US lawmakers call for probe into 'irregularities' in Pakistan's Feb 8 polls

[Oscar]

“A minor memo” that threatened Pakistan with severe consequences - if the sitting PM of Pakistan wasn’t removed under the upcoming vote of no confidence. Reason being - that PM’s “aggressively neutral” stance on Ukraine - which was unacceptable to US, as per the leaked contents of the cipher. And thus, the brave Pakistani generals caved in as usual (just like they did during Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and after 9/11 terrorist attacks) - all leading to 2 years of continuous destabilization of Pakistan as we speak. But you go on and blame PTI / Imran as usual.

Yes - minor memo, not something out by a hugh level diplomat nor was it to be taken beyond the anger to such levels. Much like many many memos before it and much less than open “Do more” statements before it.

Also it helps with English comprehension and avoiding knee jerk straight hippocampus to text- please see part of post where I clearly state “But in this case weak leadership at establishment (for a variety of professional and personal reasons) caved in and enabled the very internal politics to destabilize the PTI government.”

Which can only be construed that the establishment instead of a stoic role they needed to take got sweaty hands and went all in.

But go ahead - play the victim and the same copy paste text which all cultists regardless of which cult (PTI, Fauji, Nooni or otherwise) you belong to

 

[Oscar]

Make it Biden's peon. Biden wouldn't be bothered if Pakistan sinks into Indian ocean.

The focus is China and whatever forces but I wont be going too far about sinking in the Indian ocean.
Biden’s government and to an extent state dept simply wants Pakistan out of the equation. Neither for or against - a paraplegic actor when it comes to the new alignment. Not bothering India and not helping China.

And Pakistan is pretty much there now.

 

[Ghseean]

What confusion? A threat from US diplomat was received in person by the Pakistani ambassador. It was conveyed to the govt via cipher. A strong demarche was issued to US as a result - but the regime change operation still continued unabated to this day: “Remove PM Imran through VONC or Pakistan will face the consequences” - according to leaked contents of the said cipher:

NSC decides to issue strong demarche to unnamed country over 'threat letter'​

You clearly did not pick.

 

[Forsvaret]

But go ahead - play the victim and the same copy paste text which all cultists regardless of which cult (PTI, Fauji, Nooni or otherwise) you belong to

I belong to the cult of “facts on the ground”. US wanted PM Imran Khan gone because of his “aggressively neutral” stance on Ukraine - as per the leaked contents of the cipher. It’s actually a standard modus operandi of successive US governments. They don’t want world leaders on the helm, who dare to go against American foreign policy interests. And that’s where we’re now - after two long years of joint US and Pakistani military backed destabilization of Pakistan.

 

[Forsvaret]

You clearly did not pick.

Feel free to elaborate on that.

 

[nahtanbob]

Are you by any chance American - denier of US State Department’s (ciphergate) conspiracy to topple Imran Khan’s govt? Yes, you are!

There is nothing in for USA to topple Imran Khan government. It is true that Biden essentially told Imran Khan to f**k off by the fact he never got a phone call when Biden became President. The decision to replace Imran Khan with another stooge is purely the doings of your "establishment" Your only relevance to America was the fact that you were a supply line to American troops in Afghanistan. Biden decided he was going to follow through on Trump's withdrawal plans.

Your true problem is that Biden has been a member of Senate Foreign Affairs Committee for decades and Vice President for 8 years when Pakistan was pretending to be an ally and backing the Taliban. He has seen all the deception and drama emanating out of Pakistan. He wants nothing to do with it. Imran Khan was the wrong guy at the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Oscar]

I belong to the cult of “facts on the ground”. US wanted PM Imran Khan gone because of his “aggressively neutral” stance on Ukraine - as per the leaked contents of the cipher. It’s actually a standard modus operandi of successive US governments. They don’t want world leaders on the helm, who dare to go against American foreign policy interests. And that’s where we’re now - after two long years of joint US and Pakistani military backed destabilization of Pakistan.

It’s modus operandi to do a lot of things, why would any country want any other country to go against its interests - but if the establishment did its role and the PTI government did not go social media warrior and focused their anger on their political opponents what could have happened instead of usual dirty crap and IK now not wanted at Pakistan’s helm by any of its allies - is that they could be ready to come back after sealing the grave on PML(N) and PPP right now.

Instead, the result is polarized cultism or simply giving up on Pakistan and its future and focus on today’s meal. That is where your majority is from the middle class - and what actually makes a country go.

You can 10 million poor - Pakistan’s economic situation will not change. That is a very dark but simple mathematical fact.

