Turkish Air Force | News & Discussions

[FuturePAF]

Americans suddenly releasing F35s to Turkiye and they will demand S400 to be transferred in Saudi, Qatar or some reports suggesting it may go to Pakistan.... so try to understand the game.... this is making skies clear for Israel.... first transfer S400 to any of above countries and once Israel attacks delay F35 deliveries....

Westerners are playing such dirty games since centuries and still Asia doesn't learn...

That’s probably my why a transfer to Azerbaijan is best for Turkey; close enough to be transferred back if need be.

 

[FuturePAF]

1 -- If the US give 80 F-110 engines, 40 KAAN Fighter Jets can be delivered to the Turkish Air Force between 2029 and 2031.

All systems are getting ready including MURAD-600A AESA Radar , FEWS EW Suite , EOTS , IRST , 185-200+ km ramjet powered air to air Missiles


2 -- Turkiye was a global partner of the F-35 program and payment was made for 6 F-35s, and Turkish F-35s were produced.

since 2019 , 6 F-35s are being held in storage .
5 F-35s can be handed over to Türkiye as soon as possible after CAATSA sanctions are lifted

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Türkiye should insist on getting the already built planes on Turkish soil before the end of the year, and the change in congress next year. Otherwise, the next congress will bury these birds in red tape, if only to punish Trump.

 

[MMM-E]

Türkiye should insist on getting the already built planes on Turkish soil before the end of the year, and the change in congress next year. Otherwise, the next congress will bury these birds in red tape, if only to punish Trump.

Once the S-400 issue is resolved, nobody will be able to make excuses

 

[xbat]

Neither S400 nor F35 are vital for Turkey anymore, they are at the past, we have Siper, ANKA3, KE now and very soon KAAN. I am aginst any further purchase from abroad like EF , F35 or any other. all of them have strong strings with manufacturer and burden our budget, we dont really need them. Lets take our 6F35s and then finish, we dont need more.

 

[GoatsMilk]

I think the americans also know that another 5 years and no one will talk about buying foreign planes again in Turkiye. They probably realise if we don't sell this shit now to Turks, they wont look to buy in the short term.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Neither S400 nor F35 are vital for Turkey anymore, they are at the past, we have Siper, ANKA3, KE now and very soon KAAN. I am aginst any further purchase from abroad like EF , F35 or any other. all of them have strong strings with manufacturer and burden our budget, we dont really need them. Lets take our 6F35s and then finish, we dont need more.

The s400 was never vital nor useful for us too few systems and no active use. The F35 are vital as way to learn about the capabilities about the most capable weapon system the Israelis have.

 

[xbat]

The s400 was never vital nor useful for us too few systems and no active use. The F35 are vital as way to learn about the capabilities about the most capable weapon system the Israelis have.

We have pilots and maintanence personnel for F35 who already got training in US, and our companies produced many componets , i dont think that we need them.

lets see what our threats

1- isreal and greece, no way to use it against them because of F35s remote controllable features, US can block mission easily.
Our latest block 50+ F16s cant be used against Cyprus, US will stipulate more conditions like that

2- Russia and iran , both of them in war and would be suicidal another front with Turkey

rest is unimportant,

our EW,ES systems already detect F35 data and analyize it, we dont really need them.
i said take our 6 planes and no more order, you can get further data from them, afaik we ordered 20+ planes they are still OK(due to to agreement) but please no more.
EF , F16B70 and F16 Lockeed upgrades are foolish.

 

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Turkish Air Force vs F-35


Boeing E-7T AEWC can detect the F-35 from 110+ km away but there is a risk of being shot down by an F-35 ( 160+ km AIM-120C8 air to air Missile )

ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft can paralyze F-35's Radar to detect the E-7T AEWC from 70 km

That means , the combination of a Boeing E-7T, ASOJ-23A and multiple KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jets can defeat F-35, during they exploit a specific "network-centric" tactical playbook

Turkish Air Force
-- Boeing E-7T AEWC to detect the F-35
-- ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft to paralyze F-35's Radar
-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet to hit the F-35 by BVR Missile

 

[FuturePAF]

Once the S-400 issue is resolved, nobody will be able to make excuses

If that were true, and things ran according to the letter of the agreements, we Americans would have more faith in congress.

 

[hyperman]

Türkiye should insist on getting the already built planes on Turkish soil before the end of the year, and the change in congress next year. Otherwise, the next congress will bury these birds in red tape, if only to punish Trump.

Yes, thats a big part, all the sanctions removed and those planes in storage need to be in Turkey before the end for 2026.

 

[The SC]

Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan:"There will be no problem in Turkey obtaining the F-35 fighter jets for which we paid five or six years ago.

We have paid the value of those fighter jets, and they are still sitting in one of the hangars waiting for us to receive them."

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KIZILELMA will be delivered to the Turkish Air Force in 2026


The 5th aircraft of KIZILELMA's serial production has been captured on camera for the first time.

