Trump threatens 100% tariffs on BRICS nations over US dollar replacement plans

This whole war is going to be interesting now, as we're possibly seeing a decoupling between the two countries. As a businessman, I hate tariffs, as they just do not work in the long run. With its Dark Factory concept, China has shown that automation will take hold over time to cut further costs and increase margins.

As seen on YouTube and other sources, the Dark Factory concept is a double-edged sword for any country. However, with more graduates leaving school, they often do not want factory jobs like their parents once did; they believe that office jobs should be the only option, similar to how American graduates think. So, you will eventually have an oversupply of students who may not enter the workforce, be paid lower wages, or work in unrelated fields. [This is a situation that China is facing, too. We might see this in the West down the road.]

This whole bringing factories back and putting people to work is just empty talk, with no sound economic principles to back it.
I do believe the Japanese are already ahead of the ROW in that regard. They learned well the principles of Deming and Juran when American manufacturers were spurning them for the most part (Ford excluded).

In my own situation, we have various levels of robotics throughout the enterprise. Specific to my own division, robotics are being implemented for induction into the sort systems as well as preparation for transport for final mile delivery. Others are being used for simple tasks such as preparing boxes for shipping. One place I recently visited, the vendor had a similar robot doing the job of what he once had three people assigned to.

At the time, as a puppy engineer just starting my career, the idea of sitting in a cube much less and office was so far removed from reality it wasn't funny. I spent more than a fear years in the field. My office was the inside of my company-assigned vehicle or perhaps a fold-up table in a field construction trailer. Agreed, today's graduates seem to have a weird sense of entitlement that they should be making $175K / year and have an office as a freshout with zero experience. Prior to my retirement, the young engineers reporting to me spent as much time in the field as I did.

As for tariffs, too many things out there simply not worth assigning tariffs to. What fledgling industry is the country trying to protect? Let's be realistic; many of the tariffs placed on US goods by foreign countries are way out of line compared to the tariffs assigned by the US on their products. Dairy is a good example. Canada places a 200% tariff on US dairy products. Why? It makes zero sense.

The other benefit of today's globalized economy is convenience. No longer, and I'll use the US as an example, are certain agriculture products "out of season" during the winter months. I am currently eating blueberries and raspberries that are flow in from Ecuador, Peru, and Chile. Fresh strawberries from Mexico. Cherries from Argentina and Chile. I eat a healthier diet now because fresh vegetables that won't be available from US farms for months (unless grown in hot houses) are available now.

Shirts! I've said it several times........the textile industry is NOT coming back to the US. It is not cost effective.

I could go on and on but am worried I'll have a stroke as I'll get too wound up.
 
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I do believe the Japanese are already ahead of the ROW in that regard. They learned well the principles of Deming and Juran when American manufacturers were spurning them for the most part (Ford excluded).

In my own situation, we have various levels of robotics throughout the enterprise. Specific to my own division, robotics are being implemented for induction into the sort systems as well as preparation for transport for final mile delivery. Others are being used for simple tasks such as preparing boxes for shipping. One place I recently visited, the vendor had a similar robot doing the job of what he once had three people assigned to.

At the time, as a puppy engineer just starting my career, the idea of sitting in a cube much less and office was so far removed from reality it wasn't funny. I spent more than a fear years in the field. My office was the inside of my company-assigned vehicle or perhaps a fold-up table in a field construction trailer. Agreed, today's graduates seem to have a weird sense of entitlement that they should be making $175K / year and have an office as a freshout with zero experience. Prior to my retirement, the young engineers reporting to me spent as much time in the field as I did.

As for tariffs, too many things out there simply not worth assigning tariffs to. What fledgling industry is the country trying to protect? Let's be realistic; many of the tariffs placed on US goods by foreign countries are way out of line compared to the tariffs assigned by the US on their products. Dairy is a good example. Canada places a 200% tariff on US dairy products. Why? It makes zero sense.

The other benefit of today's globalized economy is convenience. No long, and I'll use the US as an example, are certain agriculture products "out of season" during the winter months. I am currently eating blueberries and raspberries that are flow in from Ecuador, Peru, and Chile. Fresh strawberries from Mexico. Cherries from Argentina and Chile. I eat a healthier diet now because fresh vegetables that won't be available from US farms for months (unless grown in hot houses) are available now.

