Reports: Bajwa agreed to curtail Pakistan’s ballistic missile program

[LeGenD]

That's stupid

Pakistan not only has MIRV capable missiles, but ballistic missiles that are manoeuvrable to bypass A.D
Missiles going at Mach 15-20 which can also manoeuvre are near impossible to stop

An Iranian missile fired from Yemen last week punched through multiple Israeli A.D without being stopped, the same as when Iran launched it's attack which was mostly drones
It took multiple states to try to stop the attack and even then many missiles got through

Both Pakistan and India have experimental MiRV technology in the present. Hype material for both camps but not something that I will hype in the present.

But yes, ballistic missiles are difficult intercept because they are fast at very high altitudes and RV have a small RCS. India does not have a comprehensive BMD in place, only two Indian cities are well-protected in the present. Indians seem to develop and test different BMD interceptor variants but testing is different from deployment and integration.

Pakistan can also use cruise missiles and drones to attack Indian radar systems to reduce Indian line of sight in some places before using ballistic missiles. It is important to have a strategy. Perhaps there is some thought given to this matter.

Not even MIRV can deter India because India has the capability to neutralize missiles in their boost phase anywhere in Pakistan, along with air superiority and extensive on-ground and satellite intelligence to locate and destroy Pakistani nuclear installations. These systems will only improve as India's economy grows and research and development advance. That's why I maintain that Pakistan can never have a credible nuclear deterrence against India. In fact, even Afghanistan is not deterred by Pakistan's so-called nuclear deterrence, let alone India.
The only way to deliver nuclear weapons onto Indian territory is through a submarine-launched nuclear missile, and that too only if the submarine is nuclear-powered, has long-range capabilities, and is stealthy enough to evade detection by the Indian Navy’s submarine hunters.

And how can you do all that? How many BMD systems have you deployed and where? Let's have a look.

Or, they don't have that much intimate knowledge at the first place! I'm just trying to insinuate at some "despicable" probabilities! Once a US delegation, at the height of the WOT, was complaining that the Pak side looked so much completely lost at the discussions which were taking place that they thought the Pak intelligence had sent some dummies into that meeting! The US side couldn't figure out what the Pak side wanted for the folks had no clues...

I appreciate your sentiment but the US have a variety of methods to collect information about defenses of "any" country in the world. Pakistan is a country of limited resources and there is a limit to concealing things on the ground. The US have had sufficient time to collect information during WOT days. There is also the possibility of influencing or manipulating officers to provide information as happened to Gen Iqbal. Nevertheless, Pakistan has a well-developed nuclear infrastructure and sufficient conventional defenses to counter India. India also collects information but its capacity to attack Pakistani defenses is limited. So all is good for now.

 

[CPTPLANET]

Kargil War is the perfect example of Musharraf’s delusion that the myth of nuclear deterrence would stop India from bombing Pakistani positions and retaking the Kargil heights. In reality, Pakistan had to request U.S. intervention to protect itself from the advancing Indian military, fearing that India would escalate the conflict further.
If there had been no U.S. intervention, India would have crossed the LoC and international border, invading Pakistani territory just as it did in previous wars. India’s policy is not to use nuclear weapons against Pakistan, even if Pakistan attempts to use them, because India is confident that any such attempt can be neutralized. Additionally, India has the capability to destroy all of Pakistan’s nuclear installations.

 

[Taimoor]

They are being blackmailed into making poor foreign policy decisions. All government officials and their families must be barred from owning assets outside the country.

Been saying this for donkey years.
Even there is a brilliant officer and no question over patriotism, if there is any personal or family interest outside the borders of Pakistan, that is the liability to the state, which state cannot afford.

 

[Taimoor]

Or, they don't have that much intimate knowledge at the first place! I'm just trying to insinuate at some "despicable" probabilities! Once a US delegation, at the height of the WOT, was complaining that the Pak side looked so much completely lost at the discussions which were taking place that they thought the Pak intelligence had sent some dummies into that meeting! The US side couldn't figure out what the Pak side wanted for the folks had no clues...

Bro, they may not have intimate knowledge or even they are exposed to it, they might know what to make of it, after all these generals are not much educated. But what they could have done is to stop, scuttle or worse, reverse some programs. Father of Pakistan nukes, AQ Khan was on record that Musharraf didnt authorized development of Ghauri-3 citing Israel as the issue.
And unfortunately, their cluelessness is not by some grand design, its by default. When they removed IK they thought he had lost all the popularity!

