Shimla mosque row: Protestors break barricades, clash with police

[Nilgiri]

First, how is a waqf claim separate from the board? Simple; the board has to adjudicate.
Second, if the board has made a decision, it is final WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE BOARD. It does not trump anything else that contradicts the claim to own property that has been gifted on the basis of a trust held under the trusteeship of the Waqf Board. It does not supersede the judicial system, it does not supersede the courts of law.

No, not at all.

Where I fail to understand things is where such massive ignorance is flaunted as a basis for condemning an entire body of specialist trust creation. What is so alien or bizarre about it?

Please calm down and stop spouting social media nonsense. Look at the facts, and all the legal text that you yourself have adduced. It's quite simple.

The point is for hindutva trolls to imagine and then assert extra-judicial entities within India. Asserting some extra-judicial nature of the "other" within a realm (of law) for ulterior goals is one of oldest tricks in the book in human history.

Conditions for social friction and coercion generation for their cultural revolution and desire for ultimate conformity and cohesion.

Hindutva lies in the spectrum of quasi-cult to full on cult. Its true with religion based and driven politics in general, in fact I would say always.

More diverse you are in reality (within the religion asserted and then outside it), the worse the consequences get as it is not an objective process or goal at all. We all have to grapple with it (like you have here)....to show up whats going on here in basic way. A deliberate misread of the reality outside, for driving something inside at expense of that.

 

[Mrloveday]

Why on earth are you misinterpreting the matter and putting things in such an inflammatory manner?

If you haven't done your homework, don't comment.

Naresh Chauhan, an advisor to the Himachal Pradesh government, dismissed the protest as politically motivated, accusing BJP workers of trying to make the issue a national controversy. He emphasised that the situation is being handled as a law and order matter, asserting that those attempting to politicise the issue will not succeed.

Chauhan stated, "This is not a Hindu-Muslim issue but a case of unauthorised construction. The law is taking its course, and the matter is in court. No major local support has been gathered, as people understand the real issue."



Congress govt is saying the same. Don't shoot the messenger.

What is Shimla mosque dispute case, why are locals protesting over its construction | EXPLAINED

The Waqf Board has claimed ownership of the mosque, with the next court hearing scheduled for October. Rising tensions were further aggravated by a violent incident in the nearby Malyana area, leading to increased security measures.

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This is difficult to understand. How does waqf become an instrument of dispossession of the land belonging to others?

Care to explain?

@Joe Shearer

Muslims build Shrines and Mosques on public properties. Then the waqf board declares those properties as waqf controlled.

I can show pictures where Muslims have build religious structures on roads and even railway stations.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Muslims build Shrines and Mosques on public properties. Then the waqf board declares those properties as waqf controlled.

The first part is a possibility. How can the second part happen, without title?

I can show pictures where Muslims have build religious structures on roads and even railway stations.

Don't bother, unless you can tag a bid by the concerned Waqf Board to claim that property.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Naresh Chauhan, an advisor to the Himachal Pradesh government, dismissed the protest as politically motivated, accusing BJP workers of trying to make the issue a national controversy. He emphasised that the situation is being handled as a law and order matter, asserting that those attempting to politicise the issue will not succeed.

Chauhan stated, "This is not a Hindu-Muslim issue but a case of unauthorised construction. The law is taking its course, and the matter is in court. No major local support has been gathered, as people understand the real issue."

Neither of these paragraphs has anything to do with 'unlawful' or 'illegal'. It would be a good idea to understand the implications of your statements and half-truths.

 

[Mrloveday]

The first part is a possibility. How can the second part happen, without title?

Forging documents is very easy in India.

Neither of these paragraphs has anything to do with 'unlawful' or 'illegal'. It would be a good idea to understand the implications of your statements and half-truths.

You need a permit to do expansion work.

So yes it's illegal.


Why do Nehruvian seculars oppose abolishment of Waqf and Muslim board?

Muslims shouldn't enjoy any special privileges. One uniform civil law for everyone.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Forging documents is very easy in India.

You need a permit to do expansion work.

Of your own property? in unregulated locations?

So yes it's illegal.


Why do Nehruvian seculars oppose abolishment of Waqf and Muslim board?

Muslims shouldn't enjoy any special privileges. One uniform civil law for everyone.

Because this is nonsense. Makes no sense.
How, by the way, do Waqf Boards represent a different civil law? don't we set up trusts and gift property to that trust?

 

[Sharma Ji]

Shimla Muslim committee offers to demolish illegal mosque structure as protest spreads to state​

In peace offering, submits memorandum to Shimla MC Commissioner to raze disputed section

Muslim committee offers to demolish illegal Mosque structure amid protests in Shimla - The Tribune

In peace offering, submits memorandum to Shimla MC Commissioner to raze disputed section.

www.tribuneindia.com

A day after Hindu outfits held a massive protest against the “illegal mosque” in Sanjauli, the representatives of the Masjid committee on Thursday offered to demolish the illegal portion of the mosque if permitted.