Shirts! I've said it several times........the textile industry is NOT coming back to the US. It is not cost effective.

I could go on and on but am worried I'll have a stroke as I'll get too wound up.

Sweatshops aren't coming back to the US, and honestly, even Trump doesn't want that. What he's doing by threatening tariffs on Vietnam and other Southeast Asian countries isn't about punishing them. It's more about stopping the transshipment of Chinese goods that are just being rerouted through those countries. What surprises me is how worked up people are getting over this.

During Trump's first term, we already saw a wave of Chinese assembly lines shift to Vietnam, but let's be real, it was mostly low-value-added stuff that moved. Sure, big export orders and improved logistics can create jobs, but that alone isn't going to fundamentally transform Vietnam's economy.

Now with this new round of tariffs coming in Trump's second term, it's hard to say how China will respond. But if it ever gets to a point where China genuinely starts to feel the pressure, then we might finally see a real shift, like Chinese components actually being manufactured in Vietnam, not just assembled here.
 
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Automation is going to be the key. Issue with that is less people for what were once "hands on" jobs and more technical people.

Avnet is a good example of this. They have a warehouse that is near-100% automated.
Even building a fully automated factory will take years before they are ready for production, given laws in America and so many clearances from many different departments, China and world has invested billions of dollars and decades to build their factories in China, if America really want to make in America they have to start building more and more industries, factories than convince the new Generation to work in them, with production cost go up so will the product cost for the consumer, are Americas ready to bear the cost? and what about the cost of living ? housing, rent etc ? people already are struggling to make enough to pay bills or afford basic medical facilities, now adding cost to their grocery or clothing or other essential will further hurt them.
 
Exactly one of my other points. Many laws are simply anti-business. California is leading the way still. It's no surprise then the companies are off-shoring.

I hate doing any work in California. Especially in Los Angeles County.
 
I do believe the Japanese are already ahead of the ROW in that regard. They learned well the principles of Deming and Juran when American manufacturers were spurning them for the most part (Ford excluded).

In my own situation, we have various levels of robotics throughout the enterprise. Specific to my own division, robotics are being implemented for induction into the sort systems as well as preparation for transport for final mile delivery. Others are being used for simple tasks such as preparing boxes for shipping. One place I recently visited, the vendor had a similar robot doing the job of what he once had three people assigned to.

At the time, as a puppy engineer just starting my career, the idea of sitting in a cube much less and office was so far removed from reality it wasn't funny. I spent more than a fear years in the field. My office was the inside of my company-assigned vehicle or perhaps a fold-up table in a field construction trailer. Agreed, today's graduates seem to have a weird sense of entitlement that they should be making $175K / year and have an office as a freshout with zero experience. Prior to my retirement, the young engineers reporting to me spent as much time in the field as I did.

As for tariffs, too many things out there simply not worth assigning tariffs to. What fledgling industry is the country trying to protect? Let's be realistic; many of the tariffs placed on US goods by foreign countries are way out of line compared to the tariffs assigned by the US on their products. Dairy is a good example. Canada places a 200% tariff on US dairy products. Why? It makes zero sense.

The other benefit of today's globalized economy is convenience. No longer, and I'll use the US as an example, are certain agriculture products "out of season" during the winter months. I am currently eating blueberries and raspberries that are flow in from Ecuador, Peru, and Chile. Fresh strawberries from Mexico. Cherries from Argentina and Chile. I eat a healthier diet now because fresh vegetables that won't be available from US farms for months (unless grown in hot houses) are available now.

Shirts! I've said it several times........the textile industry is NOT coming back to the US. It is not cost effective.

I could go on and on but am worried I'll have a stroke as I'll get too wound up.

You actually think Trump's cabinet members understand what you're saying?

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Exactly one of my other points. Many laws are simply anti-business. California is leading the way still. It's no surprise then the companies are off-shoring.

I hate doing any work in California. Especially in Los Angeles County.
I haven't been to West coast yet, but about California and their taxes/regulations All i heard is bad reviews, so i totally understand where you coming from.
 
