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Do you think PTI has a future without Imran Khan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 19.6%
  • No

    Votes: 80 71.4%
  • Only if senior leadership is released

    Votes: 10 8.9%

  • Total voters
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Thank you Professor 😊
From 1980-88 they were known as the Freedom Fighters or Mujahideen. Zia died in 1988 and BB government came into power. The Taliban were formed in 1989 as the US decided to ditch the Afghan problem on Pakistan.
Ahmed Rasheed BTW l have met at a friend's house in Karachi. A right Brown Sb.

Nothing you said contradicts what I had said? Why does it matter if Zia died in 1988 and Benazir Bhutto decided to support the Afghan Taliban faction to stabilize Afghanistan? I bet if Zia or whoever else would be in power after 1989 they would have followed the same policies as Benazir in Afghanistan. You must know what happened in Afghanistan between 1989-1996, right? The slaughter in Kabul then could only be compared with the horrible massacres like in Rwanda, Cambodia, Fallujah like massacres.
Pakistan acted to stabilize Afghanistan and that worked well until 9/11. It was not that Pakistanis were in love with the Afghan Taliban: They were a necessity then and they are a necessity even now.
 
Charter of "democracy" where people’s votes are no longer counted but imposed illegitimately through barrel of the gun to suit PDM parties?

These are the tools we have and we must learn to use them. Pakistan's polity has not seen a more lucrative slogan than roti, kapra and makaan. Even with the best of state machinery in it's most effective state couldn't pull off the Pakistan first slogan by a popular military dictator in late Pirouz Muashraff.

All parties have the same charter. People are just voting for popularity. This extremely expensive popularity contest is creating a toxic environment. Pakistan should explore the newly launched governance model by the Chinese at the SCO as an alternative to democracy. Given the Asian dynamics, it's bound to be more efficient than the current plunder of the tax revenue.
 
Thank you Professor 😊
From 1980-88 they were known as the Freedom Fighters or Mujahideen. Zia died in 1988 and BB government came into power. The Taliban were formed in 1989 as the US decided to ditch the Afghan problem on Pakistan.
Ahmed Rasheed BTW l have met at a friend's house in Karachi. A right Brown Sb.

Benazir was the Talibani Queen and her interior minister openly declared Taliban as his "sons" . So when Baitullah Mahsud was nominated in BB assassination, he was like "WTF dude"!!

These new kids on the block dont know a sh|te.
 
You forgot to put the headline of the article. :LOL:


Commentary

Terrorism in Pakistan has declined, but the underlying roots of extremism remain

Madiha Afzal

January 15, 2021


And please enlighten us where are these funky graphs of yours are heading since 10 April 2022?

Look, IK was looking for political ways to pacify the eastern front (which he very successfully did) which includes ejection of America/India and all the hostile elements from Afghanistan, while moving focus back on India. I know this for a FACT.

Terrorism only raised it ugly head when this rat Asim Muneer and his henchman managed to torpedo that peaceful resolution of eastern flanks. Why you lot fail to grasp this, its their bread and butter! India is no longer a profitable enemy.

I literally shared url of the article with you

And as per the article

"This fall is largely due to the Pakistani army’s kinetic operations against the Pakistani Taliban — also known as the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) — which had been responsible for the majority of deaths of civilians and security forces since 2007, the year it formed officially as an umbrella organization of various militant groups."

See??

The fall was due to military operations that IK opposed. IK had zero role in that fall

That is the reason I shared that graph with you which you didn't bother to check. As per the graph terrorism was in decline since 2014 when Operation zarb e azb was launched and not due to IK being PM

Terrorism raised its ugly head again when Taliban came in power in August 2021

I know you guys love IK and all that. But still it doesn't hurt to accept some facts and realities
 
Army generals have been calling TTP and Taliban "our people" for a very long time. I remember Gen Waheed Arshad using same words back late 2000s and also Musharraf. So many politicians have praised the Taliban in the National Assembly, saying the Taliban have always defended Pakistani interests. Imran Khan, a product of GHQ, will naturally say what he has been taught.

Nobody has loved and protected Taliban, whether Afgan or Pakistani, more than Generals. Even the Ops done against TTP were fake, the only genuine Ops were done in 2010 to 2014 under Kiyani and Raheel Sharif and brought peace to Pakistan. But then Bajwa and Faiz Hameed relapsed into old habits and brought back and settled many TTP from Afghanistan.
 