“We have submitted a memorandum to Shimla MC Commissioner, wherein we have said the portion, which is illegal should be sealed for the time being. And we have also requested the MC Commissioner to allow us to demolish the portion that it considers illegal,” said one member of the delegation.

The delegation said they made this decision to ensure the decade-old brotherhood between the two communities is not affected. “We will accept whatever decision comes from the court. We have no objection if the court pronounces the decision to demolish the illegal portion. If it allows us, we will remove it ourselves,” he said.

A representative further said they had no idea that the construction of a mosque would cause so much inconvenience to the local people that thousands of them would come out in the streets in protest. “If we had known this, we would have asked the Muslims to stop the construction,” he said.

Meanwhile, commercial establishments were closed in many parts of the Himachal Pradesh capital on Thursday in support of protesters who have been demanding the demolition of illegal portions of a mosque in the densely populated Sanjauli area.

The shutdown call from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. was given after scores of protesters, who were demanding the demolition of illegal portions of a mosque, took to the streets and clashed with the police on Wednesday, breaking barricades during the protest.

Most of the private hotels, restaurants and shops were shut as the trade unions participated in the shutdown.

Reports indicate that Shimla-like tension is also prevailing in Mandi and Bilaspur towns, where Hindu outfits have been demanding the demolition of unauthorised mosques that have been mushrooming up in recent years.

The outfits argue that the population of the Muslims in the state is less than two per cent of the total population of over 68 lakh and question the funds they are getting to set up places of worship at several places.

On Wednesday, protesters, largely locals, marched towards Sanjauli to lodge their protest and demand the demolition of a portion of the five-floor mosque.

Police had to use mild lathi-charge and water cannons to disperse the crowds as they tried to remove the barricades at the Dhalli tunnel. Later, they staged a sit-in protest, blocking the road leading to Sanjauli and dispersed.

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ho gya settle mamla, thread can be closed/demolished.

@Mrloveday @vsdoc

 

[Mrloveday]

Shimla Muslim committee offers to demolish illegal mosque structure as protest spreads to state​

In peace offering, submits memorandum to Shimla MC Commissioner to raze disputed section

Muslim committee offers to demolish illegal Mosque structure amid protests in Shimla - The Tribune

In peace offering, submits memorandum to Shimla MC Commissioner to raze disputed section.

www.tribuneindia.com

A day after Hindu outfits held a massive protest against the “illegal mosque” in Sanjauli, the representatives of the Masjid committee on Thursday offered to demolish the illegal portion of the mosque if permitted.

“We have submitted a memorandum to Shimla MC Commissioner, wherein we have said the portion, which is illegal should be sealed for the time being. And we have also requested the MC Commissioner to allow us to demolish the portion that it considers illegal,” said one member of the delegation.

The delegation said they made this decision to ensure the decade-old brotherhood between the two communities is not affected. “We will accept whatever decision comes from the court. We have no objection if the court pronounces the decision to demolish the illegal portion. If it allows us, we will remove it ourselves,” he said.

A representative further said they had no idea that the construction of a mosque would cause so much inconvenience to the local people that thousands of them would come out in the streets in protest. “If we had known this, we would have asked the Muslims to stop the construction,” he said.

Meanwhile, commercial establishments were closed in many parts of the Himachal Pradesh capital on Thursday in support of protesters who have been demanding the demolition of illegal portions of a mosque in the densely populated Sanjauli area.

The shutdown call from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. was given after scores of protesters, who were demanding the demolition of illegal portions of a mosque, took to the streets and clashed with the police on Wednesday, breaking barricades during the protest.

Most of the private hotels, restaurants and shops were shut as the trade unions participated in the shutdown.

Reports indicate that Shimla-like tension is also prevailing in Mandi and Bilaspur towns, where Hindu outfits have been demanding the demolition of unauthorised mosques that have been mushrooming up in recent years.

The outfits argue that the population of the Muslims in the state is less than two per cent of the total population of over 68 lakh and question the funds they are getting to set up places of worship at several places.

On Wednesday, protesters, largely locals, marched towards Sanjauli to lodge their protest and demand the demolition of a portion of the five-floor mosque.

Police had to use mild lathi-charge and water cannons to disperse the crowds as they tried to remove the barricades at the Dhalli tunnel. Later, they staged a sit-in protest, blocking the road leading to Sanjauli and dispersed.

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ho gya settle mamla, thread can be closed/demolished.

