Russian stealth fighter Su-75 Checkmate gets new configuration

[silicon0000]

The same purpose using by china.

As I said, present days - it's not very necessary but still if have, than good. but in future, yes - why not when you have trillions of economy?

We don't know from where the new threats come in future.

Dear I apologise if my earlier question wasn't phrased clearly. I'm interested in your thoughts on the potential use of strategic bombers by India in a wartime scenario. Given India's lack of distant adversaries, wouldn't advanced fighter-bombers, or even their existing Su-30 fleet or use of missiles, be sufficient for their needs? Strategic bombers come with a hefty price tag, both in acquisition and operation. While India's economy is growing, resources are always finite, even for China. Don't you think those funds could be better allocated elsewhere?

Please understand, I'm not challenging your views. However, considering these points, your insights would be far more valuable than simply advocating for exciting but potentially unnecessary technology.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Dear I apologise if my earlier question wasn't phrased clearly. I'm interested in your thoughts on the potential use of strategic bombers by India in a wartime scenario. Given India's lack of distant adversaries, wouldn't advanced fighter-bombers, or even their existing Su-30 fleet or use of missiles, be sufficient for their needs? Strategic bombers come with a hefty price tag, both in acquisition and operation. While India's economy is growing, resources are always finite, even for China. Don't you think those funds could be better allocated elsewhere?

Please understand, I'm not challenging your views. However, considering these points, your insights would be far more valuable than simply advocating for exciting but potentially unnecessary technology.

Bro : Based only on the Indian Department of Defense's prior acts, this is entirely my opinion.

They desired to have a minimum of one squadron inside the strategic bomber fleet; but, this was not cost-effective. government was not ready to allocate the funds. So a cost-effective solution is focused on multi-role aircraft as of now.

For now, they mostly concentrate on Agni IV and V (Chinese standpoint), as well as the Agni series to replace the old ones,

Deep Strike - I am not a defense expert; - just a common man. Let me ask, which option will you choose? because I will choose first...

Option 1 : 1 bomber aircraft escorted by 5 fighters planes with AA missiles (10 per aircraft, approx.) - Total 6 aircafts

Option 2: 5 aircrafts with bombs, and two AA missiles(approx), 5 fighters planes with AA missiles (10 per aircraft, approx.) -Total 10 aircafts

Payload - similar payloads in tons.

 

[Yommie]

It does look nice for sure - but knowing Russia - avionics/EW systems will suck as usual ( my view ) - i do think Egypt should look at this and get into the action if it does not like the idea of Ka'an or FC-31, as a development partner and contribute techology and workshare etc.

It might not be the best but it's certainly way better than say F-22 which is decades old.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Su-75 looks better.

Not, its a crap design, J35 is far more better than Su-75 shit

 

[Pataliputra]

If Su-75 can be integrated with Indian avionics like the Su-30MKI, it would be a good option for India. I am not sure about the thrust class and engine dimensions of Su75, but if India can replace the Russian engine with an Indian engine like Kaveri or another engine after 10 years, it would be even better.

 

[Ali_Baba]

It might not be the best but it's certainly way better than say F-22 which is decades old.

F22 is the queen and will be for a long time- in its role it still outclasses the F-35! And the F22 is an absolute beaut.

 

[Yommie]

F22 is the queen and will be for a long time- in its role it still outclasses the F-35! And the F22 is an absolute beaut.

Yikes no. F-22 is hella old. First flight 1997. It's basically junk compared to J-20, although it could be on par with Su-57.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Yikes no. F-22 is hella old. First flight 1997. It's basically junk compared to J-20, although it could be on par with Su-57.

Lol its still best fighter jet in the whole world and J-20 is nowhere near around it for example rcs reduction features and IR signature reduction from the engine, f22 at least 10-15 years ahead of J-20

 

[Deino]

If Su-75 can be integrated with Indian avionics like the Su-30MKI, it would be a good option for India. I am not sure about the thrust class and engine dimensions of Su75, but if India can replace the Russian engine with an Indian engine like Kaveri or another engine after 10 years, it would be even better.

Oh not again these wet dreams by a fan-boy! India is struggling to develop the Kaveri since decades and now you think it could replace a Russian high-thrust engine (most likely the 171.7 kN Izd. 30 aka AL-51F) with a not yet functioning Indian medium-thrust engine in about ten years! In ten years not even a Tejas will operationally fly with a Kaveri!

You really should - as I suggested so often to you - better read that crap again you wrote before you post, otherwise you are making an even bigger fool out of yourself.

And by the way, India needs to make a decision: Either go on the Western way with reliable, capable but expensive systems like C-17, P-8I, AH-64, Rafale and maybe tanker and AEW aircraft soon while at the same time massively expanding your own industry and research or again this kind of balancing act, not wanting to decide, betting on both horses... and in the end becoming dependent on everyone but not really achieving anything of your own.