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Exactly one of my other points. Many laws are simply anti-business. California is leading the way still. It's no surprise then the companies are off-shoring.

I hate doing any work in California. Especially in Los Angeles County.
Depends on what type of business you were in.

California has the Port of Los Angeles, which is one of the 3 top ports in the US (The other one being Port of Baltimore and I can't remember the third one on top of my head) Everything coming from and going to Asia go thru Port of Los Angeles.

My mother used to have a garment factory in Sacramento back in the 90s, she had her own textile factory in Vietnam and to ship the textile (usually high strength tarpaulin) to the US and make soft truck cover in the US, back when California was red and Pete Wilson was the governor. The state was very anti-business back then, Wilson frozen many infrastructure project, and cancelled many, leading to cost-prohibited importation, with the aim to slash state government budget and encourage export (sound familiar?) my mom business in California failed because she can't move to inland/Midwest as this will triple the logistic cost.

However, if you are a farmer from Idaho or Colorado, California is the best place for you to do business with as you need to sell them soybean and meat to Asia.
 
Depends on what type of business you were in.

California has the Port of Los Angeles, which is one of the 3 top ports in the US (The other one being Port of Baltimore and I can't remember the third one on top of my head) Everything coming from and going to Asia go thru Port of Los Angeles.

My mother used to have a garment factory in Sacramento back in the 90s, she had her own textile factory in Vietnam and to ship the textile (usually high strength tarpaulin) to the US and make soft truck cover in the US, back when California was red and Pete Wilson was the governor. The state was very anti-business back then, Wilson frozen many infrastructure project, and cancelled many, leading to cost-prohibited importation, with the aim to slash state government budget and encourage export (sound familiar?) my mom business in California failed because she can't move to inland/Midwest as this will triple the logistic cost.

However, if you are a farmer from Idaho or Colorado, California is the best place for you to do business with as you need to sell them soybean and meat to Asia.
I work in logistics. I'm familiar with the Ports of LA, Long Beach, SFO, and OAK. When I was in our Express division, LAX and SFO were our air gateways to Asia.

Things have changed considerably. And not for the good. Los Angeles County makes it very hard to do anything now. Southern California Air Quality Management District adds another layer. Then the people up in Sacramento put the icing on the cake.

California is still anti-business.
 
I work in logistics. I'm familiar with the Ports of LA, Long Beach, SFO, and OAK. When I was in our Express division, LAX and SFO were our air gateways to Asia.

Things have changed considerably. And not for the good. Los Angeles County makes it very hard to do anything now. Southern California Air Quality Management District adds another layer. Then the people up in Sacramento put the icing on the cake.

California is still anti-business.
US as a whole stopped being "business friendly" since late 90s an early 2000s, high wages, high overhead and complicated taxation system making sure everything that's not primary produce (you don't have high overhead except for the farm, which you usually own) or banking is seriously discouraged. But if you are a big corpo, that's cool because you have way more tax option than any SME. Profit margin is way too low to conduct business in the US.

On the other hand, Tariff, if used correctly, is a tool to maintain economic balance, tariff make foreign product harder to flood the American market, which in turn protect small business and retain economic edge, not in the case on how Trump did it, the "baseline" tariff in effect is a sales tax, most country have them (we in Australia have them, it's called Goods and Service Tax or GST), the UK called it VAT, this is simply a add on tax when you levy tariff against everyone and everything.


Most tariff to and from America before this are controlled tariffed or triggered tariff. Which basically won't enact until the a certain amount of quota was met, Canada had a 206% tariff on US dairy, that was a TRQ (Tariff Rate Quota), which only kicks in when US supplies more than 3.6% of Canadian Dairy Market, it was never enacted because US export less than 3.6% of the entire Canadian Market, the US have the same things on Japanese Car, Canadian Alunumium and Steel, Chinese Textile/Garment, even broom


 
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Americans turn to “reverse buying” trips to China to save on shopping costs via tax refunds​

By Dimsumdaily Hong Kong
-8:20AM Sun April 20, 2025

20th April 2025 – (Beijing) As the Trump administration’s tariff policies grow increasingly stringent, many Americans are opting for “reverse buying” trips to China to save on shopping costs. Ellis, an American residing in Chengdu, revealed in an interview on 17th April that she and her friends have been considering trips to China for shopping. With the introduction of a 240-hour visa-free policy and tax refund incentives for international travelers, they calculated significant savings. For instance, a luxury handbag priced at 10,000 RMB in China could save buyers approximately 1,000 RMB after tax refunds.

