The possible ways of action of the Egyptian army in an initiated war against Israel
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GoMig-21
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It's not that he doesn't understand it, he doesn't want to understand it. There's a big difference between the two because he thinks this thread is about a competition between Egypt & Pakistan lol. It has nothing to do with Pakistan whatsoever.
Just look at his first post in this thread. He jumped in here like a bull in a china shop because all he saw was my comment about the "usefulness of F-16s without AMRAAMs". He didn't even bother reading and understanding the analogy I was making, and if they would consider an aircraft without AMRAAMs to be useless or if it still has a lot of usefulness. That was the point I was making with regards to any comparison between Pakistan and Egypt, not whose dick is bigger! lool.
It's just insecurity, that's all. Many people are guilty of that. Once you get past that, then you can have constructive dialogue. So I wouldn't waste any more time with this guy ya Sami unless you wish to do so. It's up to you, but you're dealing with misguided neurosis, so it's an exercise in futility, my friend.
AZADPAKISTAN2009
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Still waiting on General Sisi to , even kill a Pigeon on other side of fence
Just like Pakistani General don't like to go into Afghanistan , General Sisi is a peace loving fella
His line is not crossed , even after 40,000 deaths across the line into Rafah
The Trouble makers are always those student in University with their Ideals and morals
Now Turkey on other hand went into Syria and cleaned up the place in 1 year
Just like Pakistani General don't like to go into Afghanistan , General Sisi is a peace loving fella
His line is not crossed , even after 40,000 deaths across the line into Rafah
The Trouble makers are always those student in University with their Ideals and morals
Now Turkey on other hand went into Syria and cleaned up the place in 1 year
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xbat
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things are not that clear man! it is not that easy.
Sami_1
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Waiting or not waiting, we do not care about you, your existence, or even your interests. It is clear that you give yourself a value, importance, or opinion, and this does not represent anything to us. You are something to us. If you want something, or your country wants something, you implement it. Are you not Muslims? Or are you like the women who cry out for a man to save her or fulfill her desire? Understand that a woman who asks for something from a man will open her legs in the end. Are you putting yourself in this position?
AZADPAKISTAN2009
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Will continue to follow this thread see when Sisi will send in the Troop for a feel good run around in Rafah
No point to do exhibitions of weapons if these weapons can't be used to protect lives
No point to do exhibitions of weapons if these weapons can't be used to protect lives
The SC
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Well, war has two sides to it. one is political and the other is military.. the latter is just an extension of the former..
The SC
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He is a known troll in all Arab sections..
GoMig-21
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Luckily and graciously, we have the flip side of these fellas like @arjunk & @UKBengali & @enroger and quite a few others who bring the good stuff. That's what we can respect and are more than happy to indulge even gladly admit our own faults & shortcomings since believe me, we have PLENTY of shortcomings, defects, problems etc. We certainly are nowhere near immune to criticism, even welcome it as long as its respectful and constructive and especially factual. That last one is the most important one because if you're erroneously criticizing something that doesn't exist, it's the lamest thing anyone can do. It's like wuuut you talking about?
And then the religious stuff is an absolute disgrace. Talking about munafiqs and all that garbage is the lowest form of scumbagedry. Because there is no need for that especially when it's rooted in sectarianism. That's the main issue as that drives the hatred, and once the basis becomes hatred, it's all downhill from there.
@AZADPAKISTAN2009 , still waiting for your response about you claiming Egypt gets $10 - $18 billion a year lmaooo and where that came from? Let's go, bro. Bring it. You know you're 680% wrong on that, right?
Egypt military aid as a contractual agreement through the Peace Initiative is currently $1.3 billion and $0 economic aid per year. The additional $3.2 for a total of $4.5 billion that is scheduled for 2024 are in the form of loans from the IMF and a few other sources. They are not aid.
As you can see, that is a far cry from your posted number of $18-$20 billion and that's where I encourage people to bring the accurate info if you wish to criticize and be taken seriously. Once you start pulling out numbers from backsides and things of that sort, sorry to say, but credibility shoots straight down the crapper.
UKBengali
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I think he is also counting financing from IMF and GCC, which can be thought of as a form of aid although it is loans which most countries also take out.
GoMig-21
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I already included the IMF loan and added the entire amount in one year which is not even the way it's given. Those funds are condition-based payments incrementally issued on the basis of those conditions being implemented first, such as the devaluation of the Egyptian pound etc.
The main problem is it doesn't come even close to this $18 billion a year I mean that's so insane to even say something like that. Worst to not even be able to back it up even with bogus sources, let alone legitimate ones which would be impossible to find since it's completely false. Even if it's a source that "alleges" financial input from GCC states that used to be a huge excuse people would use to discredit Egypt's purchase power post-revolution when Sisi took power and went on that unprecedented spending spree modernizing the military. That whole "Saudi money" theory was used ad nauseum to criticize Egypt and especially Sisi and it all turned out to be completely bogus BS crapshoot khara.