Wet dreams and ish fantasies don't help.

 

[Pataliputra]

Oh not again these wet dreams by a fan-boy! India is struggling to develop the Kaveri since decades and now you think it could replace a Russian high-thrust engine (most likely the 171.7 kN Izd. 30 aka AL-51F) with a not yet functioning Indian medium-thrust engine in about ten years! In ten years not even a Tejas will operationally fly with a Kaveri!

You really should - as I suggested so often to you - better read that crap again you wrote before you post, otherwise you are making an even bigger fool out of yourself.

And by the way, India needs to make a decision: Either go on the Western way with reliable, capable but expensive systems like C-17, P-8I, AH-64, Rafale and maybe tanker and AEW aircraft soon while at the same time massively expanding your own industry and research or again this kind of balancing act, not wanting to decide, betting on both horses... and in the end becoming dependent on everyone but not really achieving anything of your own.

Wet dreams and ish fantasies don't help.

I was not referring to current 75kN vKaveri engine, which was meant to power Tejas. I was talking about Kaveri 2.0 or AMCA engine, which is to be developed in partnership with France. As I mentioned, dimensions of the engine are also important; Russian engines typically tend to be larger in size.

 

[Deino]

I was not referring to current 75kN vKaveri engine, which was meant to power Tejas. I was talking about Kaveri 2.0 or AMCA engine, which is to be developed in partnership with France. As I mentioned, dimensions of the engine are also important; Russian engines typically tend to be larger in size.

I'm well aware that you are again dreaming on Kaveri XYZ, but this too is just ridiculous!
Do you really think India can develop a 160-170kN engine within ten years to replace the AL-51? And even more so if the "new" Kaveri is developed with French help, there is no chance at all on a Russian plane ... as such all you ideas are nothing but fantasies!

And for the Su-75 you need a big engine, not one of medium size suitable for the Tejas Mk.2-PLUS anywhere in the future or the TEDBF! It's not taht Russian engines are bigger, for this fighter you need a big one.

 

[Pataliputra]

I'm well aware that you are again dreaming on Kaveri XYZ, but this too is just ridiculous!
Do you really think India can develop a 160-170kN engine within ten years to replace the AL-51? And even more so if the "new" Kaveri is developed with French help, there is no chance at all on a Russian plane ... as such all you ideas are nothing but fantasies!

And for the Su-75 you need a big engine, not one of medium size suitable for the Tejas Mk.2-PLUS anywhere in the future or the TEDBF! It's not taht Russian engines are bigger, for this fighter you need a big one.

If India and France co-produce a turbofan engine, it will indeed be the best in its class: compact, powerful, efficient, lightweight, and stealthy.

 

[Deino]

If India and France co-produce a turbofan engine, it will indeed be the best in its class: compact, powerful, efficient, lightweight, and stealthy.

Blah, blah, blah ... only again a post without substance, again only hiding the flaws in your previous posts, ignoring all issues and denying an answer to the point given?!!

Again, this whenever it may be ready medium-thrust, medium-sized engine will not fit the Su-75, it still will be too small and not powerful enough and even more a French-Indian-co-developed engine will never be allowed to be used on a Russian fighter!

Just a typical fan-boy post again!

 

[Deino]

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Russian stealth fighter Su-75 Checkmate gets new configuration.
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By the way, this is not really new but just a new report!
This configuration was already released almost exactly one year ago in July 2023!

And second, there was or is no prototype yet, "the originally unveiled prototype at MAX-2021" was a mock-up only, but no prototype.

Some 3D renderds from OAK, source:
https://paralay.iboards.ru/viewtopic.php?p=725393#p725393

 

[GoMig-21]

By the way, this is not really new but just a new report!
This configuration was already released almost exactly one year ago in July 2023!

Those are the article's words, not mine. But yes, you're correct about that design being shown a year ago. It's good to talk about it more by bringing it to light, we can learn so much more about this fascinating field of ultimate technology.

And second, there was or is no prototype yet, "the originally unveiled prototype at MAX-2021" was a mock-up only, but no prototype.

But didn't they display it and promote it as a prototype? Typically a mockup is clearly visible as a mockup when you see certain obvious details that are a dead giveaway, particularly the landing gear. Almost every single time you see a mockup -- including the F-35 -- you see the chincy landing gear lol and right away you can tell it's a mockup.

But this thing had the huge tarp cover and was photographed being towed by that front landing gear just like a fully functional fighter jet.

That right there was like whut the hell maan! lol Right? I mean look at the landing gears!

Did they ever actually say or announce that it was a mockup, or did we kinda deduce the likelihood that it was?

I'm not saying you're wrong, as a matter of fact it's much more likely that it is/was a mockup but in this case, where do you draw the line? As in how much or is it fake, put together papier-mâché or how much of it is actually real fighter jet?