Turkish Air Defence Programs

[Eşbah]

Why did he name is Achilles Dome. lol, Turkey gonna build "Achilles Heel" Anti Radiation missile. lol

Shield of Achilles - Wikipedia

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They call it Shield of Achilles. It has a slightly different meaning but I agree, there are better names.

 

[Foinikas]

Perhaps the most challenging or rather the most thought-provoking point for a country is already the procurement of ammunition. Because if this ammunition is not used, your money literally melts away. Buying in large quantities is problematic, buying in small quantities is also problematic, and even if you buy in what you consider to be the ideal amount, it is still problematic. Ammunition procurement is truly a troublesome issue, especially the expensive ones.

It seems that Greece is investing its limited funds into platforms within a limited timeframe. I think once it increases the number of platforms, it will turn towards ammunition procurement.

Again,very good point. The problem with Greece is that...well we tend to buy stuff in batches or like the guys on defence sites say "salami style purchases". For example,who signs a deal for 3+1 frigates(when he knows he needs to retire at least 9 frigates)and doesn't activate the option for the 4th frigate until the locked price expires? Or who buys 18 Rafale only to decide like a year later,that he wants 6 more? And that's just a couple of recent examples.

The other problem is that Greece often buys very good weapons and very good systems, but for some reason we make bad FOS deals. We often buy something top quality and the goverment decides to let it rot after the initial FOS expires.

The other problem is that we often buy smaller amounts of large caliber ammunition than we should have. Of course Greece can't fight a long war with Turkey,but sometimes decisions to buy small numbers of a missile or tank ammo or anti-ship missile are baffling. Like for example countries usually place big orders for something so that it comes cheaper.

I think Israel’s air defense systems stand out more than the European systems because they have been used on the battlefield.
And since Greece, together with Israel, wants to play against Turkey, it seems like Greece wants to hit two birds with one stone. That’s why turning towards Israeli air defense systems makes sense. Another reason is Europe’s genuinely slow production and decision-making process.

There were some advantages in buying European stuff: If we got the IRIS-T SLM,Greece has been manufacturing part of the missiles for years,so there's that. If we chose the SAMP-T,we'd have a common AA missile with the Navy,since the FDI will be using the Aster-30. When it comes to Israeli stuff,I like the Iron Dome,but that would be more suitable for the islands to protect against any long range artillery and rockets. The David's Sling system is also very good,but expensive. I don't know about the Barak MX except that Indians shot down one of their helicopters with it in 2019

 

[WARSIDT]

Again,very good point. The problem with Greece is that...well we tend to buy stuff in batches or like the guys on defence sites say "salami style purchases". For example,who signs a deal for 3+1 frigates(when he knows he needs to retire at least 9 frigates)and doesn't activate the option for the 4th frigate until the locked price expires? Or who buys 18 Rafale only to decide like a year later,that he wants 6 more? And that's just a couple of recent examples.

The other problem is that Greece often buys very good weapons and very good systems, but for some reason we make bad FOS deals. We often buy something top quality and the goverment decides to let it rot after the initial FOS expires.

The other problem is that we often buy smaller amounts of large caliber ammunition than we should have. Of course Greece can't fight a long war with Turkey,but sometimes decisions to buy small numbers of a missile or tank ammo or anti-ship missile are baffling. Like for example countries usually place big orders for something so that it comes cheaper.

I don’t have a solid answer to most of it. Greece might want to reduce the number and focus on quality when it comes to its navy the ships they’ve acquired are already quite good. But this also raises the question: can these 4 ships really cover the role of 10? Don’t focus too much on the numbers I gave, since I don’t know the exact figures.

Maybe they’re trying to optimize their money by considering a limited conflict with Türkiye. Still, there’s an issue: for a country that wants to extract natural gas from the sea, has such a large maritime area and numerous islands, the current number of ships already seems insufficient.

There were some advantages in buying European stuff: If we got the IRIS-T SLM,Greece has been manufacturing part of the missiles for years,so there's that. If we chose the SAMP-T,we'd have a common AA missile with the Navy,since the FDI will be using the Aster-30. When it comes to Israeli stuff,I like the Iron Dome,but that would be more suitable for the islands to protect against any long range artillery and rockets. The David's Sling system is also very good,but expensive. I don't know about the Barak MX except that Indians shot down one of their helicopters with it in 2019

If Greece is as you say with European systems, it makes a lot of sense to proceed with European air defense systems. Honestly, if there is already an established system, buying different equipment would only complicate it further. And if the funds are limited, European air defense systems seem very logical.

