US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[Starlord]

The biggest winners are the GCC and the US. That has always been the case.

Israel has a smaller economy than UAE alone. The average Israeli is far poorer than the average GCC citizen. The average Israeli is doomed for perpetual conflict in the neighborhood. Since 1948. Forceful conscription. Spending 1/3 of their living existence in shelters.

The whole "Israel project" is unsustainable. The Arabs within Palestine are already outnumbering Israeli Jews. The same Israeli Jews of which 2/3 are Arab Israeli Jews to begin with.

They have even failed to annex all of Palestine (that they claim as their land) after almost 100 years and despite 24/7 support of the US.

Nah, If you think so than you have no idea about the nature of the conflict and why its been fought, you really think that it was all the effects of Oct 7th which started the domino effects which leads to a war with Iran (Twice) ?
You can consider GCC as winner, while Trump calling your leader for kissing his unwashed A$$, I mean if that's what you call Victory than congratulations to you.

Iran is getting hammered but that's what everyone including Iranians expected, they could not fight USA/Israel let alone most of the GCC countries bending backwards to protect Israel. You think BIBI is dumb like your Arab leaders? he has played his master stroke and now he has significantly weaken the Iranians Axis, Destroyed the Public perception of America, and he is having Iran blasting GCC countries left right & center.

For Israel it wasn't always about having their population to be rich, they are fighting a holy war for the Greater Israel which they practically have because they control the entire Air space of the region of what they call Greater Israel, tomorrow they can bomb Riyyad in broad daylight and there is nothing a single thing you can do about it. Except condemnation and maybe ask America to condemn it too.

That is one thing i agree with you, Israel project will eventually self-implode from within, their IDF will start to feel the war-fatigue and as more and more Americans are getting aware of duplicity of America (regardless of some kids here on PDF who cheer for Israel) there is a massive distaste among the people (common American) against Israel and its only growing. Even the hardcore right wing pundits are fighting a civil war among them. Does this means that US will step away from Israel, not really in our life time. But for as long Arabs/and their leaders behave like cucks for America, the region will never have lasting peace. Your leaders are betting over a Sunni-led Middle eastern region and by the way for which Bibi already started talking about the "Evil Sunni-Axis" and trust me when I say, if and when time comes it wont need much convincing for then American Govt to their public to when/if bombs start hitting the GCC again.

Your leaders are just delaying the inevitable, just as Turkey or maybe Pakistan as well.

 

[KAL-EL]

I know right. The OP should have started with a US perspective, but just like you we are all really struggling to get it. Have we already won the war but just not won enough? Are we looking for wmds again, or a regime change, or missile factories, or all of the above, or none of the above, or just oil (as our president recently said). Sadly, no one knows yet.

My friend, I wish this war never started to begin with and I'll just leave it at that.

thank you for your thoughtful response

 

[_Arabia_]

They gave up lands seized during war due to American pressure.

Sinai

"Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in phases between 1979 and 1982, with the final withdrawal completed on April 25, 1982, as part of the 1979 Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty. The return was facilitated by the U.S.-mediated Camp David Accords (1978) in exchange for peace, recognition, and the demilitarization of the peninsula, ending a 15-year Israeli occupation that began in the 1967 Six-Day War."

Gaza

"Israel completed its unilateral disengagement from the Gaza Strip on September 12, 2005, withdrawing all troops and evacuating 21 Jewish settlements, ending 38 years of military presence. While Israel ceased direct internal control, it maintained control over Gaza’s borders, airspace, and coastline, resulting in ongoing, contested international recognition of it as an occupied territory."

Golan Heights not returned to Syria.

Now they aim to control Gaza again and South Lebanon.

I am just saying that there is no real comparison about who has benefited the most.

All that one needs to look at is economic power (size), where tiny UAE alone has a larger GDP than Israel let alone the wider GCC which has an economy many times larger. Not to mention sovereign wealth funds (alone) worth 7 trillion USD. Israel, from what I am aware of, does not even have a single sovereign wealth fund. Let alone investments across the world.

