Sea Port / Dry Port and Maritime Updates.

[FarhanSiddiqui]

how can it be called success when most of the Pakistanis can't even travel to Balauchistan without fearing for their lives?

My family went every year to Hub beach in Las Bela district, Balochistan after crossing the Hub River.

 

[Respect4Respect]

So you think Pakistan is trying to be a bridge between the US and China. That argument has merits.

the problem is simple, no one trusts this hybrid setup. Everyone's worried they'll make shady deals behind closed doors that will mess up Pakistan's future (again). There is no transparency or accountability, just a few generals in GHQ calling the shots for 25 crore people and they will be the first ones to leave Pakistan after retirement. Even their right decisions get slammed because of the mistrust. GHQ must be kept out of foreign policy and political decisions.

 

[mythbuster]

It is a MOU, nothing more, just a promise, but no funding.

Yes , we know that..... sweeter than honey and higher than Himalaya mumbo-jumbo no more.

 

[hyperman]

Now, in regards to us military presence in Pakistan, that's never been an issue for China in the past, why would that ever be in the future?

Did you not see the recent comments by the Chinese Foreign ministry about the US looking for a base in Afghanistan?

Was China concerned by NATO presence in neighbouring Afghanistan?

yes, Do you not understand what prompted the creation of the SCO in the first place? Or why the US tried to become an observer and was denied? lol, the Whole point of the SCO was to keep the United States out of Central Asia and for regional solutions to keep extraregional actors out.

And, are you somehow under the impression that China is trying to push it's biggest trade partner, the US, out of the region?

Are you playing dumb or are you actually this dense. lol The US and China are not friends, China absolutely doesn't want an encircling US presence around it. lol

Mark my words, if a US base shows up in Pakistan, especially with the current geopolitical environment, all this "Iron Brother" BS and the CPEC money and Weapons and intelligence help against India will dissapear. It would be a collosal blunder on part of the Pakistani establishment to alienate China. The US relationship is chaotic by nature under Trump and historically transactional(you would think they would have learned after the US lost interest in pakistan after the Afghan Soviet war), China is a neighbor and a permanent existence, and one that has natural converging interests with Pakistan on the matter of Pakistan's biggest rival in the region. The US is India's friend on day and an opponent another, China is a permanent geopolitical reality.

 

[HAIDER]

what we have basically, Air transit and now gifting Pasani to US, Gawadar to China, Karachi port to UAE .....................lollll...what we have . Generals gone nuts.... providing listen post against China ,Russia and Iran..... We are going anti neighbors .... why ?????

Generals offering Bagram tradin ...

 

[RealNapster]

1. We are China's partners and friends... not slaves.

2. Why on earth would China be offended?

3. If successful, it will end the BLA nonsense.

4. We got another jackobabad, a base that will be used by CIA and MOSAD against us as well as Iran. Finally Iran will count you as active supporter of its destruction and hence further fuel sectarianism in Pakistan. While Afghanistan and TTP will gain further support against Pakistan (especially Pak army) as what they have been saying would proved to be true all along.

Good plan.

 

[HAIDER]

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[FuturePAF]

Gwadar: China base; Pasni: US base ; Jiwani: Russia base ???

Jiwani might be better suited as a Saudi base, to keep an eye on Iran, if we’re giving out ports to other nations.

Btw, Pasni is probably preferred by the US because they had a base there before. Remember the old days; Pasni, Dalbaddin, Shamsi, and Jacobabad.

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[Ak01]

Chinese build the road

which we paid for...

you seem to forget that part...

i love how when we talk of china we tend to wash their hands of the dirty game they played.

Yes, the roads China built, with Chinese labour flown in from China, with the equipment flown in from China, paid for by interest applied loans from the Chinese- which come out of Pakistan's coffers.

So actually, even the Chinese get free rides, just like the Americans, or Brits, Germans, or [insert whatever country here].

Chinese built roads, built by Chinese workers, in a country with a 6+% unemployment rate, the Chinese firms could not find local workers, thus had to import their own at exorbitant rates, backed by Chinese loans, serviced from Pakistani coffers.

 

[Distant_Observer]

which we paid for...

you seem to forget that part...

i love how when we talk of china we tend to wash their hands of the dirty game they played.

Yes, the roads China built, with Chinese labour flown in from China, with the equipment flown in from China, paid for by interest applied loans from the Chinese- which come out of Pakistan's coffers.

