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[Watandar]

Imran Khan's political imprisonment and declining health discussed in the UK House of Lords.

Imran Khan: Rights and welfare during his imprisonment

The former prime minister of Pakistan, Imran Khan, was arrested and imprisoned in 2023 on charges including corruption. Mr Khan has denied these charges. Concerns have been raised by Mr Khan’s family and supporters regarding his rights and welfare during his ongoing incarceration. The UK...

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UK House of Lords Discusses Imran Khan's Health and Detentio - Pakistan Today

The UK House of Lords is debating Imran Khan's detention amid serious health concerns. This discussion highlights the implications for human rights and access to justice.

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Now this is the kind of thing that can eventually be noticed by the European Commission or European Parliament and affect that prized GSP status. Not a speech by Qasim Khan in front of a UN body.

 

[flyingorca]

Yep. As expected. Slavery has been so deeply ingrained in you, there is just no hope. That's the difference, you want to salute Trump and get a "good boy" while we think Pakistans independence should mean something.

This is your definition of "diplomacy"? Bend backwards, get taken advantage of and hope overlords agree?

Also, why are you same people then complaining about gulf countries in other threads? But if I call out the hypocrisy "cult saaar!"

You really thought this was going to be your gotcha moment with your "no we are not slaves" mantra.
I hate to break it to you but super powers do not care about your feelings, they absolutely do not listen to your speeches nor do they give a f about your long independence "no we are not slaves" marches. They will get what they want from you if you are unfortunately the chosen one to do the dirty work. Again, you can not complain but only comply if you do not want to get bombed to stone age or get sanctioned and isolated back to stone age. But saaar we have nuclear weapons... you seriously want Pakistan to be whipped out over protecting your ragtag brothers? I would rather have them dead then millions of Pakistanis. This may sound cruel but it is what it is.
What you people are saying is not diplomacy, its whining. Super power do not back down from their plans because some leader is delivering fairytale speechs.
Im just trying to understand your thought process as to why US would back down from their plan for a prelong war that was planned for many many years.
Iran lost their entire leadership, even if Imran Khan is the most sincere and best of the best leader for Pakistan (which he is not) what guarantee do you have his next in line chosen leaders wont fold to US pressure like many PTI MNA did for few bucks.
Like i said, WOT was a curse for Pakistan and the only option for Pakistan was to participate in this war no matter we liked it or not.
Dont compare US current situation in Iran war (which looks very bad due to many other reasons) with 2000s.

 

[flyingorca]

Imran Khan redrew the map of Kashmir and left the border open ended. He said it was to be defined with China once it was liberated.

Imran Khan also redrew the map and staked Pakistans claim to Junagadh.

You're account is new but I know you have been born long enough to remember this.

Imran Khan also stood in Muzafarabad and said that once IOK was liberated he'd give the people of Kashmir a vote on remaining with Pakistan or independence.

This all sounds like a political speech then anything else. India did not even budge by this because they know Imrans inability to cause any harm to India's interest. Thats why they were able to pull off article 370 right on his face because all he does is deliver speeches.
I bet if he was the leader in 1947, he would be delivering speeches while India would be annexaing entire Kashmir.

 

[flyingorca]

Clarification on Kasim Khan's statement.

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Not sure why you guys are lying.

 

[flyingorca]

US empire was at its peak so it's ok to gift them 2 bases so they can f@ck you hard
and you don't even fire a bullet back. Wah fauji cult lol.

Thankfully the Iranians don't think like these sell out Fuji cult Generals. The Iranians
don't have nuclear weapons but they have self respect, something the fauji cult
can learn from.

Your post sounds like a emotionally charged rant. Actually you can read my previous response, it has answer for your ranting venting.

 

[flyingorca]

Imran Khan's political imprisonment and declining health discussed in the UK House of Lords.

Imran Khan: Rights and welfare during his imprisonment

The former prime minister of Pakistan, Imran Khan, was arrested and imprisoned in 2023 on charges including corruption. Mr Khan has denied these charges. Concerns have been raised by Mr Khan’s family and supporters regarding his rights and welfare during his ongoing incarceration. The UK...

lordslibrary.parliament.uk

UK House of Lords Discusses Imran Khan's Health and Detentio - Pakistan Today

The UK House of Lords is debating Imran Khan's detention amid serious health concerns. This discussion highlights the implications for human rights and access to justice.

www.pakistantoday.com.pk

Now this is the kind of thing that can eventually be noticed by the European Commission or European Parliament and affect that prized GSP status. Not a speech by Qasim Khan in front of a UN body.

