Trump Announces Major Pakistan Trade Deal, Vows Joint Oil Development/Exploration

[Rationale]

Don't think the readers are plain stupid. Your issues with China and Pakistan are the same. You change the intensity based on your own needs. Just like you did with the West, ate their trillions and didn't even say thank you, forget about being an ally.

1) You have a LAND dispute with both Pakistan and China. It's the same issue......"LAND". However, due to your internal benefits and concerns, you over-hype one (Pakistan) and under-hype the other (China).

2) You can't militarily fight with China. Your OWN military's assessment is, a full conventional war with China will cut ALL SEVEN states at the Chicken's neck and the war will last maximum 7 days ONLY!! So why mess with the Dragon who will swallow a decent portion of your country without a burp?

3) China: you need for your own growth and trade. Its the world's largest trade machine right at your borders, connected with roads and it saves billions in shipping and other cost that you would pay if let's say you were trading with Africa or Europe in this capacity. This is strategic for India and for Indians to have cheaper cost of goods sourced from China.

With Pakistan, until May 2025, Modi and the likes in RSS, really thought they had such an overwhelming military power that they could crush. To look like a big power ready, May 2025 was done. The result not only created earth quakes in Indian political and military elite, it ruined your entire reputation in front of the entire globe. The world does NOT see South Asia belonging to India only. It is now SHARED with Pakistan.

So these are the reasons why a LAND issue is treated differently with China and Pakistan.

That is over simplistic to the point of being stupid. It is like saying that a mouse and elephant are the same because they are both ANIMALS.

Until the British drew up the McMahon Line, most of the territory disputed with China was never under the rule of a power ruling in what is the modern Indian heartland. The people living there are still not mainstream and many ignorant Indians refer to them as Chinkies. Also, while that land is now strategically important, it is not and has never been very economically productive . Both the Indian and Chinese governments provide massive subsidies in the disputed regions and their vicinity. The situation is very different in Kashmir, which was ruled by the Dogras and Sikhs and was a Hindu region before the Islamic consequent.

The Hindu nationalists have always seen Islam as the existentialist theat. The Chinese have no place in their history or mythology.

It is true that China is substantially stronger than India militarily and economically, but it is also true that most of the Han Chinese economic, cultural and political centres are in the east. Their historical sphere of influence and current military focus is in the east towards Taiwan, the Koreas , Japan and South East Asia . India is mostly just an irritant on the other side of the Himalayas for them. Likewise, given the the relative military capacity of China and Pakistan, India is disproportionately focussed on Pakistan. There are bitter memories from 1962, anger at Chinese support for Pakistan and resentment and jealousy at how much China outpaced India since Deng opened up the economy, but there is no fundamental civilisational quarrel. Many Indians are obsessed with Pakistan. Very few have interest in China. Hundreds of Pakistanis are household names in India. Many Indians would not be able to name a single Chinese. If this were Chinese Defence Forum, you would have found hardly any Indians here .

 

[Samlee]

Do you have a background in this area? If you aren't understanding what this 19% means without using Chat GPT (even that won't have true answers), why not ask the members first so someone can give your proper details?

I desired a baseline tariff of 10 %.I am offering preferential access to the natural resources of my country,I am going to compromise on what I believed for 70 years vis a vis Palestine to sign Abraham Accords.If in exchange I demand preferential access to the biggest market in the world for my products,Tell me I am wrong in desiring that.


This 19% means that were pretty much in the same league as our competitors Bangladesh Vietnam Indonesia And phillipines

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Samlee

You have got a 6% discount over your mortal rival from USA. What more do you want? Bachchey ki jaan hi le loge kya?

Regards

 

[drkrn86]

- We have an extremely robust manufacturing base in Textiles (un-stitched), Clothing (ready made), Sporting goods, Medical and Surgical equipment and a massive labor force in IT & Medical (Docs, Nurses).

- We can take up to $ 20 billion worth additional orders without expansion.