So actually, even the Chinese get free rides, just like the Americans, or Brits, Germans, or [insert whatever country here].

Chinese built roads, built by Chinese workers, in a country with a 6+% unemployment rate, the Chinese firms could not find local workers, thus had to import their own at exorbitant rates, backed by Chinese loans, serviced from Pakistani coffers.

In exchange for high end military hardware which is priceless. J10-C with PL15 when India managed to ban the use of F16s. It is what it is.

 

[HAIDER]

which we paid for...

you seem to forget that part...

i love how when we talk of china we tend to wash their hands of the dirty game they played.

Yes, the roads China built, with Chinese labour flown in from China, with the equipment flown in from China, paid for by interest applied loans from the Chinese- which come out of Pakistan's coffers.

So actually, even the Chinese get free rides, just like the Americans, or Brits, Germans, or [insert whatever country here].

Chinese built roads, built by Chinese workers, in a country with a 6+% unemployment rate, the Chinese firms could not find local workers, thus had to import their own at exorbitant rates, backed by Chinese loans, serviced from Pakistani coffers.

Not paid yet, its part of CPEC loan , which is kept rollover .... loll

 

[Waz]

It won't see the light of day.
What happens when Trump goes? Any guarantee after that? I do think MAGA I here to stay but policy has differed wildly between presidents.
Keep it as it is.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Pak cannot go ahead on any project without Chinese backing. Remember all it would take to bankrupt Pakistan is Chinese refusal to roll over their debt.

I would rather think China might be interested in the US's port in Pakistan to connect to the CA. It implies the USA is also a part of the BRI, albeit indirectly. Moreover, the US presence in Pakistan, even if it's business oriented, is required to counterbalance the Hindutva Bharat having nukes and going nuts over Pakistan. Firing supersonic missiles, which could be tipped with nukes, into another nuclear power isn't something trivial for the powers that matter....

By the by, the FT report is from Britain, which initiated and countered the Czarist Russia with the Great Game at the first place....

 

[Respect4Respect]

Not paid yet, its part of CPEC loan , which is kept rollover .... loll

plus China never forced our elites to betray Pakistan, they did it on their own and are rewarded with power to do it all over again. The IPPs alone crippled the nation, in any sensible nation that would be called treason.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

Did you not see the recent comments by the Chinese Foreign ministry about the US looking for a base in Afghanistan?...

No, what did he say?

... yes, Do you not understand what prompted the creation of the SCO in the first place? Or why the US tried to become an observer and was denied? lol, the Whole point of the SCO was to keep the United States out of Central Asia and for regional solutions to keep extraregional actors out.

Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) was established on 15 June 2001 (well before 11 September 2001 attacks) as a security bloc to flight terrorism.

24-years on, it is still a security bloc and not a military bloc.

NATO member Turkiye is one of its Observers, as well as Qatar, that hosts America's second largest Centcom headquarters outside the US.

... Are you playing dumb or are you actually this dense. lol The US and China are not friends, China absolutely doesn't want an encircling US presence around it. lol ...

Their bilateral trade for 2024-2025 amounted to $658.9 billion in 2024.

And, China has been encircled since the Korean War.

... Mark my words, if a US base shows up in Pakistan, especially with the current geopolitical environment, all this "Iron Brother" BS and the CPEC money and Weapons and intelligence help against India will dissapear. ...

So far, your words are worthless.

... It would be a collosal blunder on part of the Pakistani establishment to alienate China. ...

Why would Pakistan alienate China when it has signed so many strategic agreements (both secret and public) with China and invested so much time and effort with it's relationship with China?

Pakistan doesn't have any major strategic agreements with the US like it does with China.

Pakistan-China relationships are turning into UK-US style partnership.

... The US relationship is chaotic by nature under Trump and historically transactional(you would think they would have learned after the US lost interest in pakistan after the Afghan Soviet war), ...

Yes, that's why Pakistan is very, very close to China after the United States decided to develop strategic relationships with India at the expense of its relations with Pakistan between 2002-2024.

... China is a neighbor and a permanent existence, and one that has natural converging interests with Pakistan on the matter of Pakistan's biggest rival in the region. The US is India's friend on day and an opponent another, China is a permanent geopolitical reality.

Wow, we Pakistanis never realised that. Thanks for your wonderful insight.