Another thing is that Israel is a tiny country. It is smaller than UAE. The GCC alone is around 125-130 times larger with KSA alone being 108 times larger.

Not even going to talk about natural wealth. KSA alone is the 3rd richest country on the planet in terms of natural and mineral wealth.

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Israel (Jews) are even outnumbered within historical Palestine. They are a minority within their own supposed claimed land.

Since 1948 they have lived under perpetual conflict. Unlikely to change.

For an illegal colonial project - they have had some success, I have to admit that, but not sure if they are the biggest winners here. I would take the ground realities of the GCC 1 billion times over.

They gave up lands seized during war due to American pressure.

Sinai

"Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in phases between 1979 and 1982, with the final withdrawal completed on April 25, 1982, as part of the 1979 Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty. The return was facilitated by the U.S.-mediated Camp David Accords (1978) in exchange for peace, recognition, and the demilitarization of the peninsula, ending a 15-year Israeli occupation that began in the 1967 Six-Day War."

Gaza

"Israel completed its unilateral disengagement from the Gaza Strip on September 12, 2005, withdrawing all troops and evacuating 21 Jewish settlements, ending 38 years of military presence. While Israel ceased direct internal control, it maintained control over Gaza’s borders, airspace, and coastline, resulting in ongoing, contested international recognition of it as an occupied territory."

Golan Heights not returned to Syria.

Now they aim to control Gaza again and South Lebanon.

Golan Heights where lost by the failed Al-Assad regime and all the past failures were also the work of the failed (read FAKE) "Arab nationalists" of the past. Idiots like that Nasser, Hafiz al-Assad and other clowns. No wonder that they were failures. Most of the Arab world had no involvement in their failures.

They were all charlatans that did not care about Palestine but only used it to boost their own internal power.

We have Nasser on record admitting to never caring about Palestine.

 

[hussain0216]

But that is the propaganda that you have bought into.

Thinking that a few useless drones and a few ballistic missiles can destroy the infrastructure of a region (GCC) that is 2 times the size of Iran and which has 100 times more infrastructure (well-developed) than Iran.

More so thinking that KSA, the real GCC power, is even remotely destroyed in any way, shape or form.

That my friend is called severe delusion. I suggest you ask the many compatriots of yours that are based in KSA and they will be able to confirm. Many already did in previous discussions. Go take a look at the flight radar and take a look at KSA. 1000's flights each day. KSA was already an aviation hub prior to the war - this has only increased twofold since.

Even UAE, most hard hit, is mostly fine and nothing of worth is destroyed. Dubai and Abu Dhabi is still standing. All its landmarks as well. All its key infrastructure too. Same thing in tiny Bahrain.

I am sorry to mention this to you but do you really believe that there is any GCC leadership that has any love lost for Iran or is sad that their regime is severely damaged?

What trillions of US weapons? No such thing.

Are you sure? Because last time I checked almost all the equipment that successfully shots down 90-95% of all Iranian firecrackers is US made. The same US bases are actively helping in that endeavor.

Using that logic, the US does not care about Israel or their own (US bases) one bit either as they have been targeted too.

This is war, due to geographic proximity and laws of physics, there is bound to be a bit of material damage.

So the U.S plunges the entire region into war

Doesn't give a shit about the Arabs, your economies, your people
Gives the GCC a severe economic beating,

ALL JUST TO PLEASE THE JEWS

It even removes A.D to try and protect Israel and leaves Arab states on their own to face the consequences of hosting U.S bases which have now proven useless


So what's the plan for the arabs???

Get rid of worthless U.S bases which have become a target and risk, rather then a security plus

As per Iranian demands start oil trading in Yuan

Stand together against Israel, as the architect of this destructive war?



Or continue to suck U.S and Jew balls, even though you didn't matter one tiny itty bitty little bit when fcuked you over to start this war????