- Medical labor (doctors and nurses) going to Middle East, Africa, and many to UK and USA.

- A thriving IT freelance industry, will be lined to below soon.

- Crypto + AI: Industry expertise will be built now with US, like how you guys got the IT support work, we'll be getting future AI and Crypto mining related business from the US under the new deal.

Your robust manufacturing base is only in low tech sectors. How ever good they might be scaling up for 20 billion dollars in no time is something not believable.

Skilled/Manual workers and their remittences don't get counted as trade.

Do you really think that Trump will let AI move out of America?? Goodluck with that.

 

[Samlee]

@Samlee

You have got a 6% discount over your mortal rival from USA. What more do you want? Bachchey ki jaan hi le loge kya?

Regards

I am a greedy man I want discount over everyone.

If I am giving something special I want something special

 

[Rationale]

Do you have a background in this area? If you aren't understanding what this 19% means without using Chat GPT (even that won't have true answers), why not ask the members first so someone can give your proper details?



Indians are always Indians, can never ask a question without negativity. People sitting in RAW's 2.5 feet cubicles in Noida city, trying to act like PHD's on Pakistani economy

- We have an extremely robust manufacturing base in Textiles (un-stitched), Clothing (ready made), Sporting goods, Medical and Surgical equipment and a massive labor force in IT & Medical (Docs, Nurses).

- Denim jeans wear for Levis and Guess is built in Lahore. Adidas, Nike and Puma in Sialkot!

- These are our 3 main export areas from a manufacturing standpoint. We already export billion worth of goods to various parts of the globe.
- We can take up to $ 20 billion worth additional orders without expansion.

- Medical labor (doctors and nurses) going to Middle East, Africa, and many to UK and USA.

- A thriving IT freelance industry, will be lined to below soon.

- Crypto + AI: Industry expertise will be built now with US, like how you guys got the IT support work, we'll be getting future AI and Crypto mining related business from the US under the new deal.

Hilarious post. Made me smile so many times. Thanks for the laughs.

 

[Rationale]

I desired a baseline tariff of 10 %.I am offering preferential access to the natural resources of my country,I am going to compromise on what I believed for 70 years vis a vis Palestine to sign Abraham Accords.If in exchange I demand preferential access to the biggest market in the world for my products,Tell me I am wrong in desiring that.


This 19% means that were pretty much in the same league as our competitors Bangladesh Vietnam Indonesia And phillipines

To get 10% , you need to either have a trade deficit with the US or be economically insignificant like the Maldives.

 

[Vkdindian1]

There is a long list of countries in 19% tariff category. Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines etc have a robust manufacturing capability. If the competition is with them, then it wouldn’t be very easy for Pakistan. These nations have displayed better environment for setting up businesses and are far ahead.

The pie would be captured by them, if they get a chance.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Samlee

I am a greedy man I want discount over everyone. If I am giving something special I want something special

You are being greedy for sure. You are offering something whose existence is not confirmed (access to your oil reserves), while you have been something which is confirmed (19% v/s 25%).

Regards

 

[Samlee]

India said no to F35, no to opening up our farm sector, stood firm on things that matter to us and got slapped with a 25% tariff. And even that excludes electronics and IT, our biggest exports and that’s before the deal is even final. Talks are still ongoing. Some give and take, and we might actually come out with a better setup once it’s done.

That electronics and IT exemption is only for 2 weeks so stop jumping up and down

 

[RajaBaja]

I desired a baseline tariff of 10 %.I am offering preferential access to the natural resources of my country,I am going to compromise on what I believed for 70 years vis a vis Palestine to sign Abraham Accords.If in exchange I demand preferential access to the biggest market in the world for my products,Tell me I am wrong in desiring that.


This 19% means that were pretty much in the same league as our competitors Bangladesh Vietnam Indonesia And phillipines

First, you have to separate so many issues. They aren't in 1. For example, 3 people working, trying to run 1 house, aren't 1. Even though money is the end result. All 3 have different circumstances. Same thing here, things aren't 1 like your post suggest.

