US imposes sanctions on suppliers to Pakistan’s ballistic missile programme

[mythbuster]

Oh bhai, irani’s using composite components for the last two decades!

We just got these filament winding machines recently from China.

How do you think their small Fateh series can travel 1000 Km’s?

Their SLV’s are all composite innards too.

Since you are too high on Iran it's wise to take your assertions with a pinch of salt .

 

[Lulldapull]

Since you are too high on Iran it's wise to take your assertions with a pinch of salt .

You must be kidding here? Their SLVs and all BM’s switched to composites decades ago.

Europeans say Iranian satellite launcher could be intermediate-range ballistic missile

The Ghaem-100 satellite launch vehicle (SLV) that Iran unveiled on 5 November could be used as an intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM), the British, French, and...

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Go thru their missile section, you’d get a reality check real quick. It’s right here on the forum.

 

[mythbuster]

You must be kidding here? Their SLVs and all BM’s switched to composites decades ago.

Europeans say Iranian satellite launcher could be intermediate-range ballistic missile

The Ghaem-100 satellite launch vehicle (SLV) that Iran unveiled on 5 November could be used as an intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM), the British, French, and...

www.janes.com

Go thru their missile section, you’d get a reality check real quick. It’s right here on the forum.

Unlike Iran Pak do not want to ruffle the feathers of the west , Pakistan wanted to stay under the radar and get the things done...... Pakistan would have launched SLV more than a decade ago if she wanted to......all the composite materials don't fall into same classification..... there various levels of refinements .

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

China technology is available in abundance

Also by road , you can just drive in China and load up truck with Technology and bring it to Pakistan by Road

 

[SaadH]

Good points......but Pakistan could have avoided this by buying these ballistic equipment from Iran (if possible)because Iran is sanctioned already, so US wouldn't be able to sanction Iran as a supplier if it was supplying Pakistan, but maybe Pakistan's ballistic needs are different (OR China is Pakistan's designated "ballistic missiles contractor and consultant"so Iran cant "enter" such an equation)

We are not allowed to buy even gas from Iran, let alone ballistic missiles.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Why would be buying we make this stuff at home those days of 1957 are long gone

We make our own stuff now

 

[Waz]

This gives pretty much solid credibility that the MIRV long range weapon is indeed a real project. They're trying to stop it's range.

 

[Lulldapull]

Israel has a undeclared nuclear weapons program

It's actually against U.S law for the United States to provide aid or support to any state with such a undeclared nuclear program

Yet as has been proven multiple times, law and international law is worthless, it's a tool to beat down on brown and black nations and nothing more and the west won't apply it to themselves or the Zionists

We are fools if we tolerate this situation and Iran is showing the way in facing up to the hypocrisy

Hussain, Irans in a world of trouble. They’ve lost the last 300 years twiddling their thumbs and now they are scrambling to catch up bro. It’s like me or you trying to climb K2. They’ve taken panga with the global waderay.

They’re half way there as of now…….they still gotta lot to go.

The worst is over for Iran.

Now they gotta play it cool and make sure they don’t fall in the traps and continue doing what they’re doing.

Baqi Muslim countries, may god help them. None of the others have a chance. You can just see it from a mile away.

Not as sovereign powers at least.

 

[Dalit]

The Americans are extremely irritated with China Pakistan defence cooperation.

The US sanctions won't have any effect on China Pakistan defence cooperation. On the contrary, as the US continues to arm and strengthen India, China Pakistan defence cooperation is set to increase manifold.

 

[Oscar]

Wow the close 'relationship' the generals have with the US is sure bringing so many dividends.
With friends like this....

This is no longer a case of military to military contacts but complete dominance of NRI's both within the state department, politics and lobbies aligning with the anti-China drive.

The military to military contacts only work in give or take, and need a competent and willing civilian component to boost it. Right now that government-government relationship is as useless as Pakistan's passport while some US Pakistanis are actively encouraging sanctions in many levels of state in their overzealousness over PTI.