 

[_Arabia_]

So the U.S plunges the entire region into war

Doesn't give a shit about the Arabs, your economies, your people
Gives the GCC a severe economic beating,

ALL JUST TO PLEASE THE JEWS

It even removes A.D to try and protect Israel and leaves Arab states on their own to face the consequences of hosting U.S bases which have now proven useless


So what's the plan for the arabs???

Get rid of worthless U.S bases which have become a target and risk, rather then a security plus

As per Iranian demands start oil trading in Yuan

Stand together against Israel, as the architect of this destructive war?



Or continue to suck U.S and Jew balls, even though you didn't matter one tiny itty bitty little bit when fcuked you over to start this war????

What is the point of you repeating your false delusions and this time around using bold script as if that will somehow make your arguments better or more correct?

I already wrote to you that KSA alone makes 2-3 times the money from oil sales than prior to the conflict. KSA has become even more of an aviation hub after this conflict. More people have left for KSA from the smaller GCC states. The most hard his entity in the GCC (UAE) was until recently the main regional adversary of KSA.

KSA is the strategic depth of the GCC. This conflict will move human capital and capital away from the smaller GCC states to KSA. A development that was already in place before the conflict began with most of the world's main companies setting up their headquarters in KSA.

No AD has been removed from KSA or the GCC. In fact AD systems from across the world have been moved to the GCC and Israel from places like Australia, South Korea and elsewhere. Not the other way around.

Nothing other than US bases and US military equipment, at least in KSA, has been targeted.

Understand one simple thing. The Iranian regime is either going to be removed, severely degraded economically, militarily and industrially (already the case) or reformed by force (another Shah vassal state like throughout most of their modern history). You are beyond deluded if you think that the US and Israel will not achieve their long-term goals one way or another. They have all the playing cards. If push comes to show the Israelis will use tactical nukes, I have no doubt about that. They consider the Iranian regime an existential threat and they will go to long lengths to use the prospect of a nuclear armed Iran (and de facto a nuclear armed neighborhood) to do what they consider necessary. And nobody is going to do anything about it just like nobody is doing anything to prevent Iran from being carpet bombed 24/7. The only thing the Chinese and Russians are doing is giving satellite imagery to Iran and likely some mild military and economic support. None of them will ever enter the conflict directly and in the case of Russia the destruction of Iran and the region (oil and gas infrastructure) plays right into their own hands and goals. Which is the opposite goal of China which is heavily reliant on Arab oil and gas (in particular).

 

[جوبا]

If we remove all off topic posts from this thread it will go back to just one page.

 

[_Arabia_]

@Starlord

You are a writing quite a bit of nonsense with all due respect.

Nothing in the GCC of worth has been destroyed nor is it going to be destroyed by a few useless drones and largely firecrackers (ballistic missiles). What has been disrupted in places like the UAE is tourism. As well as the disruption of the Strait of Hormuz but that, in the case of KSA, has been solved by the West-East pipeline (KSA is now exporting 7 million barrels of oil daily)

Saudi pipeline to bypass Hormuz hits 7 million barrel goal | Fortune

Flotillas of tankers have been redirected to the Red Sea port of Yanbu to collect the oil, providing an important lifeline for global supply.

fortune.com

Making a fortune. 2-3 times more money than previously.

Oman and UAE has access to the Gulf of Oman and Arabian Sea directly so they are less impacted.

The main losers are Kuwait and Qatar but KSA is helping them a lot by transporting their oil and gas through KSA territory. KSA has served as a land bridge for all the smaller GCC states in every sphere. KSA could earn a fortune on this but is doing it mostly for free.

You still do not understand that the destruction/removal/severe weakening of the Iranian regime and all its regional proxies plays right into the hands of KSA and the wider GCC? Those are our biggest adversaries and enemies as well.

