Turkish Foreign Policy and Regional Geopolitics

Minister of National Defense Yaşar Güler:

"We know that President Trump of the United States has made an effort to bring the lifting of CAATSA sanctions to the Senate and that US officials are also working on this matter."
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The typical argument of AKP Turkey: "Greece can't place weapons on islands".

When this has been debunked again and again,but always used as a fake argument by Turkey,always to stir trouble.

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Ah...Turkey which boldly proclaims "We will defend our interests" and has an entire Army of Aegean opposite our islands,yet feels annoyed when we try to defend our interests.

You have a Turkey that expands military presence close to us,yet feels threatened by M1117s with machine-guns. A Turkey which establishes entire UAV units on southeast Aegean,but is annoyed by the prospect of Greece doing something to defend the islands against such a thing.

And of course,a Turkey which has the largest landing fleet in the Mediterranean,but acts like it's us who are going to invade. A series of childish excuses to keep up tensions.
This matter is not reduced to any specific political party like AKP. The Turkish state, including its opposition, believes that Greece's intentions to militarize certain islands are unlawful.

None of the points you've raised here contradict my position or the official viewpoint of Turkey btw.

Turkey possesses a valid interest in ensuring the military security of its western coastline. Stretching from Istanbul in the north to Izmir in the south, this region is the economic, cultural, and historical core of the nation. It is susceptible to threats from the Aegean and Mediterranean Seas, making military enhancement a reasonable and justified action in the eyes of all UN member states without a doubt.

Viewing this as an act of aggression is a perspective held only by Greece, and even the EU does not support this argument.
 
Turkey possesses a valid interest in ensuring the military security of its western coastline. Stretching from Istanbul in the north to Izmir in the south, this region is the economic, cultural, and historical core of the nation. It is susceptible to threats from the Aegean and Mediterranean Seas, making military enhancement a reasonable and justified action in the eyes of all UN member states without a doubt.

Viewing this as an act of aggression is a perspective held only by Greece, and even the EU does not support this argument.
So your interest for security is justified,but our interest in protecting our territory is not?

Your military enchancement of Western Turkey is reasonable and justified,yet our attempts at purely defensive bolstering is criticized as escalation or provocation? This is the double standards language of Turkish foreign policy I'm talking about.
 
So your interest for security is justified,but our interest in protecting our territory is not?

Your military enchancement of Western Turkey is reasonable and justified,yet our attempts at purely defensive bolstering is criticized as escalation or provocation? This is the double standards language of Turkish foreign policy I'm talking about.

One violates treaty, the other doesn't.
 
One violates treaty, the other doesn't.
That's what I'm fucking tired again and again: It doesn't.

It only proves your narrative is full of hypocrisy and double standards

“Greece systematically violates the internationally recognized demilitarized status of the Eastern Aegean islands; because of this violation Turkey may challenge Greece’s sovereign titles to the Aegean islands and the rights of these islands to maritime zones of their own”. In our opinion, these are mock arguments. Ab initio (first) and in principio (foremost, in principle), in none of the international treaties, which describe and define the territorial sovereignty in the Aegean islands, the Greek sovereignty depends on or was granted under the clause of a “demilitarization”. Nor the so-called “demilitarization” status (where, as and if applicable) was set as a prerequisite for the recognition of Greek sovereignty in the Aegean islands conceded to Greece, namely those that are far from 3 miles from the Turkish coastline of the Aegean (except Imbros, Tenedos, and the Rabbit Islands, which remained under Turkish sovereignty). Finally, it is both a legal and a logical distortion to allege that alongside sovereignty Turkey may also challenge the rest of the rights of the Greek islands in the Aegean regarding all (!) their maritime zones (that is, the Greek national territorial sea, the potential continental shelf, and the EEZ)! Even a non-lawyer or a first-year law student can perceive the flimsiness of the aforementioned Turkish arguments and legal claims. Then, what’s the point for Turkish officials to circulate such defective assertions if they understand that these claims would be refuted and dismissed in any international court of justice? Because, in our opinion, the above Turkish positions do not constitute legal argumentation, but covert, though direct, threats against the territorial integrity of Greece.


Contrary to the above Turkish assertions, the Greek counterarguments are well-founded from every point of view (legal, and so on). It is worth adding one more syllogism in favor of the Greek positions, which is curiously still absent from the Greek quiver. From the moment Greece, like Turkey, de jure joined the NATO military alliance as a full member without any exceptions or “asterisks” (1952), all previous provisions of the international treaties on the limited “militarization” (1923 Lausanne Treaty) or the complete “demilitarization” (1923 Lausanne Treaty, 1947 Paris Treaty) of the Greek islands in the Eastern Aegean became implicitly though de facto inactive.



Otherwise, what would be the point and value of full membership in a defensive military alliance when large portions of the territory of an allied country would remain under a regime of partial or full demilitarization, hence considered also as areas for a limited deployment of military forces? What kind of a defensive umbrella could the NATO alliance “fully” provide, and how exactly could NATO “fully” defend and protect a “partially demilitarized and defenseless” allied country? Isn’t it inherently incompatible for a “military alliance” to bear “extended demilitarized zones” on the territory of one of its member-states?


Consider for a moment the following paradox: the mutual defensive zone of NATO’s southeastern flank running through Greece and Turkey from the Turkish border in the Caucasus to the Greek islands in the Ionian Sea and almost at the “joining point” of this common defense area a misplaced “partial or complete demilitarized zone” existing from Samothraki in the north to the Dodecanese in the south! Does anyone honestly think this makes sense: the absurd notion of a “military vacuum” that disrupts the cohesion and tears apart the defense of the entire southeastern flank of NATO?