You must know what happened in Afghanistan between 1989-1996, right? The slaughter in Kabul then could only be compared with the horrible massacres like in Rwanda, Cambodia, Fallujah like massacres.
Same old fauji propaganda. The fight in Kabul early 90s was between Ahmed Shah Masood/Rashid Dostum and Mr Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who was at the time enjoying Pakistani patronage.

It followed the 1989 battle over Jalalabad , which Gen Hamid Gul tried to conquer via Jalaluddin Haqqani , another proxy. You cannot claim to be well wisher and stabilizer of Afghanistan when you are yourself among the biggest sponsor of warlords.

The dumb Generals then doubled down by launching Project Taliban in 1993/1994. The mega-disaster that project has been in destabilizing and wrecking not only Afghanistan but Pakistan is evidence of its foolishness.
 
I doubt it. Plus English please

I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. He's had this idiotic stance since the beginning.

Before Zarb-e-Azb he stated that we shouldn't fight TTP because we can't defeat them. As per him, he had spent some time in the Tribal Areas and knew them to be undefeatable.

When Zarb-e-Azb began, PTI stated that they did not agree with the military action but will support it.
 
I literally shared url of the article with you

And as per the article

"This fall is largely due to the Pakistani army’s kinetic operations against the Pakistani Taliban — also known as the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) — which had been responsible for the majority of deaths of civilians and security forces since 2007, the year it formed officially as an umbrella organization of various militant groups."

See??

The fall was due to military operations that IK opposed. IK had zero role in that fall

That is the reason I shared that graph with you which you didn't bother to check. As per the graph terrorism was in decline since 2014 when Operation zarb e azb was launched and not due to IK being PM

Terrorism raised its ugly head again when Taliban came in power in August 2021

I know you guys love IK and all that. But still it doesn't hurt to accept some facts and realities


Your shared the article without having the courtesy to highlight the main part, which is the curbing of terrorism in Pakistan during IK time.

From August 2018 to April 2022, supposedly under "Taliban Khan" Pakistan had the most peaceful time in living memory. Its ironic he is labled as Taliban sympathiser yet Taliban didnt took this opportunity to have a field day inside Pakistan when their "guy" was in power! You cant make this shite up!

Are you not old enough to remember cia/raw/nds days when Afghanistan was occupied? You think it was Afghan Taliban sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan back then? Make up your mind.


And no its nothing to do the Army operation against TTP, its the winding down of American/Nato operation in Afghanistan. Not a single drone strike happened during IK time neither any operation. Had IK and Trump not forged a deal keeping their respective establishment out of the picture, you would still be fighting ANA/NDS/India and what not, and complaining about the Indian consulates.

The mess we have seen since IK ouster is the very deliberate attempt by these rats in GHQ to get their milking cow WOT going. If they can suppress their own population with brute force, yet cant get hold of some rag tags hiding in mountains for years on, all I can say to you, good luck! Keep on dancing on the tunes played by the pied piper.
 
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Reality -- Afghans are now starting to really suffer due to the squeeze put on them

So the randi Rona starts to stop the country from going after our enemy


Go after them, hunt them down

From attacks on schools and busses, ño more mercy or friendship
 
Your shared the article without having the courtesy to highlight the main part, which is the curbing of terrorism in Pakistan during IK time.

From August 2018 to April 2022, supposedly under "Taliban Khan" Pakistan had the most peaceful time in living memory. Its ironic he is labled as Taliban sympathiser yet Taliban didnt took this opportunity to have a field day inside Pakistan when their "guy" was in power! You cant make this shite up!

Are you not old enough to remember cia/raw/nds days when Afghanistan was occupied? You think it was Afghan Taliban sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan back then? Make up your mind.


And no its nothing to do the Army operation against TTP, its the winding down of American/Nato operation in Afghanistan. Not a single drone strike happened during IK time neither any operation. Had IK and Trump not forged a deal keeping their respective establishment out of the picture, you would be stilling fighting ANA/NDS/India and what not, and complaining about the Indian consulates.

The mess we have seen since IK ouster is the very deliberate attempt by these rats in GHQ to get their milking cow WOT going. If they can suppress their own population with brute force, yet cant get hold of some rag tags hiding in mountains for years on, all I can say to you, good luck! Keep on dancing on the tunes played by the pied piper.

I guess political allegiance has no need for honesty or due diligence.

