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Interesting, wonder if there is any pictures of the Block 2 and if there is a mobile launcher. How many years until its in service/full production?
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Turkey should have started the development of a 4th generation fighter jet as well. Fifth generation fighter jets are not going to replace 4th generation jets entirely in the future; more capable 4th generation fighter jets will continue to be developed. Advancements in radar, IRST, satellite, and other technologies to detect aircraft may eventually render stealth geometry less effective. But, 4th generation fighter jets will always have their place and will remain the mainstay of all major air forces around the world. The USAF is also looking into the development of a new 4th generation fighter jet to replace the F-16, which they have called "5th generation minus."
Turkey has paid 23 billion USD for just 40 F16 block 70 and upgrade kits for existing fleet of F16, F16 is also a fourth generation fighter jet
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The US is not looking at developing a new 4th gen aircraft, where did you get this stuff?
With regards to a cheaper fighter, Turkey is building a Lead In fighter based on the Hurjet as well as Wingman drones like the the Anka 4 and Kizilelma to compliment the KAAN.
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“The Air Force will consider a ‘clean-sheet design’ for a new ‘four-and-a-half-gen or fifth-gen-minus’ fighter as a direct replacement for the F-16s currently in service,” said Brown, adding the service has already launched a study to look at possible alternatives.
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“The Air Force will consider a ‘clean-sheet design’ for a new ‘four-and-a-half-gen or fifth-gen-minus’ fighter as a direct replacement for the F-16s currently in service,” said Brown, adding the service has already launched a study to look at possible alternatives.
The U.S. Air Force Just Admitted The F-35 Stealth Fighter Has Failed
The U.S. Air Force’s chief of staff wants the service to develop an affordable, lightweight fighter to replace hundreds of aging F-16s and complement a small fleet of sophisticated F-35 stealth fighters. But an affordable, lightweight fighter is exactly what the F-35 was first conceived to be.Watch US’ Latest Fighter Jets That Could Sideline The F-35s & Replace The Iconic F-16 Jets
Watch US' Latest Fighter Jets That Could Sideline The F-35s & Replace The Iconic F-16 Jets
Even as the US Air Force is hunting for advanced jets to replace F-16s, independent experts have floated a new design called 'F-36 Kingsnake' pitching it as America's next fighter jet.
Yeah I heard about this, but its supposed to be a fighter version of the T-7 trainer potentially, honestly it sounds more like USAF corruption than anything else, Boeing lost out on the contracts for the F-22 and the F-35, Northrup is getting the Bombers contracts, so that leaves Boeing out, so probably some Boeing lobbying going on pitching the T-7 variant.
T-7 Arrives At Edwards, USAF Eyeing Light Fighter Version
Formal T-7 flight testing is now set to begin and talk about an F-7 fighter version could have broader ramifications for the Air Force.
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KIZILELMA flying to the tune of the Sakarya Turkusu.....
English translation of the Sakaray Turkusu (by Ustad Nejip Fazil):
Human it is, like water, flows fold by fold
I flow from one side, and Sakarya from the other.
Water goes down from the slope, always step by step
And my fate is to be thirsty on the slopes
Everything flows, water, history, stars, humans and ideas
Channels are dual, from one flows divine light, from the other, dirt
Little, big, universe; bundled amidst the flow
Look at that cloud!, climbing in spite of the descending water!
But Sakarya is different, as if it is climbing a hill.
A load of lead burdens it’s foamed body
Cracking, straining to tear down the flow
Hey Sakarya, who said that water cannot be riveted ?
If Allah wills, waters will be twisted fold by fold
And on Sakarya’s back, Turkish history would be written
Alas, Alas my Sakarya, has this burden fallen on you?
This cause is contemptible, this cause is orphan, this cause is big!
What a severe test that you are dealing with, Sakarya!
How can a canary carry a an eagle with 1001 heads?
I thought that it was human, who would carry the sacred burden
Being a porter carried no rank in the end, with no wealth
Only a painful bite, from the meal cooked with poison
And separation from mother, country and friend
Now be frantic with sorrow, it is time for sorrow
Remember the old suns, that ran to history!
Remember when Yunus Emre was walking by your side
That, army which strew glittering dome after dome behind you
Where are your brothers, the generous Nile, green Danube
When will the glorious raider that left, returns to his home Do the Takbeer’s still crash on the pulses of the marble?
Does the mad wind find that voice : Allah is one! All these are within you, these complex puzzles
Sakarya, nights poured tar on candles
Equal to conscience, boil, boil O Sakarya
You are estranged on your own land, a pariah in your own land
Humans, are 3-5 drops of blood, rivers 3-5 drops of water
We face a life, that seeks to ambush life
Came; the mortal lie, gone; the immortal truth
You! living deaths, who will bring you to life?
If they were to hang Mount Qaf, maybe something would come out of it But your question from this complication, would not be enough Sakarya, honest children of clean Anatolia
Only we are left, on the path to Allah!
You and me, we are made of dough made with tears
Let them look at our color, we are from blood and mud Fate kneaded us in the pincers of the scorpion
Don’t bother, this world came like this and it will leave like this!
To me; the bed is shroud(sheets used in graves), to you the pool is a coffin
You fold, I go, our guide is the Last Prophet!
The path belongs to HIM, everything is HIS, everything else is drudgery;
You crawled too much, stand up, O Sakarya!
