Turkish Foreign Policy and Regional Geopolitics

[Ali_Baba]

What a comedian you are.

Shaking hands with someone charged by the ICC for "responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts during the Gaza war."" and Genocide from the State of Israel to the Palestinians is not a good look for Greece right now.

Geo-politics can make for strange bedfellows at times, but honestly, not good for Greece ( and yes, the same applies to Egypt with its gas deal etc ).

 

[Foinikas]

Shaking hands with someone charged by the ICC for "responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts during the Gaza war."" and Genocide from the State of Israel to the Palestinians is not a good look for Greece right now.

Geo-politics can make for strange bedfellows at times, but honestly, not good for Greece ( and yes, the same applies to Egypt with its gas deal etc ).

A few points on this

• Most world leaders,including Erdogan,are taking photos shaking hands with Jolani. Someone involved in war crimes,crimes against humanity and many hideous acts. No problem there?
• Israel has been eliminating Palestinians and making their lives bad for decades. Before 2010,did you criticize Turkey this fiercely for their friendship and close ties to the Israelis? After 2015 there was a kind of better relations,still with some problems though. In 2022 and until 2024,Turkish-Israeli relations were restored. Did you guys despise Erdogan for it back then? Did you condemn this? Did you say it's shameful?
• Some on this forum have said at various times,that "Russia has killed more Muslims than Jews". Specifically blaming Russia and Iran. However,we see Turkey hand-to-hand with Russia in an uneasy,but still prosperous friendship. Buying weapons,having the Russians build them nuclear reactors,helping Russia diplomatically. No problem there? ....Will you tell me "it's not the same"?
• Most important point: Who's gonna come help? If the EU isn't showing any interest in seriously putting Turkey in their place and the southeastern border of the EU being safe,who's going to help protect us from Turkish revisionism and imperialist ambitions? If the EU and NATO won't do anything about it,focusing on the "Russian boogeyman",a country needs to survive.
• Take a look at this,I'm not saying it's right,but the majority of Arabs themselves don't care anymore. I'm not saying it's right,I'm just saying their own people won't go against Israel anymore. You've got Saudi Arabia,UAE,Qatar,Oman,Jordan,Egypt. They are friendly to Israel.
• You guys were in a tough spot against India in 1965 and 1971. There came communist China. And not just any communist country,we're talking about Maoist China. They offered you weapons,cooperation,ToT,investments. Why didn't you say "No,we don't want,it's not nice. Mao is a butcher and it's unethical,the PRC suppresses Islam,they are atheists,they want to spread communism in the region, we can't cooperate with a regime that killed millions of their own people" etc?

 

[r3alist]

A few points on this

• Most world leaders,including Erdogan,are taking photos shaking hands with Jolani. Someone involved in war crimes,crimes against humanity and many hideous acts. No problem there?
• Israel has been eliminating Palestinians and making their lives bad for decades. Before 2010,did you criticize Turkey this fiercely for their friendship and close ties to the Israelis? After 2015 there was a kind of better relations,still with some problems though. In 2022 and until 2024,Turkish-Israeli relations were restored. Did you guys despise Erdogan for it back then? Did you condemn this? Did you say it's shameful?
• Some on this forum have said at various times,that "Russia has killed more Muslims than Jews". Specifically blaming Russia and Iran. However,we see Turkey hand-to-hand with Russia in an uneasy,but still prosperous friendship. Buying weapons,having the Russians build them nuclear reactors,helping Russia diplomatically. No problem there? ....Will you tell me "it's not the same"?
• Most important point: Who's gonna come help? If the EU isn't showing any interest in seriously putting Turkey in their place and the southeastern border of the EU safe,who's going to help protect us from Turkish revisionism and imperialist ambitions? If the EU and NATO won't do anything about it,focusing on the "Russian boogeyman",a country needs to survive.
• Take a look at this,I'm not saying it's right,but the majority of Arabs themselves don't care anymore. I'm not saying it's right,I'm just saying their own people won't go against Israel anymore. You've got Saudi Arabia,UAE,Qatar,Oman,Jordan,Egypt.
• You guys were in a tough spot against India in 1965 and 1971. There came communist China. And not just any communist country,we're talking about Maoist China. They offered you weapons,cooperation,ToT,investments. Why didn't you say "No,we don't want,it's not nice. Mao is a butcher and it's unethical,the PRC suppresses Islam,they are atheists,they want to spread communism in the region, we can't cooperate with a regime that killed millions of their own people" etc?