Unlike other stupid regional leadership (speaking about stupid leadership), such as the Iranian regime and their terrorist proxies, we are not stupid enough to wage a war against a nuclear armed state (Israel) that is 24/7 protected and supported by the world's superpower (USA). The same Israel which has 20% Arab Muslim population, 2/3 of their Israeli Jews being Arab Jews and an entity that is unlikely to go anywhere anytime soon. Therefore the solution (short-term at least) is a diplomatic solution.

If our leadership were retarded they would have turned our country, wealth, people into a failed entity like Iran. Or the other failed entities in the region of the past that were destroyed completely due to stupid leadership. And what have they to show for? Nothing. Did they defeat Israel? No, Israel is stronger than ever before.

Let us look at the ground realities. Genocide in Gaza with most of Hamas destroyed and large portions of Gaza annexed/under Israeli control. Continued Israeli illegal settlements in the West Bank with no stop/end in sight. Hezbollah severely degraded and most of their previous leadership annihilated. Houthis weakened and no longer a regional factor. They waited 4 weeks before they launched 2-3 missiles at Israel. PMF in Iraq degraded as well with the Iraqi government at an internal war of power with that faction within Iraq. Iran carpet bombed and severely weakened. Much of their leadership annihilated.

Do you see which direction things are moving into?

And let us be perfectly clear so everyone gets this simple fact once and for all. KSA is not the GCC and KSA is a special country that hosts Makkah and Madinah. There are severely different dynamics at play here that I do not need to write much about in great detail because it is self-evident.

 

[Waz]

As the Iran war stretches into its second month, anger is mounting among some White House officials, according to a new report.

Discontent over the Middle East conflict is concentrated among younger, “more-right wing” staffers, an unnamed source with knowledge of the matter told Politico.


“They’re very frustrated,” the individual said. “They didn’t love the war to start with, and since it began, the constantly contradictory messaging from the president himself, is just brutal, brutal for staff to deal with and making their life really hard. He puts his people in a really tough position, especially people who are public-facing.”

The 79‑year‑old Republican president and other senior administration officials have offered up multiple justifications for the war, citing an imminent Iranian threat to the U.S. while also pointing to regime change as a factor. Trump has also sent mixed signals about when the conflict might end and whether or not he intends to deploy ground troops.

A White House spokesperson dismissed the Politico report, claiming that, by waging the war, the Republican president is acting on issues central to younger generations.



“What matters most to the American people – including young men – is having a Commander-in-Chief who takes decisive action to eliminate threats and keep them safe, which is exactly what President Trump is doing with the ongoing successful Operation Epic Fury,” White House spokesperson Davis Ingle told the outlet.

Yet, polls show a striking generational divide among Trump voters over the military conflict, which has swept across the Middle East and raised alarm over potential worldwide economic disruption.

Just 49 percent of male Trump voters under the age of 35 believe the president has a plan in Iran, compared to more than 70 percent over 35, according to a Politico survey released earlier this month. At the same time, less than half of young men who back Trump said they’re willing to sacrifice the lives of American servicemembers in the campaign, while 66 percent of older MAGA men said the same.


“You see a big age split on this,” Posobiec told The Washington Post earlier this week, adding that he observed the fault line at Turning Point USA events on college campuses, at which students “were just not on board” with the war.

“Not in a sense that they’re anti-American military or pro-Iran or something, but just that they feel that if this war takes place, it’ll take precedence over their issues,” Posobiec said.

While Posobiec has expressed mixed feelings about the war, a number of other prominent right-wing media personalities have explicitly come out against it. Tucker Carlson, who has a large following of young men, has decried the military offensive as “absolutely disgusting and evil,” while Megyn Kelly has compared it to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

A force of about 3,500 US Marines and sailors arrived in the Middle East on Friday, US Central Command announced on Saturday (US Central Command)
Since the war was launched jointly by the U.S. and Israel on February 28, thousands of targets have been struck inside Iran. Tehran has responded by lobbing retaliatory strikes on numerous nearby nations, including Israel, Qatar, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. To date, more than 3,300 Iranians have died, rights group HRANA reported this week, and 13 U.S. servicemembers have been killed, the Pentagon has said.