Wasn’t even surprised India took down its own helicopter. :I

 

[Foinikas]

don’t have a solid answer to most of it. Greece might want to reduce the number and focus on quality when it comes to its navy the ships they’ve acquired are already quite good. But this also raises the question: can these 4 ships really cover the role of 10? Don’t focus too much on the numbers I gave, since I don’t know the exact figures.

No,the Navy wants at least 13 frigates,we can't cover the Aegean and the East Med.

And that's where two schools of thought developed among the people commenting on defence sites and various retired navy officers who are sometimes hosted by the greek sites: The ones who want many small and capable ships and the ones who want a focus on fewer,but more heavily armed and high-tech ones.

Some were deluded by misinformation that Greece was being offered Ticoderoga or even Arleigh Burke back in 2020-2021....

Maybe they’re trying to optimize their money by considering a limited conflict with Türkiye. Still, there’s an issue: for a country that wants to extract natural gas from the sea, has such a large maritime area and numerous islands, the current number of ships already seems insufficient.

Absolutely correct! 100%

You see,after the deal for 3+1 FDI HN,the government and the Navy were thinking of buying some corvettes. The French offered the Gowind. But at first they offered it at a high price. The Italians then offered the FCX-30. In 2022,the negotiations with both of them reached a point were the offers were great. Then the Dutch offered the Sigma 10514 again. All seemed that we would buy the Gowind HN. Even if we changed from 4 corvettes to 3+1 and then to just 3. And 2023 came and nothing happened. And then the government decided not to buy corvettes. The wanted to get 4 used LCS Freedom from the Americans. With their 57mm guns and Hellfire missiles. But "free". Even if they needed upgrades and repairs. But our Navy asked for 4 specific ships and they refused to give them,so that failed as well.

So no corvettes,no LCS,no MEKO upgrade. And in fall 2024 and all through 2025,Dendias announces we'll buy a 4th FDI HN and upgrade the MEKO.

Meanwhile,Bahceli was like

Wasn’t even surprised India took down its own helicopter. :I

I don't understand how a country like India with such a record,doesn't reduce the size of their Air Force and instead focus on UAVs and loitering munitions. They crash everything,they have the potential for mass production of UAVs,they could use thousands of FPV drones too. Unless they crash those too

 

[MMM-E]

They still don't understand GAME OVER for Greece


Greece has no chance in a long term conflict
There is no longer a Türkiye with only 50 SLAM-ER Cruise Missiles for offensive capability

Türkiye now produces highly advanced weapons that even major European countries like France , Germany and The UK do not have

Air to Ground Missiles/guided munition
-- 50 km MAM-T IIR seeker
-- 60 km ALPAGUT with IIR-TV seeker
-- 100+ km EREN high speed loitering munition with IIR seeker
-- 110 km SDB
-- 110 km TOLUN-IIR seeker
-- 110 km KGK with RF seeker
-- 40 km KUZGUN-KY modular Missile with IIR seeker
-- 100+ km KUZGUN-SS with IIR or RF seeker
-- 70+ km IHA-122 laser guided supersonic Missile
-- 150+ km IHA-230 laser guided supersonic Ballistic Missile
-- 500 + km 300-ER supersonic Ballistic Missile with TV seeker
-- AKBABA supersonic anti-radiation Missile with RF seeker.. ( under development )


Naval Systems
-- 40 km KUZGUN-KY modular Missile with IIR seeker
-- 100+ km EREN high speed loitering munition with IIR seeker
-- 150+ km KUZGUN-TJ with IIR or RF seeker
-- 150+ km CAKIR anti-ship and land attack with hybrid seeker IIR+RF
-- 220+ km ATMACA anti-ship Missile with RF seeker and dual seeker ( RF+IIR )
-- 1.000 km GEZGIN land attack Cruise Missile


Cruise Missiles
-- 150+ km KUZGUN-TJ with IIR or RF seeker
-- 100/150 km KEMANKES-1/2 with E/O Camera
-- 700 km SUPER LIGHTNING with E/O Camera
-- 150+ km CAKIR anti-ship and land attack with hybrid seeker IIR+RF
-- 280 km SOM anti-ship and land attack with IIR Seeker
-- 220+ km ATMACA anti-ship Missile with RF seeker and dual seeker ( RF+IIR )
-- 1.000 km GEZGIN land attack Cruise Missile for the Navy