The educated middle class, or bourgeoisie, played a significant role in the french revolution. They were often well-versed in Enlightenment ideas, advocating for equality, liberty, and fraternity. The bourgeoisie, frustrated by their lack of political power and burdened by taxes, sought to reform the existing feudal system and gain a greater share of power.

The poor masses, including peasants and urban workers, faced severe economic hardship, high taxes, and food shortages, which fueled widespread anger and desperation. The bourgeoisie harnessed this discontent, using it to challenge the monarchy and the aristocracy.

While the French middle class leaders and PTI both aimed to harness popular discontent to drive change, the French Revolution’s leaders managed to navigate immense challenges and ultimately reshape their society. In contrast, PTI’s leadership struggles and governance issues led to a loss of confidence and hope for meaningful transformation in Pakistan.

 

[nahtanbob]

I belong to the cult of “facts on the ground”. US wanted PM Imran Khan gone because of his “aggressively neutral” stance on Ukraine - as per the leaked contents of the cipher. It’s actually a standard modus operandi of successive US governments. They don’t want world leaders on the helm, who dare to go against American foreign policy interests. And that’s where we’re now - after two long years of joint US and Pakistani military backed destabilization of Pakistan.

Modi purchased billions in Russian oil and is still being called to G-7/QUAD. You think Imran Khan is being punished for "neutral" stance on Ukraine. Imran Khan's visit to Ukraine was pre-planned well ahead of Putin's decision to invade Ukraine.

 

[EugeneP]

I belong to the cult of “facts on the ground”. US wanted PM Imran Khan gone because of his “aggressively neutral” stance on Ukraine - as per the leaked contents of the cipher. It’s actually a standard modus operandi of successive US governments. They don’t want world leaders on the helm, who dare to go against American foreign policy interests. And that’s where we’re now - after two long years of joint US and Pakistani military backed destabilization of Pakistan.

Look at this table. All these countries voted against U.S. position almost all the time in the United Nations. Has U.S. tried to replace any of their Prime Ministers or Presidents? If not, what makes Mr. Khan/Pakistan so special that he has to be replaced?

Frequency that Arab Countries Voted With the United States (2005-Present)​

Country	2005​	2008​	2010​	2013​	2017​	2018​	2019	2020	2021
Algeria	8%​	7%​	30%​	34.2%​	20%​	19%​	21%	20%	27%
Bahrain	9%​	7%​	3%​	34.8%​	23%​	24%​	24%	25%	33%
Djibouti	9%​	8%​	34%​	34.7%​	21%​	23%​	23%	22%	31%
Egypt	9%​	7%​	31%​	25%​	21%​	20%​	22%	23%	27%
Iraq	10%​	11%​	35%​	34.3%​	21%​	21%​	27%	23%	30%
Jordan	13%​	8%​	34%​	36.6%​	22%​	21%​	28%	23%	30%
Kuwait	10%​	8%​	33%​	31.3%​	22%​	22%​	28%	24%	33%
Lebanon	12%​	9%​	32%​	32.4%​	18%​	20%​	17%	20%	30%
Libya	10%​	7%​	31%​	33.8%​	21%​	21%​	21%	22%	28%
Mauritania	17%​	8%​	32%​	30.8%​	20%​	18%​	18%	23%	30%
Morocco	14%​	11%​	35%​	41.3%​	24%​	22%​	22%	23%	33%
Oman	9%​	5%​	30%​	30.9%​	23%​	22%​	27%	24%	31%
Qatar	10%​	7%​	32%​	31.3%​	25%​	23%​	24%	23%	32%
Saudi Arabia	13%​	8%​	32%​	29.9%​	25%​	25%​	25%	25%	34%
Somalia	8%​	0%​	29%​	40%​	24%​	20%​	9%	42%	37%
Sudan	14%​	8%​	31%​	27.7%​	20%​	19%​	29%	20%	30%
Syria	8%​	6%​	16%​	11.1%​	15%​	14%​	12%	15%	16%
Tunisia	9%​	8%​	32%​	34.7%​	21%​	21%​	21%	22%	30%
U.A.E.	8%​	6%​	32%​	35.2%​	24%​	22%​	23%	23%	32%
Yemen								25%	31%
Average	11%	7%	30%	32%	22%	21%	22%	23%	30%

 

[EugeneP]

Biden has been a member of Senate Foreign Affairs Committee for decades and Vice President for 8 years when Pakistan was pretending to be an ally and backing the Taliban.

He was very intimately involved in the Bin Laden ride and knows the perfidy of Pakistan's military. The death of his son Beau after serving in the army also acts as a psychological factor.

 

[Ghseean]

Feel free to elaborate on that.

don't pick certain part out of the post, read it in the whole context.

i don't need to and do not understand what is so hard to elaborate.