Ellis noted that rising tariffs often lead businesses to pass increased costs onto consumers, which many are unwilling to accept. She mentioned spotting videos on social media where Americans shared plans to visit China, taking advantage of visa-free entry and tax refunds while encouraging friends to help each other with purchasing goods. According to Ellis, Chengdu’s shopping malls, such as IFS and SKP, offer “immediate tax refund” services, making them highly appealing to international visitors.

In addition to shopping, Ellis highlighted the appeal of cultural attractions like pandas, which make souvenirs such as panda toys and tea leaves excellent value-for-money purchases. She added that combining travel with helping friends and family purchase items could offset travel expenses, making such trips even more practical. Ellis believes that China’s tax refund policies are a driving force in attracting international tourists, allowing them to enjoy local culture and buy high-quality goods at competitive prices.

This trend has also gained traction among American students. One student, Li Xiaomiao (alias), shared that students exchange discount tips in mutual support groups and often seek help purchasing everyday items. Many products, from makeup brushes to phone cases and rice cookers, are significantly cheaper in China. For example, Li noted that insulated water bottles cost 100 RMB less in China compared to the US. While uncertain about how tariff hikes might affect her daily expenses, she emphasized frugality and encouraged classmates from other countries to visit China for shopping opportunities.

China’s recent efforts to optimize immigration policies have further facilitated this trend. As of 17th December, 2024, the country implemented a 240-hour visa-free policy for travellers from 54 countries. The policy expanded eligible entry points from 39 to 60 and increased applicable provinces from 19 to 24. According to the National Immigration Administration, the number of foreign travellers entering China surged by 40.2% year-on-year by 31st March, 2025, reaching 9.215 million, with 6.57 million using the visa-free policy.

On 8th April, China’s State Taxation Administration announced the nationwide rollout of an “immediate tax refund” service for international travellers, previously available only as a pilot program. Under current regulations, foreign visitors who stay in China for less than 183 consecutive days can claim an 11% tax refund on purchases exceeding 500 RMB per store per day. This move is expected to further boost international tourism and consumer spending.
 

How Trump’s trade war will send American shoppers flooding to China​

By Dimsumdaily Hong Kong

8:43AM Sun April 20, 2025

20th April 2025 – (Beijing) The Trump administration’s escalating trade war with China was supposed to punish Beijing and bring manufacturing jobs back to America. Instead, it’s creating an unexpected boom in one sector: Chinese tourism. As US tariffs push retail prices to untenable levels—with Christmas decorations set to double in cost and luxury goods becoming prohibitively expensive—a growing wave of middle-class Americans are discovering the loophole in Trump’s protectionist policies. Why pay inflated prices at home when you can fly to China, shop tax-free, and enjoy a holiday for less than the cost of stateside retail markups?

This retail exodus is being fuelled by two strategic policy moves from Beijing. First, China’s dramatic expansion of visa-free transit from 144 to 240 hours (10 full days) allows Americans to turn what would have been a tedious layover into a full-fledged shopping spree across major cities like Shanghai, Beijing, and Guangzhou. Second, the nationwide rollout of instant VAT refunds at point of purchase—where foreign tourists receive 11% cash back immediately—effectively makes China the world’s largest duty-free shopping mall.

Consider a Louis Vuitton handbag that retails for $2,000 in New York. After Trump’s 145% tariffs on Chinese-made luxury goods, that same bag now costs over $4,900 stateside. Fly to China, buy it for the original $2,000, claim a $220 instant VAT refund, and suddenly you’re paying $1,780—a savings of $3,120 that more than covers your airfare. This explains why Chengdu’s SKP mall and Shanghai’s Nanjing Road are seeing unprecedented numbers of American shoppers clutching newly purchased luxury goods and stacks of refund receipts.

