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Do you think PTI has a future without Imran Khan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 19.6%
  • No

    Votes: 80 71.4%
  • Only if senior leadership is released

    Votes: 10 8.9%

  • Total voters
    112
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You goddamn American.

Your hypocrite Messiah Khan, after blaming Americans for his ouster for one year, have his sons begging the same Americans as the 'main hope' to rescue Messiah Khan. What a hypocrite, opportunist, lying 'Riyasat e Medina' visionary.
BTW, mind your language.
 
Your hypocrite Messiah Khan, after blaming Americans for his ouster for one year, have his sons begging the same Americans as the 'main hope' to rescue Messiah Khan. What a hypocrite, opportunist, lying 'Riyasat e Medina' visionary.
BTW, mind your language.
Aray chup kar American kay kuttay. 'Hypocrite' keh to mainay hee nahee pata or moon asay chalarahay ho jasay sab jantay ho.

Mind my language? Not for you scum. You people are the reason why things are the way they are.
 
Aray chup kar American kay kuttay. 'Hypocrite' keh to mainay hee nahee pata or moon asay chalarahay ho jasay sab jantay ho.
Mind my language? Not for you scum. You people are the reason why things are the way they are.

I can feel your pain!!! Poor Immy the Dimmy not rescued by the same Americans who the hypocrite Messiah Khan accused for his ouster for a year. Why blame the American?
Your sorrows. Your pain. So sad. So sad!! But, hey listen: Bookmark this post: The stupid Messiah Khan has dug his political grave and he ain't coming back to power for a long time, if ever!! You expats in Western countries, you Reza Shah Pehlavi Brigade in Western countries could cry and make noise as much as you want but the stupid Messiah Khan's decisions have led to his own downfall.
Poor stupid Messiah Khan!! Well, what to expect when one becomes evolution in reverse, EH?!!

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Imran inciting a mutiny in the military to regain power shows how much he shares with the likes of Mujib.

Was it not Mota Nawaja who caused a mutiny in the Army by appointing another Army
Thief whilst Mushy was coming back from Sri Lanka? We were told he committed mutiny,
treason and mega corruption. Now same family has ben dry cleaned and bought into
power by the same Army lol.

Now you have a new messiah, Zil e ilahi of faujeets Gerlun Agent Asim.
Agent Yahaya broke surrendered Pakistan in 1971 and now Agent Asim will
surrender another part.
 
When the Southern States in America seceded, the North declared a war. I am surprised as informed as you are , you discount that Mujib ur Rehman's Six Points were virtually a declaration of independence! He had a long history of traitorous behavior against the State of Pakistan. A long history. We will go offtopic if we discuss that here.

But what's important to note here is that Imran Khan and his supporters use Mujib as a veiled threat to break up Pakistan unless Imran is given the power back. Imran thowing out the NCM--which you yourself said was 'against the law' betrays his 'democratic credentials. Imran inciting a mutiny in the military to regain power shows how much he shares with the likes of Mujib.

As to your other post about giving the civilians their role: They are given in the current setup. Please don't think that Imran represents even 40% of Pakistani popular votes. Other parties have been around for a long time and they have their own entrenched vote bank. Go to the Interior Sindh: Bhutto still lives in the heart of the Sindhis and Sindh is the second largest province of Pakistan. Imran is not the sole representive of Pakistanis by a looooooong shot!

I understand that brother but alot of disagreements, fights, hatred, unfairness, brutal force allowed the Bangladeshi situation to be created. Mujiber Rehman AML did win the elections, he requested Pakistan establishment to allow the sitting of the assemblies but was refused. The real fight was between the elites of the west Pakistan v Bangladeshis who wanted more rights, power and were refused. Please just accept the reality and move on. Major mistakes were made and it lead to breakup of Pakistan, we must learn and not make the same mistakes.

Yes Mujiber Rehman did eventually became pro India, he was released by Pakistan, given flight to Delhi. He wanted provisional autonomy for the Bangalis, then demanded 2 unit federal state, West Pakistan politicians and military wanted complete control.
 
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Was it not Mota Nawaja who caused a mutiny in the Army by appointing another Army
Thief whilst Mushy was coming back from Sri Lanka? We were told he committed mutiny,
treason and mega corruption. Now same family has ben dry cleaned and bought into
power by the same Army lol.

Now you have a new messiah, Zil e ilahi of faujeets Gerlun Agent Asim.
Agent Yahaya broke surrendered Pakistan in 1971 and now Agent Asim will
surrender another part.

Nawaz Sharif did do this, this is why he was kicked out from power, exiled for 10 years, he was allowed to come back with good behaviour but again started to do similar things. His Pmln is in power now but Nawaz is not the PM. In the future we may see PTI back to power aswell, without Imran Khan.
 
Nawaz Sharif did do this, this is why he was kicked out from power, exiled for 10 years, he was allowed to come back with good behaviour but again started to do similar things. His Pmln is in power now but Nawaz is not the PM. In the future we may see PTI back to power aswell, without Imran Khan.

It all pointless they should just declare a martial law and be done with it.

Munira is already in control of everything and next year he will promote himself to
Imam Mehdi. Nobody can do anything about it.
 
Senior PTI leaders say ex-premier indicated his willingness to open channels of dialogue with military establishment
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Former prime minister Imran Khan’s erratic political stance and contradictory statements have left the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) leadership confused, frustrated, and increasingly divided over how to seek political relief for both their jailed leader and the embattled party.

According to media reports, senior PTI leaders who met Imran in Adiala jail on Tuesday said the former premier indicated his willingness to open channels of dialogue with the military establishment.