 

[hasn2009]

Kargil War is the perfect example of Musharraf’s delusion that the myth of nuclear deterrence would stop India from bombing Pakistani positions and retaking the Kargil heights. In reality, Pakistan had to request U.S. intervention to protect itself from the advancing Indian military, fearing that India would escalate the conflict further.
If there had been no U.S. intervention, India would have crossed the LoC and international border, invading Pakistani territory just as it did in previous wars. India’s policy is not to use nuclear weapons against Pakistan, even if Pakistan attempts to use them, because India is confident that any such attempt can be neutralized. Additionally, India has the capability to destroy all of Pakistan’s nuclear installations.

Saarr! okay saar, tea is fantastic saar

 

[Pataliputra]

Saarr! okay saar, tea is fantastic saar

Just because India isn’t storming into Pakistan like it did in 1971 doesn’t mean it’s scared of some so-called ‘super-duper’ islam powered Aladin bombs of Pakistan. If needed, India would step in, accomplish its objectives, and then leave—no intention of adding Pakistan as a new state.

 

[CPTPLANET]

Just because India isn’t storming into Pakistan like it did in 1971 doesn’t mean it’s scared of some so-called ‘super-duper’ islam powered Aladin bombs of Pakistan. If needed, India would step in, accomplish its objectives, and then leave—no intention of adding Pakistan as a new state.

Answer me this Hindoo, how’s that feeling of being violated repeatedly by armies foreigners coming in, taking your best lands, women, and birthplaces of the Vedic culture, and leaving a present that birthed 9 months later in the form of a large Islamic population in mother India. I know it just burns you to speak language gifted by a people who you considered lesser, to eat the food that they left behind, and follow a culture based in islam.

This must really burn you inside. Your women were sold as slaves across the central Asian markets and your men were killed off. Your kids too were sold as eunuchs in Afghanistan. It must really burned deep within you to crawl on an enemy forum with that ridicule as* name and brag. Do not redeem sir
- hindoos to foreign invaders

 

[Bentley777]

Kargil War is the perfect example of Musharraf’s delusion that the myth of nuclear deterrence would stop India from bombing Pakistani positions and retaking the Kargil heights. In reality, Pakistan had to request U.S. intervention to protect itself from the advancing Indian military, fearing that India would escalate the conflict further.
If there had been no U.S. intervention, India would have crossed the LoC and international border, invading Pakistani territory just as it did in previous wars. India’s policy is not to use nuclear weapons against Pakistan, even if Pakistan attempts to use them, because India is confident that any such attempt can be neutralized. Additionally, India has the capability to destroy all of Pakistan’s nuclear installations.

Mike pompeo Former United States Secretary of State writes in his book that indian counter part told him in hanoi that pak is preparing for nuclear strike on india. Pompeo said give us a minute to sort us things out between you. And then he called bajwa etc. Logically pak should have reached americans first as you are saying that india can nuke pak and pak cannot. Why indians reached America first when they have such a capability that no one possess. Kid this is not bollywood movie or ***** fantasy world keep dreaming because as they say there is no tax on dreams

 

[prothought]

While the military started supporting the Zionist mole, Imran Khan, long ago before Bajwa was appointed as COAS by a brainless NS, the speed witnessed to implement this Zionist project after Bajwa became the COAS was unparalleled. The push came when the specific players were positioned at crucial positions. The interests of the enemy powers (Zionists, Indians, etc.), selfish military leadership (especially Bajwa and Faiz Hameed), and Qadianis (through Bajwa) were deeply overlapped.

All these parties played their own games while apparently supporting and cooperating with each other during the process of installing and post installation of Imran Khan as Pakistani prime minister for achieving their shared and own respective goals.

Bajwa, on his part, did everything that could tie Pakistan’s hands and put it up onto a slippery slope (while apparently pretending otherwise) for making it a meager opponent of India (don’t forget Qadian is located in Gurdaspur, India). If Sikhs can have a corridor to their sacred place in Pakistan, why not Pakistani Qadianis have a similar facility for Qadian?