Saar saar please help Imran Khan saar.
Since Kasim Khan is very innovent and does not know the people he was meeting or sitting next to during his speech, tell me is that Zulfi guy also a ch***a that he did not know the organizer and the participants or what was in the agenda?

 

[RealNapster]

On a serious note, im interested to know clarification from PTI followers on what Imran Khan means by resolving kashmir issue with India. Does he means India can keep IOK and we keep our and we move along? If yes then does that not mean we have come half way to India's demand? So we need to recognize IOK as integral part of India?

Musharaf came up with this idea and had things almost decided. But then things just fall apart for reasons I don't recall.

 

[pashtunkoum]

You really thought this was going to be your gotcha moment with your "no we are not slaves" mantra.
I hate to break it to you but super powers do not care about your feelings, they absolutely do not listen to your speeches nor do they give a f about your long independence "no we are not slaves" marches. They will get what they want from you if you are unfortunately the chosen one to do the dirty work. Again, you can not complain but only comply if you do not want to get bombed to stone age or get sanctioned and isolated back to stone age. But saaar we have nuclear weapons... you seriously want Pakistan to be whipped out over protecting your ragtag brothers? I would rather have them dead then millions of Pakistanis. This may sound cruel but it is what it is.
What you people are saying is not diplomacy, its whining. Super power do not back down from their plans because some leader is delivering fairytale speechs.
Im just trying to understand your thought process as to why US would back down from their plan for a prelong war that was planned for many many years.
Iran lost their entire leadership, even if Imran Khan is the most sincere and best of the best leader for Pakistan (which he is not) what guarantee do you have his next in line chosen leaders wont fold to US pressure like many PTI MNA did for few bucks.
Like i said, WOT was a curse for Pakistan and the only option for Pakistan was to participate in this war no matter we liked it or not.
Dont compare US current situation in Iran war (which looks very bad due to many other reasons) with 2000s.

Pakistan is not the only country that suffers from the imbalance of power projected by super powers. It however. Is one of the few countries that has absolutely bent over backwards for superpowers compared to others.

There were plenty of options during WOT and if you think it was truly as binary as with us or against us that is your lack of understanding geopolitics, but don’t project that on Imran Khan or his supporters.

Nations aren’t built like this.

 

[Forsvaret]

Quoting that actually proves the exact point rather than refuting it. You can dress it up in the polite PR language of human rights, but when you go to an international forum and explicitly argue that Pakistan is violating its "binding commitments under the GSP+ framework," the only functional outcome you are asking for is the suspension of that trade status.

Nope. Reminding Pakistan about its binding international commitments on human rights has absolutely NOTHING to do with "suspension" of the said treaty. And besides, why "worry" so much about losing GSP+ status if Pakistan is NOT in a breach of its international commitments?

 

[flyingorca]

Yoooooo
This is getting crazy

Was imran khan sandwiched between Goldsmith and Maxwell?
What secret society sh1t going on with our ummah leader?

So Robert Maxwell was the father of Ghislaine Maxwell aka Epstien GF and you gussed it Goldsmith was the father of Jemimah.
So has Imran Khan expressed regrets being in accompany with such people? Was Imran Khan a planted seed by the western elites to later distory Pakistan?

James Goldsmith (1933–1997) and Robert Maxwell (1923–1991) were prominent, controversial British tycoons and media figures in the 1970s and 80s, noted for their aggressive business tactics, vast wealth, and shared efforts to legally confront Private Eye magazine. They were among the most powerful financiers of their era.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Clarification on Kasim Khan's statement.

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There is no clarification, it is clear what he said explicitly, alongside the people which he said it, and at what event.

Have some shame honestly. We've got grown senior members here trying to invent fake refutations to justify them being little fanboys of grown men.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

What is telling about the Dawn fact check is how narrowly it frames the issue. It reduces everything to one technical question:

Did Kasim Khan literally say “suspend GSP+”?

Once that becomes the test, the bigger picture gets washed away.That is the narrowest possible reading of what happened, and it is exactly why the fact-check feels so evasive. The real issue is that he chose to appear at a forum specifically framed around Pakistan’s GSP+ obligations, invoked Pakistan’s alleged violation of those obligations, and used that framework to internationalize a domestic political grievance.