And therein lies the crux of these debates that spiral out of control; the "fabrication" of "incriminating" BS just to make someone look bad. That sucks. It's plain outright sleezy. Bring the real criticism so you have a leg to stand on and respect will be reciprocated.
Sami_1
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I have already implemented a ban on him to get rid of him, he does not add anything and does not understand anything, so even paying attention to him is confusing and has no value.
I do not understand what you are talking about regarding Egypt getting 18 billion dollars. There is confusion in the matter or a difference in the information. Egypt.
I do not publish incorrect information or without evidence. There is definitely a water error in writing the topic, but not publishing incorrect information.
The state has undeclared sources of income.
For many years, whether the reserves that were built during the era of Sadat and gradually increased and are equivalent to covering the state's needs for goods for a year outside the reserve in the central bank, and this is a war reserve.
The state has reserves in the National Investment Bank, economic authorities, private funds, and entities called sovereign.
The army has sources of income such as deductions from the Suez Canal and various fees in ports and others in dollars outside the state's control.
And it confiscated the Egyptian mineral ores that are controlled by companies such as Shalateen and companies affiliated with the intelligence. These entities have companies, each entity owns 40-60 companies Whether army or intelligence, in addition to what the army gets from the budget and allocations of land it owns, it resells it or implements projects on it, the economy of the army, intelligence and police exceeds 52% of the income of the Egyptian economy, so we are a poor people and a rich army.
I had explained that the Egyptian state owns mining materials equivalent to what Saudi Arabia owns 3 times, and I explained it in detail for each material with sources from Egyptian publications.
So please clarify what you mentioned previously because I did not understand the information or perhaps there is an intention for another matter
Admiral General Aladin
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well.that we chat source never mentioned the country's name.how do you come to conclusion that Egypt was the buyer?china showed HJ-12 in lots of defence exhibition in various countries.that doesn’t mean all of those countries bought it.now tell me does Egypt ever showed hj-12 in any of her parades?answer is no.cause they don’t have it.maybe Egypt will buy it.but currently they don’t have it.View attachment 44682
It is clear that you do not understand or comprehend anything.
Egypt is not like the Gulf countries, offering every bullet it buys.
Even Russian weapons contracts are double what is announced for VHIR-1 and ATAKA missiles, and the same is true for S-300V systems.
All Western supplies are always less than Eastern supplies to Egypt due to the cost and return factor. Previously, an American source was included who stated that China sells weapons in secret.
The next customer is Egypt for the HJ-12E missile as a major customer, as we are not talking about an unknown missile in Egypt.
According to the official WeChat account of China North Industries Co., Ltd. in 2020, the Red Arrow-12E, an individual portable anti-tank missile, "overcame the impact of the 'new coronavirus' pneumonia epidemic" and successfully completed the delivery task to a buyer in a certain country. First of all, it needs to be emphasized that although according to the description on the WeChat account of North Industries, this business has already reached the stage of paying first and delivering the goods, which can be regarded as really "completed", but this mysterious "buyer" in the end was still a matter of opinion. But this is not surprising. After all, China's military trade contracts, especially those for tactical weapons, have always been kept secret from the outside world. There were two main directions for speculation as to the buyer of this big business. The first is the Royal Thai Army, and the second is the Egyptian Army. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/hj-12e.htm
This missile was displayed in the three Egyptian defense exhibitions EDEX-2018/2021/2023 and there is a policy followed by arms sales companies to participate in defense exhibitions for the country to which the weapons were exported
So why was this missile displayed? The previous pictures that were shown in my previous response of the HJ-12E missile were at the EDEX-2018 defense exhibition
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https://www.africaintelligence.com/...nks-to-imut-s-armoured-vehicles,109598170-eve
The point that you ignore and do not know is that China bought a 10% share in the Egyptian ST-100/ST-500 vehicle project in exchange for providing the Chinese armament systems GM-101/102, CM-501/502 with the entire family. Also, because you do not understand the meaning of the pictures that I included in my responses, I also included pictures of the vehicle in catalogs equipped with anti-tank missiles that I brought from a Chinese forum on the subject of missiles Anti-tank missiles, I do not put anything without it, and for your information, Egyptian-Chinese cooperation in the field of missiles with Egypt is greater than any other country for certain reasons. Egypt was one of the sources of technology transfer to China through the reproduction of Western weapons. The HJ-8 missile, China obtained its technology from several Western missiles such as the SWINGFIRE TOW MILAN.