It was exactly the military operations that did it. Terrorist incidents/fatalities had been decreasing since 2009, after Op. Rah-e-Haq began in 2007, a good 9 years before Imran Khan became the prime minister. They had fallen from 11317 incidents in 2009 to 688 by the time he took the reigns in 2018. This decrease continued for the first year of his stint until his idiotic policies kicked in and resulted in a year over year increase starting in 2020, after having seen a continuous decrease for 10 years. TTP was seen again in areas which had been cleared for years.


The American withdrawal started in 2021.
 
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Well duh 🙄
They are both ideologically aligned. What else did you expect?

Ttp is similar ideology as Taliban but more hardcore. The Taliban are in a war with ISIS, alot of Taliban hardcore and TTP hardcore joined ISIS. If the Taliban attacks TTP then TTP will join ISIS and it will become a big threat to the Taliban, they will loose all support from tribal areas and sancturies. TTP was an ally of the Taliban for 20 years (ttp is coalition of different groups and tribal heads), they gave sanctuary to the Taliban and fought Usa and Afghan previous government.
Taliban biggest ally in Pakistan is JUIS, JUIF, JI and recently they faced attacks from ISIS due to this. Taliban itself faced many attacks from ISIS and linked groups.

Taliban itself has allies from different Afghan groups, some are moderate and some are hardcore, the hardcore ones are opposing any war with ttp on Pakistan half. The moderate ones gave fatwas that jihad is finished but ttp and even ISIS are not listening.

Can you understand how grave the situation is. Pakistan official policy is to pressurise the Taliban and win them over, this is why they attended China together for meetings on development etc. China is also encouraging taliban to stop use of its territory to wage attacks on neighbours.

Our foreign minister holding hands with the Taliban.
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Our ally China visiting Afghanistan
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JUI chief meeting Taliban head
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If IK really said that then here is what I have to say to him and those who believe TTP as their own...
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Reality -- Afghans are now starting to really suffer due to the squeeze put on them

So the randi Rona starts to stop the country from going after our enemy


Go after them, hunt them down

From attacks on schools and busses, ño more mercy or friendship

Pakistan can always increase misery on Afghan regime.

The good news is that Gandupur is establishment tattu just like Buzdar was. In fact all of PTI in KP is basically establishment tattus. Those who are not are underground.

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They blame only Imran Khan because he is a soft target, even when he is right. And also because he is brave enough to speak his mind about all pressing issues, even from a dark prison cell.

I understand Imran Khan point of view, he is western educated man, his thinking is different. What he is trying to say is we need to stop this war, pacify the militants, get the tribal people on our side, bring development, education, spread Pakistani ideology, unity, improve relations with Afghanistan government which is Taliban. Once the root causes are sorted, then we can easily finish off any remaining militants, if they survive because if they loose the religious/jihadi mentality support then they will be finished. This militants ideology is been funded in this region for 40 years, you cannot finish it so easily, we must support a counter ideology and pacify these people. Remember majority are still patriotic Pakistanis, it's probably 30% who are trouble makers due to brainwashing, propaganda done by jihadis. Slowly over the decades we will gain the upper hand.

Pakistan army position is ttp is khawarij, they are funded by Raw and we need to militarily finish them off, they have been trying for 20 years, the plan has worked to some extent but the ideology is still there and it keeps recruiting. They want to continue military operations despite the collateral damage, want the taliban to attack them in Afghanistan.

Regarding Afghanistan he is saying they fought Usa for 20 years and did not stop, do we want to make another enemy in Afghanistan or work towards bringing them on Pakistan side, through CPEC, cooperation with China. Despite what PDF members say, Pakistan is actually working towards this, the rest is just to pressurise Taliban to take on TTP. Another issue is Usa Saudia are not happy with Taliban, this is why they are not recognised but ISIS Jolani was accepted with open arms, one is a puppet and another one think of themselves as great Islamic power, taliban leader is called Amir ul Muhmineen, he is noone puppet.

This is why isis is funded and given training to fight Taliban, Taliban in return banned wahabism in Afghanistan, banned their literature, declared Hanafi fiqh as religious law with rights given to shia minority, and Saudia banned Talighi Jamaat, declared them as gate of terrorism.

What has Pakistan done to fight terrorism, extremism and their symphathisers, to fight their ideology, the literature etc. The Taliban has done more for their country than Pakistan in 20 years. Ofcourse taliban themselves are hardliners but ISIS is the daddy, true khwarij takfiri movement, funded by foreign agencies.

Now tell me who is correct. People on PDF must look at both sides and reach conclusion, rather than have a typical desi mentality.
 
We made taliban whores to please our masters… This brothel of terrorist is our own creation using our own people… never forget that…
 
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