LAND SYSTEMS
-- 30+ km TRLG-122 guided Missile ( MLRS )
-- 70 km TRLG-230 guided Missile ( MLRS )
-- 120 km TRG-300 guided Missile ( MLRS )
-- 40 km KUZGUN-KY modular Missile with IIR seeker
-- 100+ km EREN high speed loitering munition with IIR seeker
-- 150 km GOKTAN ground launched small diameter Bomb
-- 150 km YILDIRIM ( J600T ) Tactical Ballistic Missile ... supersonic
-- 280 km BORA ( KHAN ) Tactical Ballistic Missile ... supersonic
-- 150 km KEMANKES-2 mini Cruise Missile with AI assisted EO Camera
-- 500 km SIMSEK-K kamikaze Drone
-- 560-1.500+ km TAYFUN medium-range Ballistic Missile (MRBM) .. hypersonic
-- 1.500+ km CENK medium-range Ballistic Missile (MRBM).. hypersonic ..( under development )
-- 400+ km KARA-ATMACA surface-to-surface Cruise Missile
-- 1.000 km GEZGIN surface-to-surface Cruise Missile


Also around 1.000 HARPOON , SLAM-ER , POPEYE , HARM , JSOW , ATACMS


Important Notice
Greece is buying with limited numbers but Turkiye is producing as how many units as we want

and Air Defense Missiles are so expensive $1-2 million per unit
on the other hand Turkish cost effective missiles/guided munitions ( $50.000 )

 

[hyperman]

Why does it concern you? You are not a Turk. Just read and go
stop terrorize Turkish threads with your French buddy

and its not propaganda but its reality
Turkish Defense Industry ( total military projects have risen to over 1.100 from 22 led by President ERDOGAN in the last 20 years )

President ERDOGAN attaches great importance to the defense industry

topıc is over with you .. dont reply me

@MMM-E when you make posts, just don't mention greece or make fun of them, it creates needless drama.

@Foinikas try to keep the posts on topic of Air Defense please.

 

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[Eşbah]

Why Türkiye’s Steel Dome Is Different: ROKETSAN CEO at DSEI 2025

Turkish arms giant ROKETSAN CEO Murat Ikinci:

All our products—from air defense to ballistic missiles—are already in serial production.

Our system integrates Hisar, Siper, Sungur, and more into a layered architecture.

The key difference?

It’s fully national. Radar, sensors, and missiles are all Turkish. We are not dependent on any other country.

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[MMM-E]

TÜBİTAK BİLGEM's "IŞIK" 20 kW High Power Laser System passed critical acceptance tests!

Blinding up to 5 km
Destroying moving targets up to 1.5 km
Modular design suitable for integration into land and naval platforms

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[Oublious]

Top attack for a sea skiming target?

 

[Merzifonlu]

Top attack for a sea skiming target?

Yes, it seems so.

 

[hyperman]

ASELSAN's Giant Leap: OĞULBEY Technology Base!

This $1.5 billion investment will become Europe's largest air defense production center.

The base will produce ASELSAN's critical defense products, primarily air defense systems, radar, and electronic warfare technologies, and will multiply its production capacity.

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[Eşbah]

Steel Dome Orders:

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2023: ~ 600M €
2024: ~ 1B €

It is good to see that the government is prioritizing air defence capacities in general.

Plus, 14 Korkut Systems (42 firing units) already delivered and 120 Oerlikon MKE GDF-003B units of which many are modernized or being currently in the process of.

In a couple of years, the Turkish AD network is going to become very impressive and "closed-meshed" for a country of the size of Türkiye.

We are closing another gap here and gaining critical capabilities - without foreign assistance or interference, I might add.

 

[Oublious]

Normal i would never use amry regecognition as source but this is a confirmed news.

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Qatar Weighs Türkiye's Aselsan Steel Dome Air Defense After Ministerial Talks​

Qatar Weighs Türkiye's Aselsan Steel Dome Air Defense After Ministerial Talks

Qatar is weighing Aselsan’s Steel Dome system after an Oct. 28 Ankara visit, with Barzan-linked factory ties offering local assembly and sustainment options.

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