Finally, we point out the best riposte – according to our opinion – against Turkey’s illusion on the issue: whereas, according to the Potsdam Conference and the accompanying agreements (1945), the defeated in WW II and unconditionally surrendered Germany was fully demilitarized, in the end, both post-war German states (West Germany and East Germany), were fully militarized de facto once they joined the two rival alliances, NATO and the Warsaw Pact respectively. Therefore, the same should be considered to apply de facto for Greece though a completely different case compared to Germany.

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Turkey’s unsubstantiated claims about the military status of Greece’s Eastern Aegean basin become even more frivolous if someone takes into consideration the fact that during the 1950s and the 1960s the USA, Greece, Turkey, and several other NATO allies conducted large aeronautical and military exercises (for example, “Operation Longstep”) in Greek, Turkish and international waters in the Aegean Sea (in the Gulf of Smyrna, the Chios Straits, or on the sea and shorelines of the Northern Aegean)! After all, according to NATO (I quote): “the defence of Greece’s northern border was crucial, so was that of its endless coastline and myriads of islands”; so, “NATO created” “a military command called Allied Land Forces Southeastern Europe (LANDSOUTHEAST) […] responsible for an area that stretched from the Caucasus to the western shores of Greece”! So, as early as 1952, NATO de facto canceled the partial or complete demilitarization of those “partially or fully demilitarized” island regions of Greece.

Therefore, the selective memory of Turkish officials aims not at enlightening but at distorting events and facts, as well as misinforming and deceiving foreign officials, various international organizations, and the public opinion of the world. Now that Russia has turned again into a “strategic opponent” of NATO, it is perhaps an opportunity for the Greek government to issue a note verbale to remind that Greece was admitted into the NATO alliance for securing the defense of its whole territory on land and in the seas, and to reiterate that the “militarization” of the Aegean Greek islands provides a “strategic depth” to the defense of the southeastern flank of the Alliance, at whose disposal the Greek military forces stationed there will be placed whenever needed! Moreover, it is worth skillfully emphasizing to the rest of our NATO allies that Turkey’s objections and claims against Greece on this particular issue, not only do not serve the Alliance’s interests but instead aim ultimately at weakening the defense of NATO’s southeastern flank.
 
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Hyprocisy and double standards from those waving the finger about good neighborhood and stability in the region,not to mention having the nerve to talk about arms races:

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Mama und Papa streiten sich. lol

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🇹🇷🇮🇷🇮🇱 Turkey was helping Iran during the Iran-Israel war - Yasar Guler, Defense Minister of Turkey

"During the Iran-Israel war, PKK were moving weapons and personnel to PJAK [Kurdish separatist group in Iran]. PJAK believed the Iranian government would collapse and were acting on this expectation.

During the war, we were in constant contact with the Iranian authorities, providing them intelligence and details of PJAK operations in Iran."
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Mitsotakis has decided to make Greece a sacrificial lamb for the Zionists. This will not end well.
 
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Mitsotakis has decided to make Greece a sacrificial lamb for the Zionists. This will not end well.

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All the above is a reaction to this:

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And of course this:

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Turkey currently has surrounded us with Azerbaijan,Syria,Libya,Albania,FYROM,BiH and Qatar under its influence. Israelis worry about it,we worry about,heck even Egyptians worry about it.
 
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@Foinikas

Are these islands in red under Turkish control or do they plan on overtaking them according to Greece. Ie its disputed islands.
 
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@Foinikas

Are these islands in red under Turkish control or do they plan on overtaking them according to Greece. Ie its disputed islands.
They are 100% Greek islands. Turkish ultranationalists like Bahçeli and others even in the AKP government have started promoting revisionist narratives of "retaking their islands.

Actual map

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Imagine if somebody told you "Lahore is only 20km from Indian border,Indian Punjabis cry their eyes every day,it should be ours".
 
Turkey currently has surrounded us

Who is us? You Yehudi? Turkey has done nothing to Greece, but now Greece has decided to commit suicide by attaching themselves to the Zionist cause. They will try to get greeks to die fighting Turks, mark my words they will not die for you, it will be the other way around.
 
Who is us? You Yehudi?
Greeks,Greek Cypriots,Israelis and in a certain extend Egyptians and Lebanese.

Turkey has done nothing to Greece,
Nothing? 2020 Turkey was sending masses of illegal immigrants and refugees,to the borders on Evros,throwing canisters of tear gas on our side,trying to tear down part of the fence,providing the illegals with transport to get there and directions from where to enter. At the same time,sending countless boats from the sea towards us.

Warning us with hostilities if Greek Cypriots drill on their side and not share it with Turkish Cypriots. Warning us with war if we drill in the Aegean. Sending warships to bully French research ships barely 6 miles from Crete! Not from Rhodes,not from Kos,not from Chios,not from Kastelorizo,not from Samos,but from Crete! Imagine that!

Printing maps including our islands as part of Turkey and at the same time preparing a massive fleet.

but now Greece has decided to commit suicide by attaching themselves to the Zionist cause. They will try to get greeks to die fighting Turks, mark my words they will not die for you, it will be the other way around.
You guys have always been deluded. Every time we react to your provocations and warmongering rhetoric,you simply have no other explanation: It's the Americans,the French,the Jews pushing the poor Greeks to start a war with great Turkey!

You cannot imagine any other reason,for example us trying to prosper and Turkish nationalism demanding us to be subservient,oh no no. It just has to be the Americans or the French or the Israelis or the Russians or the Germans who make Greeks go against the Turks :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

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