English translation of the Sakaray Turkusu (by Ustad Nejip Fazil):
Human it is, like water, flows fold by fold
I flow from one side, and Sakarya from the other.
Water goes down from the slope, always step by step
And my fate is to be thirsty on the slopes
Everything flows, water, history, stars, humans and ideas
Channels are dual, from one flows divine light, from the other, dirt
Little, big, universe; bundled amidst the flow
Look at that cloud!, climbing in spite of the descending water!
But Sakarya is different, as if it is climbing a hill.
A load of lead burdens it’s foamed body
Cracking, straining to tear down the flow
Hey Sakarya, who said that water cannot be riveted ?
If Allah wills, waters will be twisted fold by fold
And on Sakarya’s back, Turkish history would be written
Alas, Alas my Sakarya, has this burden fallen on you?
This cause is contemptible, this cause is orphan, this cause is big!
What a severe test that you are dealing with, Sakarya!
How can a canary carry a an eagle with 1001 heads?
I thought that it was human, who would carry the sacred burden
Being a porter carried no rank in the end, with no wealth
Only a painful bite, from the meal cooked with poison
And separation from mother, country and friend
Now be frantic with sorrow, it is time for sorrow
Remember the old suns, that ran to history!
Remember when Yunus Emre was walking by your side
That, army which strew glittering dome after dome behind you
Where are your brothers, the generous Nile, green Danube
When will the glorious raider that left, returns to his home Do the Takbeer’s still crash on the pulses of the marble?
Does the mad wind find that voice : Allah is one! All these are within you, these complex puzzles
Sakarya, nights poured tar on candles
Equal to conscience, boil, boil O Sakarya
You are estranged on your own land, a pariah in your own land
Humans, are 3-5 drops of blood, rivers 3-5 drops of water
We face a life, that seeks to ambush life
Came; the mortal lie, gone; the immortal truth
You! living deaths, who will bring you to life?
If they were to hang Mount Qaf, maybe something would come out of it But your question from this complication, would not be enough Sakarya, honest children of clean Anatolia
Only we are left, on the path to Allah!
You and me, we are made of dough made with tears
Let them look at our color, we are from blood and mud Fate kneaded us in the pincers of the scorpion
Don’t bother, this world came like this and it will leave like this!
To me; the bed is shroud(sheets used in graves), to you the pool is a coffin
You fold, I go, our guide is the Last Prophet!
The path belongs to HIM, everything is HIS, everything else is drudgery;
You crawled too much, stand up, O Sakarya!
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The latest F-16 Block 70 is not cheap; it costs almost as much as an F-35. Turkey bought 40 F-16 Block 70 jets and upgrade kits for its existing fleet of F-16s at a cost of $23 billion. The USA can develop a new 4th generation fighter jet from scratch that could be more capable than the F-22 Raptor, F-35, Rafale, and Eurofighter Typhoon, except for the stealth geometry.Yeah I heard about this, but its supposed to be a fighter version of the T-7 trainer potentially, honestly it sounds more like USAF corruption than anything else, Boeing lost out on the contracts for the F-22 and the F-35, Northrup is getting the Bombers contracts, so that leaves Boeing out, so probably some Boeing lobbying going on pitching the T-7 variant.
T-7 Arrives At Edwards, USAF Eyeing Light Fighter Version
Formal T-7 flight testing is now set to begin and talk about an F-7 fighter version could have broader ramifications for the Air Force.
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Turkiye modernize its F-16 fleet for block70 standard and buys 40 new F-16V
( TURAF will have the best 4.5 gen Fighter Jet fleet in the region )
So 270 F-16 Block70 Fighter Jets with APG-83 and MURAD AESA Radars will be enough for the Turkish Air Force
Also 4 stealth platforms will rule the sky
KAAN , KIZILELMA , ANKA-3 and ANKA-4 ... manned and unmanned steealth Fighter Jets
Also HURJET is coming with MURAD AESA Radar
No need dog fights
BVR combat is so easy
We prefer HURJET with MURAD AESA Radar and 200 km GOKHAN air to air missiles instead of Egyptian RAFALE Fighter Jet armed with only 60 km MICA or Egyptian F-16s without AIM-120 air to air missile
Also HURJET will able to fire Turkish cruise missiles 150 km CAKIR , 180+ km KUZGUN-TJ , 280 km SOM while Greek and Egyptian F-16s lacks land attack cruise Missile
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Thats the upward limit and theoretical price, Turkey is not paying $23 billion.
Also, Stealth Geometry is not what makes a plane expensive. it the other stuff that makes it expensive. Sensors and sensor fusion etc etc. Anyways, the article you linked is talking about a light cheap fighter, if I had to guess its going to be a T-7 derivative.
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Its being scaled back like people predicted, it would have been $23 billion if they bought the max value of the package offered, Turkey wants to renegotiate prices and what specifically it will receive as well as allow for them to produce them in Turkey as much as possible, and permission to modify with its own subsystems when applicable, so the money gets recycled in Turkey somewhat.
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I tell you,if the deal with the Saudis goes well,prepare for a loooot of money.
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My knowledge of intergovernmental military purchase agreements is limited, but I have been informed by others that the $23 billion price tag is essentially an initial asking price. It is likely that the final negotiated amount will be significantly lower once the discussions are concluded.
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