That's a whole load of effort to deflect away

I'm sure Greece has its compulsions, but still the Christians are suffering just as much,

 

[hyperman]

That's a whole load of effort to deflect away

I'm sure Greece has its compulsions, but still the Christians are suffering just as much,

He will look the other way about the Greek Orthodox being ethnically cleansed from Jerusalem, the Israeli land grab there, while defending the Greek Zionist relations Mitsotakis is developing. Then insist that he is actually anti zionist, to curry favor with the Iranians and the Pakistanis here on the forum.

 

[hyperman]

Israelis ranking who they see as their biggest threats.

 

[MMM-E]

Greeks didn't take part in the Gallipopi campaign,Greece entered WWI late in the war and fought against Bulgaria. The Brits were already fighting in Iraq since 1914.

What kind of alternate reality history is this?

I am not talking about WW1 1914-1918
I am talking about 1919-1922 when British used Greeks as pawns to take Mosul - Kirkuk

Turkish War of Independence, Al-Jazeera Front 1918-1923 ( Turks vs British )
After the Ottoman Empire withdrew from WW1, the British's first action was to occupy the Mosul Province ( Iraqi oil reserves )

Turks were busy to fight against Greeks in Anatolia and The British focused on oil reserves in Mosul Province of Iraq

now same senario ,,, Israelis wants to use Greeks and PKK-YPG as pawns to fight the Turks for their zionist plans in Syria and Iraq

 

[Foinikas]

He will look the other way about the Greek Orthodox being ethnically cleansed from Jerusalem, the Israeli land grab there, while defending the Greek Zionist relations Mitsotakis is developing. Then insist that he is actually anti zionist, to curry favor with the Iranians and the Pakistanis here on the forum.

You're a provocateur. If there was an "ethnic cleansing" of Greek Orthodox in the Holy Land,there would have been a big fuss here. Since the Patriarchate,the Archbishop of Athens and the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Constantinople don't make a fuss about it,whatever is going on down there is probably not what you or whatever you are reading make it out to be.

And maybe just maybe,you should stop being such a smug wanker,trying to sound like an Amir al Mumineen by saying "Greek-Zionist" relations,when two years ago your country and beloved leaders were back to bowing to Israelis.

I didn't fucking see you referring to that as TURKISH-ZIONIST relations.

 

[Foinikas]

Turkish War of Independence, Al-Jazeera Front 1918-1923 ( Turks vs British )
After the Ottoman Empire withdrew from WW1, the British's first action was to occupy the Mosul Province ( Iraqi oil reserves )

Turks were busy to fight against Greeks in Anatolia and The British focused on oil reserves in Mosul Province of Iraq

You had already lost Iraq in WWI. It was over. No excuse "we were fighting the Greeks". You had lost.

 

[Eşbah]

You're a provocateur. If there was an "ethnic cleansing" of Greek Orthodox in the Holy Land,there would have been a big fuss here. Since the Patriarchate,the Archbishop of Athens and the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Constantinople don't make a fuss about it,whatever is going on down there is probably not what you or whatever you are reading make it out to be.

And maybe just maybe,you should stop being such a smug wanker,trying to sound like an Amir al Mumineen by saying "Greek-Zionist" relations,when two years ago your country and beloved leaders were back to bowing to Israelis.

I didn't fucking see you referring to that as TURKISH-ZIONIST relations.

Ask the Armenian Orthodox Christians how the Jews are treating them. What about them?

 

[Foinikas]

Ask the Armenian Orthodox Christians how the Jews are treating them. What about them?

Armenians are heretics,they are not Eastern Orthodox.

 

[hyperman]

You're a provocateur. If there was an "ethnic cleansing" of Greek Orthodox in the Holy Land,there would have been a big fuss here. Since the Patriarchate,the Archbishop of Athens and the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Constantinople don't make a fuss about it,whatever is going on down there is probably not what you or whatever you are reading make it out to be.