Christmas shopping provides the most striking example of this trend. Yiwu—the Zhejiang province city that manufactures 90% of America’s holiday decorations—has become an unlikely tourist destination. Where U.S. retailers now face impossible 145% tariffs on Chinese-made ornaments, American families are bypassing middlemen entirely. They’re flying to Shanghai, taking the bullet train to Yiwu’s wholesale markets, and loading suitcases with direct-from-factory Christmas trees, lights, and decorations at 70% below US retail prices—all while enjoying 10 visa-free days exploring China’s holiday production capital.

The phenomenon extends beyond luxury goods and seasonal items. U.S. college students have formed “China buying clubs” where group trips are organised to purchase everything from $20 insulated water bottles (half the U.S. price) to designer knockoffs unavailable stateside. Social media feeds now brim with tutorials on “The China Shopping Hack”—complete with spreadsheets comparing airfare costs against projected tariff savings for various product categories.

Meanwhile, iShowSpeed, the Ohio-born YouTube sensation with 37 million followers, is transforming how Americans perceive China through his recent viral livestreams from Beijing and Shanghai. His six-hour adventures showcased a vibrant and welcoming side of the country rarely highlighted in Western media: clean streets, fast subway internet, friendly locals challenging him to ping-pong, and delicious street food. With highlights like climbing the Great Wall, exploring the Forbidden City, and playing basketball with Chinese teenagers, his content has amassed 10 million views in just days, earning praise from Chinese state media as an example of fostering “mutual understanding” amid global tensions.

This shift in perspective is significant for shopping tourism. iShowSpeed’s unfiltered excitement portrays China as an accessible and fun destination, countering years of negative stereotypes. His massive Gen Z fanbase now sees China as a must-visit spot rather than just a manufacturing hub, while his enthusiasm for local culture, such as raving about 5G speeds and bonding with locals over basketball, helps break down barriers that often deter casual travellers.

Beijing has been quick to capitalise on this unexpected tourism windfall. Beyond the VAT refunds, China’s State Taxation Administration has partnered with Alipay and WeChat Pay to enable digital refund processing, while luxury boutiques in major cities now employ English-speaking staff specifically trained to assist American shoppers. The timing couldn’t be more fortuitous for China’s economy—just as its exports face Trump’s trade barriers, wealthy Western consumers are arriving to compensate by spending directly in Chinese stores.

While Trump’s tariffs were intended to harm Chinese manufacturers, they have inadvertently created a new economic ecosystem where American shoppers actively bypass their domestic retail sector. Chinese e-commerce platforms are now capitalising on this trend by offering “shopping tour packages” that include flights, hotels, and personal shoppers, further fuelling the phenomenon. Meanwhile, U.S. retailers are left powerless as their customers flock to China, credit cards in hand, turning what was meant to be a trade war into an unexpected tourism boom. For many, the allure of luxury goods at significantly lower prices, coupled with tax refunds, has transformed these trips into a practical alternative to shopping stateside.

What began as a political manoeuvre has given rise to a distinct travel niche—the tariff-avoidance shopping holiday. With 10-day visa-free entries, travellers turn layovers into full-fledged shopping trips, taking advantage of instant 11% VAT refunds that make luxury items 30-50% cheaper than in the U.S. Major hubs like Yiwu’s Christmas markets now cater directly to Americans dodging 145% tariffs, while Chinese luxury boutiques staff English-speaking consultants to serve their growing foreign clientele. For U.S. college students, group trips organised by “buying clubs” have become a strategy to sidestep inflated campus store prices. The result is a unique economic shift, where a Chanel bag and a vacation in Shanghai can cost less than buying the same product in the U.S., making Trump’s tariffs an unintended driver of China-bound tourism.

 
LOL, already predicted...

I wonder how feasible it would be to hop over the border to Canada or Mexico to buy an iPhone and then bring it back into the US as a used personal item.

The difference in price might pay for the trip and then some. Travel agencies could organize 'iPhone safaris'.
 
LOL, already predicted...

Sure maybe Canada but there is not going to be massive shopping trips to China. Maybe Chinese-Americans...but other than that not many others. Th OP author is having some fantasy.

What exactly are they expecting these American shopping tourists to buy over in China that they could not get elsewhere (like Canada) without such a long trip? It certainly isn't insulated water bottles.
 
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