Trump has given no clear timeline for when the conflict will end, but recent developments indicate the U.S. may be preparing to devote more resources to the region.

On Saturday, U.S. Central Command announced that about 3,500 Marines and sailors had arrived in the Middle East, bolstering the roughly 50,000 troops already stationed there. Reports also suggest the Pentagon plans to dispatch at least 1,000 soldiers from the 82nd Airborne Division.

Multiple polls show that Americans remain broadly opposed to the conflict. According to a Pew Research Center survey published this week, 59 percent of Americans believe the U.S. made the wrong decision by using military force in Iran, while 38 percent said it made the right decision.

The Independent has contacted the White House for comment.

MSN

I guess Israel matters more?

One thing we all know US military enlistment will be nothing but a trickle from now on.

 

[hussain0216]

@Starlord

You are a writing quite a bit of nonsense with all due respect.

Nothing in the GCC of worth has been destroyed nor is it going to be destroyed by a few useless drones and largely firecrackers (ballistic missiles). What has been disrupted in places like the UAE is tourism. As well as the disruption of the Strait of Hormuz but that, in the case of KSA, has been solved by the West-East pipeline (KSA is now exporting 7 million barrels of oil daily)

Saudi pipeline to bypass Hormuz hits 7 million barrel goal | Fortune

Flotillas of tankers have been redirected to the Red Sea port of Yanbu to collect the oil, providing an important lifeline for global supply.

fortune.com

Making a fortune. 2-3 times more money than previously.

Oman and UAE has access to the Gulf of Oman and Arabian Sea directly so they are less impacted.

The main losers are Kuwait and Qatar but KSA is helping them a lot by transporting their oil and gas through KSA territory. KSA has served as a land bridge for all the smaller GCC states in every sphere. KSA could earn a fortune on this but is doing it mostly for free.

You still do not understand that the destruction/removal/severe weakening of the Iranian regime and all its regional proxies plays right into the hands of KSA and the wider GCC? Those are our biggest adversaries and enemies as well.

Unlike other stupid regional leadership (speaking about stupid leadership), such as the Iranian regime and their terrorist proxies, we are not stupid enough to wage a war against a nuclear armed state (Israel) that is 24/7 protected and supported by the world's superpower (USA). The same Israel which has 20% Arab Muslim population, 2/3 of their Israeli Jews being Arab Jews and an entity that is unlikely to go anywhere anytime soon. Therefore the solution (short-term at least) is a diplomatic solution.

If our leadership were retarded they would have turned our country, wealth, people into a failed entity like Iran. Or the other failed entities in the region of the past that were destroyed completely due to stupid leadership. And what have they to show for? Nothing. Did they defeat Israel? No, Israel is stronger than ever before.

Let us look at the ground realities. Genocide in Gaza with most of Hamas destroyed and large portions of Gaza annexed/under Israeli control. Continued Israeli illegal settlements in the West Bank with no stop/end in sight. Hezbollah severely degraded and most of their previous leadership annihilated. Houthis weakened and no longer a regional factor. They waited 4 weeks before they launched 2-3 missiles at Israel. PMF in Iraq degraded as well with the Iraqi government at an internal war of power with that faction within Iraq. Iran carpet bombed and severely weakened. Much of their leadership annihilated.

Do you see which direction things are moving into?

And let us be perfectly clear so everyone gets this simple fact once and for all. KSA is not the GCC and KSA is a special country that hosts Makkah and Madinah. There are severely different dynamics at play here that I do not need to write much about in great detail because it is self-evident.