And maybe just maybe,you should stop being such a smug wanker,trying to sound like an Amir al Mumineen by saying "Greek-Zionist" relations,when two years ago your country and beloved leaders were back to bowing to Israelis.

I didn't fucking see you referring to that as TURKISH-ZIONIST relations.

Shows how little you know.

You don't hear on Greek news, b/c The Greek Media apparatus is compromised, and also b/c its not in Greek Govt's interests to talk smack about Israel when they are trying to be buddy buddy with Israel.

Patriarch Theophilos of Jerusalem: Christians Are at Risk of Being Driven Out of the Holy Land - The Pappas Post

Patriarch Theophilos III, head of the Greek Orthodox Church in Jerusalem and custodian of some of Christendom's holiest sites, has taken to the media to

pappaspost.com

How Palestinian Christians are being driven out of Jerusalem

In-depth: The Palestinian Christian presence in Jerusalem is under threat due to institutionalised discrimination, attacks by radical Israeli groups, and systematic attempts by settler organisations to take over church property in the Old City.

www.newarab.com

Greek Orthodox Patriarch warns Christian presence in Jerusalem under threat by Zionist extremists

Patriarch Theophilos III charges that a rising number of assaults against Christians and church buildings are an attempt to drive the Christian community out of Jerusalem’s Old City.

mondoweiss.net

 

[hyperman]

Ask the Armenian Orthodox Christians how the Jews are treating them. What about them?

We don't even need to talk about the Armenians.

Greek Orthodox Patriarch warns Christian presence in Jerusalem under threat by Zionist extremists​

Patriarch Theophilos of Jerusalem: Christians Are at Risk of Being Driven Out of the Holy Land​

The Greek Patriarch in Jerusalem is screaming they are taking Church land and driving the Christians out, but the Greeks put them head in the sand. Only time its Kosher for their state to talk about Orthodoxy is when they can use it to rile people up against Turks.

You see how fraudulent Mitsotakis is, he will never mention Jerusalem and the Historical Christian presence in Jerusalem being wiped out for the first time ever. Literally Christians have always been in Jerusalem whether under Muslim rule or Roman rule, the Zionists in their attempt to Judaise the city, are systemically wiping them out.

Greek Orthodox Patriarch warns Christian presence in Jerusalem under threat by Zionist extremists

Patriarch Theophilos III charges that a rising number of assaults against Christians and church buildings are an attempt to drive the Christian community out of Jerusalem’s Old City.

mondoweiss.net

 

[hyperman]

Armenians are heretics

Now you throw Armenians brothers under the bus?

Where was this dismissiveness when the Greeks were screaming about Armenians and they undying brotherhood a few years back over the Karabakh war? Now they are Heretics, so who cares?

 

[MMM-E]

You had already lost Iraq in WWI. It was over. No excuse "we were fighting the Greeks". You had lost.

The British occupied Mosul Province of Iraq after WW1
and we fought against the British between 1918 and 1923

With the National Pact (Misaki Milli) adopted unanimously by the last Parliament that convened in Istanbul in 1920, the Mosul Province was declared to be within the borders of the Turkish State

If the Turks hadn't been preoccupied with fighting the Greeks in Anatolia, we could have driven the British out of Mosul / Iraq

The Mosul issue was brought before the League of Nations. in 1925, the League of Nations decided to place Mosul under the British Mandate of Iraq

We lost Mosul/Iraq in 1925
Greeks died during war and took nothing while smart British achieved their own goals.

 

[Qaraca]

Now you throw Armenians brothers under the bus?

Where was this dismissiveness when the Greeks were screaming about Armenians and they undying brotherhood a few years back over the Karabakh war? Now they are Heretics, so who cares?

It’s true tho, it’s just that most people are ignorant. Like some Serbians on internet who call Armenians their "Orthodox brothers".

Russian Empire and Russian church which was always directly tied to the empire used Christianity of Armenians for political purposes only, and Armenians likewise benefitted from that relationship, but in truth Armenians was considered heretical by Orthodox church historically.