Tariff is one thing. Trade / business policy is another. Abraham accord is different (not in the picture right now). Your competition is also not your business because you are getting a preferential trade agreement. So the US has already said we will be put on top of the list, competition remains for others.

The Tariff only means we can increase the price to include it, or share it, or, decrease our margin a bit. It doesn't give us a loss.

-We get massive preferential access to US market, can really grow our textile sector to however big we can, per our capacity.
- US will pour billions into Pakistan for Crypto and AI. Millions of our Tech population will work on hi-tech stuff.
- Preferential partnership agreement with the US on oil, gas, minerals exploration. Where the US will invest from their pocket and from resulting profit, we'll pay back the exploration cost, while Pakistani labor will be used in exploration activities with management from US firms.

- The US knows we are headed to a $ 1 Trillion economy and no matter how you look at us today, 2035 and 2045 Pakistan will be a different country. In top 15 economies so US is the right partner for many things along with China and Russia.

What more can we ask for? This here is a one time opportunity for Pakistan to grow heavy. It's similar to 1995 with Clinton - India situation.

 

[Yasser76]

India said no to F35, no to opening up our farm sector, stood firm on things that matter to us and got slapped with a 25% tariff. And even that excludes electronics and IT, our biggest exports and that’s before the deal is even final. Talks are still ongoing. Some give and take, and we might actually come out with a better setup once it’s done.

Meanwhile, Pakistan hears "oil" and immediately offers up mineral rights, joint exploration, mystery reserves, and starts blowing kisses Trump’s way and still gets hit with 19%.

And somehow, PDFers are dancing in the streets like they just outmaneuvered everyone all at once. you gave away your entire lunch and got taxed for delivery.

At least India’s negotiating. You lot jump into bed the second someone flashes a deal, no foreplay, no strategy, just "yes please", this is pure comedy

Easy my down trodden Indian chum, despite India being a trategic US partner and much larger trading partner and "Phraaand" you got slapped with 6% higher.

Anyone who works in business (and that seems to exclude you) can tell you Pakistan got the better deal.

Trump not even announced the penalty India will pay for Russian oil/weapons sales.

Dont see him slapping that on Pakistan for Chinese weapons.

Ask yourself why?

Cry to Modi Ji, not us

 

[Samlee]

To my knowledge, the manufacturing sector in Pakistan is almost non existent and if efforts are started in earnest, it would take atleast 3-4 years to make use of this opportunity.
I haven’t seen this kind of proactiveness from any Pak government in the last couple of decades.

Closely monitoring this space to see, how this is grabbed by our western neighbours.

If you think Pakistan's manufacturing is non existent then my friend your knowledge of Pakistani economy is non existent

 

[Rationale]

Easy my down trodden Indian chum, despite India being a trategic US partner and much larger trading partner and "Phraaand" you got slapped with 6% higher.

Anyone who works in business (and that seems to exclude you) can tell you Pakistan got the better deal.

Trump not even announced the penalty India will pay for Russian oil/weapons sales.

Dont see him slapping that on Pakistan for Chinese weapons.

Ask yourself why?

Cry to Modi Ji, not us

You seem to be unaware of the fact that Pakistan has made concessions and agreed to a deal . India is still negotiating. India has a higher rate as of now but has also not made any concessions. Many US goods still face 100% + tariffs in India.

 

[Yasser76]

You seem to be unaware of the fact that Pakistan has made concessions and agreed to a deal . India is still negotiating. India has a higher rate as of now but has also not made any concessions. Many US goods still face 100% + tariffs in India.

What concessions Pakistan has made no one knows, what happens to India no one knows.

What we do know, what is actual factual, as in happening right now, is that most Indian products are now 6% more then Pakistani products in the US.

Pakistani exporters of textiles and agriculture are now, default, 6% cheaper then Indias. So until India agrees a deal, it is at a competative disadvantge in the world's largest consumer market vis a vis Pakistan. Thsi was done by your "ally"