@Mrloveday @vsdoc

Not yet. The issue won't die so quickly

Of your own property? in unregulated locations?

Because this is nonsense. Makes no sense.
How, by the way, do Waqf Boards represent a different civil law? don't we set up trusts and gift property to that trust?

Why should Muslims enjoy special priveleges?

Why a Muslim man can legally keep 4 wives ?

Others can't.

According to Hindu scriptures, there is no cap/limit on the number of wives. Then why this state sponsored discrimination?

Had Nehru implemented UCC, the BJP would have never come in power at centre. But Nehru chose to appease Muslims.

It two takes to tango. Hinduwadis bait Muslims into violence by bringing issues like Waqf, UCC etc.

I don't understand why so called progressive folks of India support regressive practices of Muslim Indians.

 

[Afif]

I don't understand why so called progressive folks of India support regressive practices of Muslim Indians.

Perhaps the same reason progressive left in BD support regressive practices of BD Hindus.

For exmaple, we have hindu inheritance law in place. Which discriminate against Hindu women.

হিন্দু উত্তরাধিকার আইনে কে সম্পত্তি পায়

www.prothomalo.com

Minority related matters are always sensitive.

 

[KAAFIR]

Back to M. K. Narayanan's forecast, immediately after the electoral slap in the fact that the BJP got.

He had predicted then that the BJP led by Modi would not draw the lessons that a rational organisation would. Instead, it would double down and doggedly pursue its strategies and tactics with renewed energy.

Consider this as part of the defiant blow-back of the BJP, carrying some enthusiastic, and some reluctant parts of the Sangh Parivar along with it. The VHP being headless and lunatic in character, with a thin film of caste condescension differentiating it from the Bajrang Dal, the RSS forced to stay in the background, wringing its hands and preaching a less-violent posture to the general public that nobody any longer pays any attention to.

As the BJP grip on power slips, it will get more and more violent.

It will also pounce on the slightest mistake that any member of I.N.D.I.A. might make. Look at the way that a sickening rape and murder in Calcutta has become a Dhaka-like protest against the Mamata Bannerjee misrule and stinking corruption.

Turbulent times ahead.

Being a mod, your first job to Ask the source. This guy is posting about India through Pak sources.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Why should Muslims enjoy special priveleges?

Why a Muslim man can legally keep 4 wives ?

Others can't.

According to Hindu scriptures, there is no cap/limit on the number of wives. Then why this state sponsored discrimination?

Had Nehru implemented UCC, the BJP would have never come in power at centre. But Nehru chose to appease Muslims.

It two takes to tango. Hinduwadis bait Muslims into violence by bringing issues like Waqf, UCC etc.

I don't understand why so called progressive folks of India support regressive practices of Muslim Indians.

You raise some very good points there, Nilu

 

[hussain0216]

Forging documents is very easy in India.

You need a permit to do expansion work.

So yes it's illegal.


Why do Nehruvian seculars oppose abolishment of Waqf and Muslim board?

Muslims shouldn't enjoy any special privileges. One uniform civil law for everyone.

The Waqf board administers land, buildings etc for Indian Muslims, what has UCC got to do with the Waqf



Whether you have UCC or not the Indian muslim community would require a Waqf

The west is largely secular and has multiple boards

 

[Musings]

Being a mod, your first job to Ask the source. This guy is posting about India through Pak sources.

Being a member your first job - you ought to say something about the topic.

 

[GatlingGun]

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Even congressi minister could not stay silent over such brazen misuse of muslim appeasement politics to construct illegal mosques.

Row over Congress minister's comments on illicit construction in Shimla mosque

The Congress minister asked if permission was taken from the administration before opening the mosque in Shimla. | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

 

[Joe Shearer]

According to Hindu scriptures, there is no cap/limit on the number of wives. Then why this state sponsored discrimination?

According to a law passed by our own Parliament, nothing imposed on us. I fail to see the logic behind criticising another community for the forward step taken by our community.

Had Nehru implemented UCC, the BJP would have never come in power at centre. But Nehru chose to appease Muslims.

Yeah, sure. That would have stymied the more than seven decades of patient educating ignorant Indians in the ways of bigotry and communal hatred that was put in by the RSS, contrary to their promise on being banned and seeking a lifting of that ban.

It two takes to tango. Hinduwadis bait Muslims into violence by bringing issues like Waqf, UCC etc.

I don't understand why so called progressive folks of India support regressive practices of Muslim Indians.

Your logic is impeccable.

The bigoted section of Indian polity seeks to bait Muslims into violence, and succeeds only in baiting Hindus into violence. Therefore, Indians should condemn Muslims, for allowing others to take advantage of them and make them targets of religious attacks.

Wow.