.

Remember my post when I watched two dgs press conference against Imran my first remark was. How low the level gon down that these people reach to top..

 

[Awwad]

Most pak
Wrong
Asim munir holds no power, he has no corps under his command his power lies with his lieutenants the corps commanders

What ever decision happen happen with consensus..the whole lot has to agree

The day more then 50% corps commanders disagree the day the get rid of the chief be it Zia up haq mushi

Absolutely WRONG!. Army isn't a democracy. It works on chain of command. This concept is wrong that everything happens in Army is with consensus. There is an anxiety within military that how repute & respect of army is ruined by Asim's policy, but everyone fears for themselves. They cannot dare to challenge a ruthless commander. Who knows, he put an opposing voice under treason charge. When corp commanders know that Asim munir is kind of psychocase and has spoken his mindset in every occasion and has gone at extreme lengths against a political party and its leader.

BTW, He even didn't spare his own corp commanders, first lahore CC and then Mangla. (There can be others too in every rank). So do you really think that a Corp commander will put their neck in the line by speaking against his mindset. Yes, they can speak but they will have to forfeit their career which is not an easy thing to do. So even if more than 80% are considering COAS as destructive for the army itself & the nation, they'll never dare to discuss their thinking with any of their colleagues let alone at the face of COAS. They won't discuss with their colleagues in secret meetings because they know they will be charged with treason and ISI is especially monitoring the top generals. That's the sole reason, Asim keeps his most trusted people at most powerful positions. If he has confidence on all Generals equally that all are onboard then what was the purpose of giving General Nadeem an extension. Do you think other Generals are happy on select few getting extensions??

But the way things are going, the way army is being mocked because of asim's policy and the way army has lost its credibility and any of the respect, people within have to show courage & guts and devise a strategy. They know, he'll get another extension and so on. Its a curse for life. Its essential for their own institution. Not everyone is okay to live under hatred of the nation. However chances of something like that are very low. Given the perks & privileges they enjoy, its difficult that few Generals will go at such lengths for the country while risking everything.

 

[Mr X]

Buddy close the eyes cat will go away..

PTI after adding their neighbours seats and hypothetical scenarios claimed that they won 180 NA seats and your screenshot takes it to 228

I only believe claims with credible sources and not randomly generated screenshots. I could design better screenshots if I was running a fake campaign but I would never do that.

 

[prothought]

Absolutely WRONG!. Army isn't a democracy. It works on chain of command. This concept is wrong that everything happens in Army is with consensus. There is an anxiety within military that how repute & respect of army is ruined by Asim's policy, but everyone fears for themselves. They cannot dare to challenge a ruthless commander. Who knows, he put an opposing voice under treason charge. When corp commanders know that Asim munir is kind of psychocase and has spoken his mindset in every occasion and has gone at extreme lengths against a political party and its leader.

BTW, He even didn't spare his own corp commanders, first lahore CC and then Mangla. (There can be others too in every rank). So do you really think that a Corp commander will put their neck in the line by speaking against his mindset. Yes, they can speak but they will have to forfeit their career which is not an easy thing to do. So even if more than 80% are considering COAS as destructive for the army itself & the nation, they'll never dare to discuss their thinking with any of their colleagues let alone at the face of COAS. They won't discuss with their colleagues in secret meetings because they know they will be charged with treason and ISI is especially monitoring the top generals. That's the sole reason, Asim keeps his most trusted people at most powerful positions. If he has confidence on all Generals equally that all are onboard then what was the purpose of giving General Nadeem an extension. Do you think other Generals are happy on select few getting extensions??

But the way things are going, the way army is being mocked because of asim's policy and the way army has lost its credibility and any of the respect, people within have to show courage & guts and devise a strategy. They know, he'll get another extension and so on. Its a curse for life. Its essential for their own institution. Not everyone is okay to live under hatred of the nation. However chances of something like that are very low. Given the perks & privileges they enjoy, its difficult that few Generals will go at such lengths for the country while risking everything.

Are you talking about the same Lahore CC who ordered the military security in Lahore to let 'our own people', i.e. PTI terrorists, come in on 9 May 2023 and then was found shaking and begging his 'own people' when those terrorists got him and his family and set the building on fire? I think that disgraced coward betrayed his own institution. I assume he was let off the hook cheaply. Only people of your type would support that failed commander.

 

[Awwad]

Are you talking about the same Lahore CC who ordered the military security in Lahore to let 'our own people', i.e. PTI terrorists, come in on 9 May 2023 and then was found shaking and begging his 'own people' when those terrorists got him and his family and set the building on fire? I think that disgraced coward betrayed his own institution. I assume he was let off the hook cheaply. Only people of your type would support that failed commander.

Who told you that he said let our own people come?? No proof for that. Yes he didn't ordered to shoot down people which perhaps saved many lives. A human life is gazillion times more precious than Buildings and statues and concrete. Nowhere on earth unarmed protestors are called 'terrorists'. If you arrest nation's biggest leader then ofcourse any nation will be provoked, people will vent out their anger. Especially when everything is being done is against the country on foreign backed regime change and all political cases.

 

[alphapak]

This is utter nonsense

If there was going to be anything like that then the Army would have killed Nawaz Sharif upon his arrest in 1999.

Who murdered Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto? Then the world seen
what happened to Zia Ul Haq. Phapoo Munira Mistry
should take a lesson from history.

If he kills IK, then he won't survive as well.