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--- First time in the World ---

BVR combat : In November 2025, KIZILELMA became the world's first unmanned stealth Fighter Jet to achieve this feat by detecting an aerial target with its AESA Radar and striking it with the BVR air-to-air Missile

Intelligent Fleet Autonomy: Two KIZILELMA performed coordinated close formation flight without human intervention, guided by artificial intelligence algorithms

 

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Very few People remember this fact


in 2000 ( 25 years ago ) Turkiye had the 2nd strongest Air Force in NATO after USA


Turkish Air Force : 240 F-16
-- excellent for multi-role
-- good in dogfight
-- BVR combat with AIM-120

The UK : 250 Panavia Tornado
-- poor performance for dogfight

France : 150 Mirage-2000 and 100 Mirage F-1
-- limited air to ground attack capability


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The 2nd strongest Air Force again in NATO by 2030-2032 ?

If the US lifts CAATSA sanctions and delivers F-35s to Türkiye, the Turkish Air Force will once again become the second strongest in NATO from 2030 onwards


1-- 200 F-16s will be modernized with MURAD AESA Radar , FEWS EW Suite and 185-200+ km GOKBORA - GOKHAN ramjet powered air to air Missiles ( OZGUR-2 upgrade )

2-- 29 F-16 Block50+ will be armed with 160+ km AIM-120C8 air to air Missile

3-- 40 F-16V ( the deal is signed and officially in effect )

4-- 40 F-35A ( the USA certainly consider selling the F-35s back to Turkiye )

5-- 20 Eurofighter T-4 ( deliveries in 2030 )
Turkiye also plans to purchase 12 Eurofighter T-3A from Qatar and 12 Eurofighter T-3 from Oman

6-- 40 KAAN Block10 Fighter Jets with GE F-110 Engine

7-- 50 KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jets
MURAD AESA Radar , EOTS , IRST , FEWS-U EW Suite and 185+ km GOKBORA ramjet powered air to air Missile

8 -- 50 ANKA-III flying-wing stealth UCAVs
MURAD AESA Radar , EOTS , IRST for deep strike and SEAD-DEAD role

9 -- AKINCI strategic strike UCAVs
MURAD AESA Radar , ASELFLIR-600 E/O System , 500+ km 300-ER air launched Ballistic Missile , 200-280 km CAKIR and SOM Cruise Missiles

11-- HURJET for Close Air Support (CAS) mission

12 -- 4 Boeing E-7T AEWC with 600 km AESA Radar
Also , Turkiye develops its own ALP-200A Airborne Early Warning (AEW) radar system

13 -- 4 ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft to paralyze enemy Radars from 400 km away

14 -- KORAL-200 mobile Radar Electronic Warfare System

15 -- STEEL DOME layered Air Defense System
Also Turkiye plans to work with EUROSAM for SAMP-T ASTER Block1 NT Missile

16 -- ULUGBEY Global Positioning System
GOKTURK-1/2/3 , GOKTURK-Y and IMECE Military Satellites

17 -- Aselsan HAKİM Air Command and Control System ( C4ISR ) features one of the most advanced sensor fusion in the world

18 -- AI powered excellent Radar network with ALP-300G , ALP-400G , ALP-500G , ALP-600G , E-7T MESA , ALP-200A , AN/FPS-117 and Selex RAT-31DL S-L-V/UHF band Radars

19 -- Long range kamikaze Drones 900-1000-2000 km ( MIZRAK , SIVRISINEK , KUZGUN , SUPER LIGHTNING and K-2 )

20 -- Turkiye is one of 3 Countries in NATO that produced Cruise Missiles with its own turbojet Engines ... ( USA , Turkiye and France )

 

[The SC]

The Turkish company BAYKAR has successfully announced a historic achievement consisting of the first successful test of launching an air-to-ground missile, supersonic "JET-230", from the KIZILELMA fighter drone (The Red Apple), and the aircraft accurately struck a maritime target from a distance exceeding 120 kilometers.

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The Turkish company BAYKAR has successfully announced a historic achievement consisting of the first successful test of launching an air-to-ground missile, supersonic "JET-230", from the KIZILELMA fighter drone (The Red Apple), and the aircraft accurately struck a maritime target from a distance exceeding 120 kilometers.

Good luck to enemy Air Defense Systems and Warships

300-ER air launched Ballistic Missile will be launched from KIZILELMA

Range : 500+ km
Speed : high supersonic ( mach 4 )
Seeker : TV camera seeker to hit even moving targets

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Nothing can engage on KIZILELMA when it attack from 500 km away

SAMP-T : 120-150 km
BARAK-MX : 150 km
PATRIOT : 160 km
HQ-9 : 200 km
DAVID's SLING : 300 km
S400 : 380 km

Air Defense Systems and Warships can not fire back at the KIZILELMA
They can only try to defend themselves from the incoming 300-ER Missiles

Unique capability in NATO