Sure, relationships are being built to create goodwill for Pakistani tech entrepreneurs which is bearing fruit despite all efforts of the Pakistani state to sabotage it - and the same goes for healthcare and poverty alleviation programs also despite the best efforts of the Pakistani state, politicians and military to either trip them or steal from them.

 

[Abid123]

When are the yankee terrorists going to sanction Israel for their genocide in Gaza?

 

[Dalit]

US sanctions on Chinese firms ‘politically motivated’: FO

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Saturday slammed Washington’s “double standards” for sanctioning Chinese firms allegedly linked to Pakistan’s ballistic missile program.

Foreign Office spokesperson Mumtaz Zahra Baloch rejected the sanctions and called them “biased and politically motivated”. She said in the past, companies were sanctioned “based on mere suspicion”.

“It is widely known that some countries while claiming strict adherence to non-proliferation norms, have conveniently waived licensing requirements for advanced military technologies to their favoured states,” she said, without naming any nation.

“Such double standards and discriminatory practices undermine the credibility of global non-proliferation regimes, increase military asymmetries, and endanger international peace and security.”

Earlier this week, the US State Department imposed sanctions on a Chinese research institute and several companies for allegedly supplying equipment for Pakistan’s ballistic missile programme.

The sanctions targeted a Chinese research institute and several companies, including Beijing Research Institute of Automation for Machine Building Industry, Hubei Huachangda Intelligent Equipment Co, Universal Enterprise, and Xi’an Longde Technology Development Co.

Washington alleged that the Beijing Research Institute of Automation for Machine Building Industry had worked with Pakistan to procure equipment for testing rocket motors for the Shaheen-3 and Ababeel systems and potentially for larger systems.

Washington similarly targeted three China-based firms with sanctions in October 2023 for supplying missile-applicable items to Pakistan.

The sanctions also affected Pakistan-based Innovative Equipment and a Chinese national.

Pakistan-China consultations

In a separate statement on Saturday, the FO said Pakistan and China held the 9th Round of Bilateral Consultations on Arms Control and Non-proliferation in Islamabad on Friday.

Ambassador Tahir Andrabi, the director general of Arms Control and Disarmament at the Foreign Office and Sun Xiaobo, the director general of Arms Control at the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs led the delegation-level talks.

The discussions covered arms control, non-proliferation, global and regional security, emerging technologies like cyber security and artificial intelligence, outer space, and joint nuclear technology cooperation.

The meeting also reviewed agendas of multilateral forums, including the UN General Assembly, IAEA, Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, and other disarmament treaties.In a meeting with Foreign Secretary Amna Baloch, Mr Xiaobo underlined the importance of regular exchanges and consultations on arms control and non-proliferation, the statement added.

US sanctions on Chinese firms ‘politically motivated’: FO

Says such double standards and discriminatory practices undermine the credibility of global non-proliferation regimes.

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[Dalit]

This is why I have always maintained that even despite shortlived Donald Lu moments there will always be friction between Pakistan and the USA.

 

[Jungibaaz]

This is no longer a case of military to military contacts but complete dominance of NRI's both within the state department, politics and lobbies aligning with the anti-China drive.

The military to military contacts only work in give or take, and need a competent and willing civilian component to boost it. Right now that government-government relationship is as useless as Pakistan's passport while some US Pakistanis are actively encouraging sanctions in many levels of state in their overzealousness over PTI.

Sure, relationships are being built to create goodwill for Pakistani tech entrepreneurs which is bearing fruit despite all efforts of the Pakistani state to sabotage it - and the same goes for healthcare and poverty alleviation programs also despite the best efforts of the Pakistani state, politicians and military to either trip them or steal from them.