The Arabs inability to stand up, for the faith, the region, the people and become vassals for the U.S and Zionists has led you to humiliation

See the writing on the wall, see what everyone is saying about you,


Let me repeat

Iran is a large nation of of 93 million people

They have hidden and underground facilities to keep their war efforts going
They too pumping more oil then before the war and getting more then double the price they were getting before

Iran has hammered every U.S base in the region

Destroyed every U.S radar

And if anyone wants to end the war then, they will be forced to agree to Iranian terms

No more U.S bases or radars or presence


The U.S is already pulling back and may establish bases in Israel TO PROTECT ISRAEL


Iran may be under attack but look at how much respect they are getting compared to the Arab kinglets who even Trump is humiliating


The U.S is being forced into a RETARDED attempt at ground invasion of a massive 93 million strong state, THINK ABOUT THAT

It won't be sustainable


You've handed all the cards to Iran and all Iran has to do is keep going, and nations and economic consequences will do the rest




Israel isn't in great shape, it's setting itself up for immense pain and failure and expulsion of Jews from the middle east


See the bigger picture
The nations of the region will create a different security alliance outside of the U.S, the Arabs can either join or remain slaves of the Zionists

 

[Waz]

Rob Schneider has a plan for the United States.

The "Deuce Bigalow: Male Gigolo" actor shared an iconic Kennedy quote on X over the weekend, before urging his followers to consider a new path for the country.

"'Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.' - John F. Kennedy," Schneider wrote online.

"We must once again recommit ourselves to one Nation under God, indivisible. Therefore, we must restore the military draft for our nation’s young people."

Rob Schneider proposes military draft, urges Americans to 'recommit' to traditional values

Actor Rob Schneider invoked a JFK quote on X while calling for restoring the military draft, urging every American to serve two years of service at 18.

www.foxnews.com

Roy should go ahead, and die for this worthy cause;

 

[Davey Crockett]

 

[Davey Crockett]

 

[_Arabia_]

The Arabs inability to stand up, for the faith, the region, the people and become vassals for the U.S and Zionists has led you to humiliation

See the writing on the wall, see what everyone is saying about you,


Let me repeat

Iran is a large nation of of 93 million people

They have hidden and underground facilities to keep their war efforts going
They too pumping more oil then before the war and getting more then double the price they were getting before

Iran has hammered every U.S base in the region

Destroyed every U.S radar

And if anyone wants to end the war then, they will be forced to agree to Iranian terms

No more U.S bases or radars or presence


The U.S is already pulling back and may establish bases in Israel TO PROTECT ISRAEL


Iran may be under attack but look at how much respect they are getting compared to the Arab kinglets who even Trump is humiliating


The U.S is being forced into a RETARDED attempt at ground invasion of a massive 93 million strong state, THINK ABOUT THAT

It won't be sustainable


You've handed all the cards to Iran and all Iran has to do is keep going, and nations and economic consequences will do the rest




Israel isn't in great shape, it's setting itself up for immense pain and failure and expulsion of Jews from the middle east


See the bigger picture
The nations of the region will create a different security alliance outside of the U.S, the Arabs can either join or remain slaves of the Zionists

Stand up to what? The Iranian regime and its terrorist proxies are our main adversaries and enemies in the region. There has been no "standing up" and there will be no standing up to that. In fact we will continue to support the destruction of our enemies.

You are living in some parallel universe. Most of Iran has been severely crippled economically and militarily with most of their leadership killed. They have suffered from 100's of billions of USD in economic damage. Close to 10.000 targets have been destroyed in Iran. In recent weeks and days most of their industrial capacity is being destroyed for all to see.

A few caves is not going to change anything let alone drones or ballistic missiles. They are not going to change anything or win even a single battle. The war, by all purposes, is already lost for Iran if the goal was to protect its economy, assets, industrial and military base and people.

KSA/GCC is largely completely unharmed in comparison. In particular KSA.