Bajwa (and Faiz Hameed) kept working in support of the mole IK and its cult PTI, by using others' phones or through the use of alternate network (created by Faiz Hameed), in a clear defiance of their own institutional decision for the military to become neutral. That decision was made when the second tier of the military command realized the gravity of the looming dangers posed by installing a mole as the prime minister of Pakistan and its continued role in that position.

 

[Fasbre2]

While the military started supporting the Zionist mole, Imran Khan, long ago before Bajwa was appointed as COAS by a brainless NS, the speed witnessed to implement this Zionist project after Bajwa became the COAS was unparalleled. The push came when the specific players were positioned at crucial positions. The interests of the enemy powers (Zionists, Indians, etc.), selfish military leadership (especially Bajwa and Faiz Hameed), and Qadianis (through Bajwa) were deeply overlapped.

All these parties played their own games while apparently supporting and cooperating with each other during the process of installing and post installation of Imran Khan as Pakistani prime minister for achieving their shared and own respective goals.

Bajwa, on his part, did everything that could tie Pakistan’s hands and put it up onto a slippery slope (while apparently pretending otherwise) for making it a meager opponent of India (don’t forget Qadian is located in Gurdaspur, India). If Sikhs can have a corridor to their sacred place in Pakistan, why not Pakistani Qadianis have a similar facility for Qadian?

Bajwa (and Faiz Hameed) kept working in support of the mole IK and its cult PTI, by using others' phones or through the use of alternate network (created by Faiz Hameed), in a clear defiance of their own institutional decision for the military to become neutral. That decision was made when the second tier of the military command realized the gravity of the looming dangers posed by installing a mole as the prime minister of Pakistan and its continued role in that position.

The biggest load of horse manure you have come up with to date.. get off what you’re smoking and give it a rest…

 

[Pataliputra]

Answer me this Hindoo, how’s that feeling of being violated repeatedly by armies foreigners coming in, taking your best lands, women, and birthplaces of the Vedic culture, and leaving a present that birthed 9 months later in the form of a large Islamic population in mother India. I know it just burns you to speak language gifted by a people who you considered lesser, to eat the food that they left behind, and follow a culture based in islam.

This must really burn you inside. Your women were sold as slaves across the central Asian markets and your men were killed off. Your kids too were sold as eunuchs in Afghanistan. It must really burned deep within you to crawl on an enemy forum with that ridicule as* name and brag. Do not redeem sir
- hindoos to foreign invaders

Every country has its share of cowards, and India is no exception. What matters is that the majority chose to resist rather than surrender to Islam, unlike your father did. Thanks to our brave ancestors, India remains a predominantly non-Muslim country. Indians are grateful to those who fought to prevent India from becoming an Islamic hellhole like Pakistan and Bangladesh.

 

[Falcon26]

As the story goes, when some foreign officials, from Sandia if I remember correctly, visited Gen. Kidwai in the late 2000s, he had models of missiles on shelf’s on two of his walls, but the other two walls had empty shelfs. Asked by the visiting officials, what this means, the general alluded to Pakistan’s desire for new designs of missiles in the future.

So in the Mushraff era, the 2750 km limit was a self imposed limit, so as to stay out of having anything to do with the Middle East. That is where it should have been left. The less said on the matter the better.

Going out and making some kind of official commitment to curtail the progra is a slippery slope Bajwa should not have gone toward. Even if future missiles stay within the 2750 km limit, you will have foreigners looking in, per what ever secrecy agreement.

Besides, by now Pakistan has learned not to assume leadership on the Palestine issue, when neighboring nations aren’t willing to fight kinetically. Pakistan was India focused, primarily in a defensive stance, and Bajwa should have left well enough alone, on this issue and others as well. If true, Bajwa’s actions would undermine the credibility of deterrent and endanger the country, raising the risk India might indulge in a miscalculation.

This is making it even more necessary that the social contract between the state and the people needs to be rebuilt. secret deals and national interests sold out for what? Pakistan is in desperate need for a third republic, and economic stability to regain some semblance of independence.

General Kidwai made those claims while at an event hosted by the Carnegie Endowment. The comments can be accessed in the video below.

 

[prothought]

The biggest load of horse manure you have come up with to date.. get off what you’re smoking and give it a rest…

Mounh se jaag na nikalo. Just write a logivcal rebuttal to my post. I don't mind in any case.

 

[harpy1]

A kutta will do anything for its master.

Unfortunately Pakistanis are happy to remain subhuman ghullams of their white masters.

The world only respect strength immta