That matters because GSP+ is not just symbolic language about values or human rights. It is a conditional trade framework tied to compliance and scrutiny. So even if he did not literally say “revoke it,” he was still clearly trying to bring external pressure through a mechanism whose whole purpose is conditionality and consequences. Pretending that this was politically meaningless just because he avoided one exact sentence is wordplay, not analysis.

And this is also why the MAGA comparison is very valid.

These movements start treating politics as a closed emotional system where loyalty matters more than coherence, where every technicality becomes a shield for the in-group, and where grievance is constantly intensified through repetition. Once people are conditioned to believe that all institutions are illegitimate, all opponents are evil, and every escalation is morally justified, it becomes much easier for parts of the movement to normalize rhetoric that flirts with, excuses, or openly encourages violence. That is what makes this kind of politics dangerous.

At that point, the factual dispute almost becomes secondary. The deeper problem is the culture around it based on online discourse where the approved lines get repeated, the crowd rewards them, contradictions stop mattering, and more extreme rhetoric keeps getting absorbed into the movement’s moral universe. That is why the cult comparison fits, and that is why the MAGA parallel fits too. It is not just about denial or spin anymore since it is about a political identity structure that can start rationalizing increasingly reckless and dangerous behavior.

The article is a poorly generated AI piece that was likely specificially asked to produce a "refutation" hence why it is logically contradictory and to any literate person reading it, it actually proved that the entire meeting was to put Pakistan's GSP+ status in question.

The article was specifically made so cultists could have a one-stop headline to show it was "disproved"

@Watandar is intentionally disingenous and has quite literally lost every debate in here yet continues to spam it out of desparation. This is the pathetic state of the Pakistani Pahlavis.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Imran Khan redrew the map of Kashmir and left the border open ended. He said it was to be defined with China once it was liberated.

Imran Khan also redrew the map and staked Pakistans claim to Junagadh.

You're account is new but I know you have been born long enough to remember this.

Imran Khan also stood in Muzafarabad and said that once IOK was liberated he'd give the people of Kashmir a vote on remaining with Pakistan or independence.

This is all meaningless rhetoric.

You are excited by fancy speeches like little girls and believe they are material achievements when they are not.

Kashmir has always been a disputed region and conflicts have been fought over it, you are trying to pathetically attach some kind of achievement here where it doesn't exist. He did nothing special.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

This is trite. IK nor his supporters have ever wished for Pakistanis to go against the US. Pakistans economy is directly beneficial thanks to US trade and friendly relations. IK himself has said that and tried to have warm relations with Trump during his first stint.

What I’m replaying to is throwing all your self respect in the trash saluting a guy hated amongst the Muslim world for a Nobel peace prize. I mean self respect aside, this has never been an effective strategy. Bending over backwards and having no agency has not worked for Pakistan. Ever.

This “beggars can’t be choosers” horn PPP/PML N has player for years. It’s old and doesn’t reflect at all IKs views. The reality is whenever Pakistan’s leadership has bent backwards to the US there has been one common factor

It is usually a dictatorship or control of power by a sole authority much like Musharraf. They do it to keep their seat not for Pakistan. Don’t be fooled.

Dig deeper and you’ll see who really is anti Pakistan

We are very well aware IK and his party are hypocrites, while they made Trump a messiah last year hoping they would lobby him in their political favour by hiring Zionist firms, and were desparate for phone calls from the US during their tenure — it does not change the fact that Imran Khan built his entire political opposition based on fanciful ideas of opposing the US and its "saazish" with all sorts of conspiracy theories among his insecure illiterate fanbase who actually believe he is some miraculous leader of the "ummah" when no one outside of your cult base cares about him, let alone other countries.

The problem with you is that your entire perception of Khan and his politicals is built around romanticised rhetoric or cheap statements that don't translate into material achievements and his actual policies. You merely use it as talking points to pretend he's a messiah.

You hear fancy but ultimately toothless statements and get a hard on thinking its peak politics.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Nope. Reminding Pakistan about its binding international commitments on human rights has absolutely NOTHING to do with "suspension" of the said treaty. And besides, why "worry" so much about losing GSP+ status if Pakistan is NOT in a breach of its international commitments?

We have another illiterate person here pretending to be a smart-ass with his words to justify his cultish obsession for another man, even when being shown the pathetic things the cult is upto.

So they weren't putting Pakistan's GSP+ status under direct questioning at the event, they were merely "reminding" everyone. How cute is that. You hired a Zionist to do reminding at some European UN event.

Very interesting mental gynnastics by the cult.