HJ-8 is a combination many experts believe of three Western antitank missile systems obtained from nations in the Middle East and Asia that were then examined and reverse engineered and modified: the tripod from the US BGM-71 TOW; the tracker-control unit from the French/German MILAN; and the missile from the UK Swingfire.[9]
HJ-8 - Wikipedia
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In return for transferring the technology to China, Egypt obtained its missiles many years ago, but it was not announced. Egypt moved from producing the HJ-8 missile to producing the HJ-11 missile. Why? Simply because the cost of manufacturing a missile does not exceed $12,000, so it can be published in large numbers at the level of the Egyptian army.
Another point: Egypt is the one who requested the development of the HJ-8/11 missiles with destructive warheads that reach a penetration capacity of 1400 mm in armored steel to confront tanks such as the Merkava.
Egypt owns huge numbers of the WING LOONG 1 WING LOONG 1D WING NOONG 2 CH-4 CH-5 drones.
In huge numbers, Egypt is the largest international customer of the WING LOONG 2 with 76 aircraft. The next customer is Kastan with 48 aircraft. The number of WING LIING1 aircraft is greater than what is announced or known. Is this huge number of aircraft not equipped with Chinese anti-tank missiles? Or does it come and arm itself with roses? You claim things you do not understand.
I will give you another thing. What is the philosophy of military cooperation between Egypt and Pakistan?
Cooperation between them in the arms industry is to reach the production of weapons at a very low cost. Even the Pakistani quadruple launcher for the Pakistani version HJ-8 is used by Egypt on TOYOTA LC-79 vehicles.
Egypt is the last. Egypt is true. It is redeveloping old missiles in service, but even the missile it produces, such as the HJ-11, it has developed it to increase its range to 6.5 kilometers and also improve its penetration ability and also target helicopters at a range of 5.3 kilometers.
You cannot analyze. You want to see a picture of every weapon in Egyptian service. There are weapons that entered service and exited Egypt, and their presence was not announced at all.
And there are more important matters since the Western weapons that Egypt manufactures at high manufacturing rates and without sensitive systems that the West deliberately does not produce in Egypt in order to control the volume of supplies. Egypt produces These components with other sources, so that even the most ignorant person does not know the size of the Egyptian armament
And it is also very simple because you do not understand it and your likes do not understand it
The rate of missile production in Egypt according to a 1985 report published in the forum states that Egypt produces 200 anti-tank missiles per month for one production line at this rate since 1979, meaning simply that Egypt's production exceeded 100,000 missiles. Egypt's production rate of the RPG-7 projectile was 750 missiles every 8 hours in Egypt, i.e. a production rate for one shift of 225,000 missiles annually, and with full production, the shifts of the numbers are very large. These are the points that I focused on, that Egypt's production capacity for equipment is huge during the war, and Egypt's refusal to produce weapons and deliver them to Ukraine to cover its needs. The Russians offered Egypt a huge sum in return. Rather, the Russians request ammunition or weapons from Egypt, while Egypt at this point does not meet the needs of the Russians either, because we are in a turbulent region where war breaks out at any moment
And because You don't know anything Egypt French missiles that
Like MILAN, it had received an initial batch of 4150 missiles and 220 launchers from the late seventies to the mid-eighties.
In 2001, Egypt bought another batch of 125 launchers and no less than 2000 more missiles. Then, it obtained from us, for Indian production, a number of them as well, along with the AT-5 missile. The most important point is whether you are a specialist and understand the field of armament and tank resistance more than the naive military who do not understand like you and your mind, so they only buy weapons with limited effectiveness, or are the facts of things something else?
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EGYPTIAN ST-100/ST-500 AS YOU SEE
The arms trade is very profitable and there are many advertisements. Your serums do not know that the LEOPORD 2A4 tanks were destroyed by the AT-5 missile and the Saudi M1A2 tanks in Yemen were destroyed by the AT-4/5 missile.
The Israeli Merkava achieved hits with the Palestinian RPG-VMZ missiles called Yassin.
While Egypt is developing the COBRA every five years, Egypt has not announced any development program. It has been around since the late 1980s, although it has been known for 15 years that there is a development with the Swiss company RUAG for a 900 mm penetration capability.
If it was announced that Egypt obtained 1,000 RPG-32 platforms since 2015, or even that Egypt possesses 2,200 Carl Gustav launchers, the Swiss company announced that Egypt has renewed orders for it as well.
Guided or unguided anti-tank missiles are used not only against tanks, but against armored vehicles, jeeps, light fortifications, and other various targets. Therefore, Egypt's possession of 100,000 guided anti-tank missiles within 40 years from many international sources is a very easy matter that does not represent stupidity on the budget in light of an economy controlled by the army and security services at 52%. One of the reasons for the low income of Egyptians is the army's control over the economy and its lack of efficient management of it.