He reportedly gave a green light to the party to explore the possibility of talks with the top brass. However, he drew a clear red line, saying no negotiations should be held with the government or the ruling Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N).

Yet, in a sharp twist barely 24 hours later, Imran reportedly criticised Army Chief General Asim Munir’s elevation to field marshal. As per Imran’s sisters, who visited him in jail on Wednesday, the PTI founder sarcastically remarked that instead of becoming field marshal, Munir should have declared himself a “king”.

This latest comment has triggered a fresh wave of dismay among the PTI’s top ranks. One senior leader, speaking on condition of anonymity, questioned how the party could pursue any meaningful dialogue with the establishment when the PTI founding chairman continues to publicly mock its top leadership.

Adding to the confusion, while Imran’s sister Aleema Khan conveyed his critical remarks to the media, PTI Chairman Barrister Gohar Ali Khan had already congratulated General Munir on his elevation while talking to media persons earlier in the day.

“There’s no coherence in our approach,” admitted a frustrated PTI leader. He explained: “We’re told one thing by Imran one day, and then something completely different the next. Even his sisters, perhaps unaware of the implications, end up amplifying his emotional outbursts.”

Some senior PTI members reportedly huddled privately to discuss the fallout of Imran’s latest remarks, with several voicing concern over how to proceed when even internal consensus seems impossible under Imran’s inconsistency.

Interestingly, it has emerged that just last week, Imran had indicated willingness to allow the PTI to engage with the government following Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif’s renewed offer for dialogue.

But, the party sources said, in another U-turn during Wednesday’s meeting, Imran claimed it had been a “misunderstanding” — clarifying that he never meant for the party to talk to the PMLN-led coalition. He reaffirmed that while the door remains open for talks with the military, there won’t be any talks with the government.

“What can we do in these situations?” one PTI insider lamented. “We’re stuck. Our leader says one thing, then says he didn’t mean it. And his family’s public commentary only adds fuel to the fire.”

With Imran’s legal troubles unending and political isolation continuing, the party’s internal disarray reflects uncertainty. Whether the PTI can chart an agreed way forward, or whether Imran himself will allow it, remains the million-dollar question.


Geo TV = Indian TV = Bullshit

Khan has more compromises in fact he has doubled downed.

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It all pointless they should just declare a martial law and be done with it.

Munira is already in control of everything and next year he will promote himself to
Imam Mehdi. Nobody can do anything about it.

To me it looks like Pakistan is again working towards one unit state, the federal government/elite want to directly control everything, and give very less autonomousy to the provisional governments, they want to control all local security forces, judges, politicians, resources and the rest. This way they can decide who can come to power in the centre aswell as provisional assemblies (ie PTI finished).


The provisional parties/people work towards more local power and less federal influence.
 
I understand that brother but alot of disagreements, fights, hatred, unfairness, brutal force allowed the Bangladeshi situation to be created. Mujiber Rehman AML did win the elections, he requested Pakistan establishment to allow the sitting of the assemblies but was refused. The real fight was between the elites of the west Pakistan v Bangladeshis who wanted more rights, power and were refused. Please just accept the reality and move on. Major mistakes were made and it lead to breakup of Pakistan, we must learn and not make the same mistakes.
Balochistan is also a very similar case, the elites install their own puppets who are disconnected from the ground realities and when the puppets fail to deliver, the federation ends up taking the blame.

We tell ourselves that Balochistan isn’t East Pakistan, it’s physically connected so it can’t break away. But that’s missing the point, you can hold the land for sure but what’s the land worth if the people don’t stand with you? You win the people first and the land follows. We keep doing it backwards trying to claim the land while ignoring the people.

It’s like trying to keep a family together by force. You can lock everyone in the same house but that’s not unity, it’s control. Real families argue, they disagree but they also talk, listen and try to understand each other. That’s how you build something that lasts.
 
Because military establishment repeatedly claims to be the "sole" defender of Pakistan, without having any legitimacy to do so. As per the constitution of Pakistan, military’s sole role and duty is to defend the country’s borders. Nothing more or less. And yet, we see military establishment operating businesses, running civilian departments, meddling in politics. Why, why, why? What’s wrong with them? 🙄
Have you seen sindh and karachi? What has democratic PPP done to alleviate people's standard in sindh? When bhutto came into power in 1970, did he radically change anything, fuccck no.

The civilian elite and establishment is equally corrupt and destructive that has kept Pakistan's progress stunted. Their incompetence creates a vaccum that the military exploits. I don't think any civilian government has pushed genuine reforms ever in pakistan. Bhutto destroyed the economy through nationalisation.
 
Have you seen sindh and karachi? What has democratic PPP done…
Who the hell told you that PPP is "democratic"? Even the founder of PPP, Bhutto didn’t accept the results of general election 1970 and instead sided with then military dictator, general Yahya 🙄:
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So the judiciary itself somehow isn't already corrupted by the exact same standards that other state apparatus are held to?

You and I both know deep down that nobody with any semblance of status or infleunce in this country needs any encouragement whatsoever to indulge in asset securing activities.

It is an oversimplification and a thoroughly lazy analysis to just keep blaming "the army" for Pakistan's woes.
There are consequences to indiscretions which establish moral hazards in any society, In Pakistan's case looting, thieving, destroying, raping, pillaging, selling out, terrorizing and murdering has no moral hazards, only striving for the establishment of people's consent and mandate has devastating consequences.

The mil-establishment doesn't consider traitors, looters and wreckers of all sorts any threat to their dominance, therein lies the problem.

They'd rather burn the whole of Pakistan down, which they've consistently succeeded at, than to let a civilian representative of the people operate independently.
 
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