You are still forgetting the main key thing here. Iran is not winning anything and is never going to defeat the US or Israel. Not only that the US and Israel will never stop before the Iranian regime has either been removed, severely weakened to the degree that it will no longer pose a threat, reformed by force and most importantly until the nuclear topic (supposedly the main reason for this conflict) is solved once and for all. The US and Israel have all the cards and have all the means of upping the ante in this war. Such as targeting civilians directly (as Iran is doing - mostly complete utter failure), massive land invasion (eventually) or the use of tactical nukes.

Iran in return cannot do anything other than what they have already done. The worst thing they can do is damage regional oil and gas infrastructure (which will be rebuilt) and in return all of their oil and gas infrastructure will be destroyed - rendering the main income source of the Iranian regime gone. Which would speed up the Iranian regime collapse. And unlike the GCC (which can not only easily afford to rebuild) Iran cannot and will not be allowed to if the regime somehow remains intact.

And that is without all the other cards that the US and Israel can play such as support of active separatist groups within Iran, activating more sleeper cells (we have already seen videos from inside Iran where armed people are killing iRGC soldiers in broad daylight).

You are beyond deluded if you think that Israel, after all their recent success in the region (militarily) will not pursue their goals until the very end in Iran. They are not a rational actor. As I wrote I have no doubt that they would happily use tactical nuclear weapons on Iran if they ever felt like it or were ever genuinely threatened. Would anyone make them accountable? I highly doubt it.

And for all we know Israel and the US main goal might not even be regime change. Israel as I wrote likely prefers a perpetually failed and weak Iran over another potential regional competitor. Because a regime change in Iran would most likely mean a more pro-Western regime - which in return means massive US/West/Arab/Jewish/Israeli investments into Iran (untapped market). So this might not even be about regime change but castrating Iran and removing the nuclear threat. Or Balkanization or whatever.

The end result will be the same regardless - a destroyed and severely weakened Iran, their proxies included.

 

[lightning f57]

Here's what I think the US objectives for this war of aggression has been, in this order:

1. Regime change
2. Destruction of Irans industrial base to make missiles
3. Securing nuclear material

When the first one failed right away 2 more were added:

4. Opening Straits of Hormuz​

5. Controling Irans oil​

​

So far none of these objectives met despite the mass bombing.

What was Israels objective which has not changed till today

• Destruction of Iran as a state or as a threat.

Without regime change I dont see how objectives 3, 4, and 5 can be met. Realistically objective 2 will be the one most likely met but im sure China and Russia after the war can help Iran rebuild that.

So trumpy has left little options for himself, its either go all in and deploy ground forces and make this Ukraine 2.0, or accept the reality and come to a regional security arrangement with some sort of non aggression pact with Strait of Homuz open for all and sanctions lifted on Iran. But his too arrogant and unhinged to do that so we are heading to many years of real instability which will effect the whole world, more directly eastern europe and south asia.

The real winner of this is Israel, check mated the Islamic world and bogged US down in another war while the US real competitor quietly watches, gets stronger and learns from these foolish moves.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

.... But this segment of users here on PDF want to silence people who are not pro-Mullah regime. In fact no country is because Iran has no real allies other than the terrorist proxies that they have created in a bloody and horrible fashion in all the relevant countries. That should tell you everything. ...

Some Muslims are being coerced into supporting the religious fanatics of Iran - they think it's for the greater good.

... You cannot find a single post of mine that rejoices at any civilian Iranians dying or anything alike while I can find 100's of posts of pro-Iran regime bots who are actively calling for the murder of people (civilians) in the region and attacks on civilian targets. ...

Yes. People have very short memories. They've forgotten how the Iranian hyper-nationalists supported the barrel bombings of schools, hospitals, towns and villages in Syria for almost a decade.

15/04/2021: In Nine Years, the Syrian Regime Has Dropped Nearly 82,000 Barrel Bombs, Killing 11,087 Civilians, Including 1,821 Children: Relief Web

I don't know why Iranians thought tens of thousands of barrel bombing was a good thing to happen to Syrian children back then, but it's so bad that out of 11,000 US airstrikes on Iran, one has hit the school.