When you consider the sheer dominance of AIPAC, ADL, and similar pro Israel lobbies and their effects on Washington’s policy not just vis-à-vis Israel but also Israel’s regional opponents, it’s a wonder how Pakistan hasn’t been as adversely affected by the sheer potential of a properly functioning pro-India lobby group. They have the geopolitical and economic clout, a fairly united expat community, and they plenty of cash both within India and abroad to bring it to bear against us. I feel like we’ll not be prepared for when this happens and we’ll be as usual caught with our pants down. That’s without even mentioning the damage done by our hands by the likes of the OBL incident, our relations with the taliban in the past, and the occasional terror incident or attempt linked to our kind.

We often find stories of Pakistani diplomats in action in washington and other capitals in the past, playing critical roles in diplomatic outreach at crucial points in our history. Now we’re of little strategic value, no longer needed for any wars, of less and less economic relevance and more a bailout-prone financial liability. It feels as though we will muddle through what’s thrown at us in the future and diminish at every point unless there’s some internal upheaval in Pakistan.

 

[LeGenD]

This is due to MTCR.

Pakistan is anti-India and very close to China on all counts. The US wants to see Pakistan and India getting along but this is unlikely.

Pakistan's internal problems and political divisions also prevents the US from supporting Pakistan in a significant way.

"The United States faced several dilemmas in how to respond to the crisis. The regional situation was already complex. India signed a treaty of mutual assistance with the Soviet Union in August, 1971, and the People’s Republic of China was friendly to Pakistan and had fought a war with India in 1962. However, Pakistan was a valuable diplomatic partner, and its government helped the United States achieve a rapprochement with the People’s Republic of China in the early 1970s. After President Richard Nixon’s visit in 1969, the U.S. Government had resumed selling Pakistan military equipment, a process that had been disrupted by the previous 1965 India-Pakistan War. Washington wished to avoid a second war between Pakistan and India, but also feared that Pakistan would be greatly weakened if its eastern province seceded, and so supported Pakistan initially. However, the action against the mass protests in East Pakistan was well-publicized and widely condemned, which limited the extent to which the U.S. Government was willing to help the Pakistani Government prevent the division of its country."

Milestones in the History of U.S. Foreign Relations - Office of the Historian

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The US might have allowed China to help Pakistan in the 1971 War:

"The overwhelming victory of the Awami League in the December 1970 national elections in Pakistan put the country on the path to war, eventually leading to the formation of the state of Bangladesh. The Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, fought in the backdrop of rapprochement between the United States and China, became engulfed in the international politics of the Cold War. With Pakistan serving as a key intermediary between the United States and China, while the Soviet Union was aligned with India, the Indo-Pakistani War threatened to spread beyond the borders of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. Indeed, the Nixon administration had given China a tacit approval to intervene militarily if India and Pakistan went to war, despite President Nixon's public statements to the contrary at the same time. The political maneuvering that led up to the war and its after-effects shaped not only the future of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh, but also of the Soviet and American influence in Asia for decades to come."

The United States and the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971: A Critical Inquiry on JSTOR

Ankit Agarwal, The United States and the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971: A Critical Inquiry, Indian Journal of Asian Affairs, Vol. 27/28, No. 1/2 (2014-2015), pp. 21-42

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- but China was also reluctant to intervene in this conflict due to similar concerns.

Pakistan opposed American attempt to reshape political landscape of Afghanistan and develop TAPI in an attempt to create an environment of cooperation between Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India because Pakistan is opposed to India-Afghan bilateral relationship due to Pakistan's security concerns.

So there is not much to talk about as Pakistan does not seem to offer much to the US in any domain.

WE still have members complaining that Pakistan does not have sufficient tilt towards China but it is not without consequences. The idea is to transform Pakistan into North Korea 2.0 or to strive for strategic balance and development like in South Korea?

The US is a superpower and it will not respect Pakistani sentiments on its own. Pakistan needs to find a way to work with the US, the US is not obligated to in current situation due to the reasons stated above.

The US can do a lot for Pakistan but there is no incentive to due to Pakistan's internal problems and Pakistan not offering much to the US in any domain. The US is looking forward to having deals with India, Bangladesh, and Vietnam instead.

So this is the gist of Pak-US dynamic.