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[Nimble]

Unlikely given Turkey's partner status in the F35 programme, try harder with your cope.

I'm not saying this is surely going to happen.... this can be a possibility and you can never trust America when it comes to Israel....

 

[Corax]

I'm not saying this is surely going to happen.... this can be a possibility and you can never trust America when it comes to Israel....

On that we can both agree on.

 

[MMM-E]

Any system can be beaten if overwhelmed... that's not the point... it's like disarming country as much as possible to clear the skies for Israel

İn 2019 when Turkiye bought the S400s we had nothing to protect Turkish airspace

but now Turkiye has its own SIPER Air Defense System Family

and network centric SIPER will be more effective than the S400 (stand alone mode)

Range : 150+ km / 250+ km with booster
Altitude : 30 km
--450 km ALP-310G AESA Radar
-- Data link ( Link-16 , JREAP-C )


They think the F-35 is completely invisible.
The F-35's advantage lies against Fighter Jets with X band Radar

Turkiye has L-S-VHF/UHF band advanced Radars to detect the F-35 from 120+ km away

ALP-300G AESA Radar ( S band )
AN/FPS-117 AESA Radar ( L band )
Selex RAT-31DL AESA Radar ( L band )
also ALP-400G VHF/UHF band Radar .. ( under development )

An additional budget of $24 billion had been announced to produce indigenous Air Defense Systems including HISAR and SIPER

 

[FuturePAF]

Americans suddenly releasing F35s to Turkiye and they will demand S400 to be transferred in Saudi, Qatar or some reports suggesting it may go to Pakistan.... so try to understand the game.... this is making skies clear for Israel.... first transfer S400 to any of above countries and once Israel attacks delay F35 deliveries....

Westerners are playing such dirty games since centuries and still Asia doesn't learn...

That’s probably my why a transfer to Azerbaijan is best for Turkey; close enough to be transferred back if need be.

 

[FuturePAF]

1 -- If the US give 80 F-110 engines, 40 KAAN Fighter Jets can be delivered to the Turkish Air Force between 2029 and 2031.

All systems are getting ready including MURAD-600A AESA Radar , FEWS EW Suite , EOTS , IRST , 185-200+ km ramjet powered air to air Missiles


2 -- Turkiye was a global partner of the F-35 program and payment was made for 6 F-35s, and Turkish F-35s were produced.

since 2019 , 6 F-35s are being held in storage .
5 F-35s can be handed over to Türkiye as soon as possible after CAATSA sanctions are lifted

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Türkiye should insist on getting the already built planes on Turkish soil before the end of the year, and the change in congress next year. Otherwise, the next congress will bury these birds in red tape, if only to punish Trump.

 

[MMM-E]

Türkiye should insist on getting the already built planes on Turkish soil before the end of the year, and the change in congress next year. Otherwise, the next congress will bury these birds in red tape, if only to punish Trump.

Once the S-400 issue is resolved, nobody will be able to make excuses

 

[xbat]

Neither S400 nor F35 are vital for Turkey anymore, they are at the past, we have Siper, ANKA3, KE now and very soon KAAN. I am aginst any further purchase from abroad like EF , F35 or any other. all of them have strong strings with manufacturer and burden our budget, we dont really need them. Lets take our 6F35s and then finish, we dont need more.

 

[GoatsMilk]

I think the americans also know that another 5 years and no one will talk about buying foreign planes again in Turkiye. They probably realise if we don't sell this shit now to Turks, they wont look to buy in the short term.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Neither S400 nor F35 are vital for Turkey anymore, they are at the past, we have Siper, ANKA3, KE now and very soon KAAN. I am aginst any further purchase from abroad like EF , F35 or any other. all of them have strong strings with manufacturer and burden our budget, we dont really need them. Lets take our 6F35s and then finish, we dont need more.

The s400 was never vital nor useful for us too few systems and no active use. The F35 are vital as way to learn about the capabilities about the most capable weapon system the Israelis have.

 

[xbat]

The s400 was never vital nor useful for us too few systems and no active use. The F35 are vital as way to learn about the capabilities about the most capable weapon system the Israelis have.

We have pilots and maintanence personnel for F35 who already got training in US, and our companies produced many componets , i dont think that we need them.

lets see what our threats

1- isreal and greece, no way to use it against them because of F35s remote controllable features, US can block mission easily.
Our latest block 50+ F16s cant be used against Cyprus, US will stipulate more conditions like that

2- Russia and iran , both of them in war and would be suicidal another front with Turkey

rest is unimportant,

our EW,ES systems already detect F35 data and analyize it, we dont really need them.
i said take our 6 planes and no more order, you can get further data from them, afaik we ordered 20+ planes they are still OK(due to to agreement) but please no more.
EF , F16B70 and F16 Lockeed upgrades are foolish.

 

[MMM-E]

Turkish Air Force vs F-35


Boeing E-7T AEWC can detect the F-35 from 110+ km away but there is a risk of being shot down by an F-35 ( 160+ km AIM-120C8 air to air Missile )

ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft can paralyze F-35's Radar to detect the E-7T AEWC from 70 km

That means , the combination of a Boeing E-7T, ASOJ-23A and multiple KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jets can defeat F-35, during they exploit a specific "network-centric" tactical playbook

Turkish Air Force
-- Boeing E-7T AEWC to detect the F-35
-- ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft to paralyze F-35's Radar
-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet to hit the F-35 by BVR Missile

 

[FuturePAF]

Once the S-400 issue is resolved, nobody will be able to make excuses

If that were true, and things ran according to the letter of the agreements, we Americans would have more faith in congress.

 

[hyperman]

Türkiye should insist on getting the already built planes on Turkish soil before the end of the year, and the change in congress next year. Otherwise, the next congress will bury these birds in red tape, if only to punish Trump.

Yes, thats a big part, all the sanctions removed and those planes in storage need to be in Turkey before the end for 2026.