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I specifically wrote 'out of status'. Once you are out of status then, regardless of how you entered, you have violated immigration laws and can be deported. I also wrote how a judge or amnesty laws can save a person.

You do know the Biden proposal excluded out of status person, right? You need to pass a background check to get on Biden scheme.

You do know that's the same in Australia and pretty sure every western country in the world. Right? Nobody will give you a visa if you had failed a character check.

All you did was to confirm every single thing I wrote.

The point, which I already stated and people can read in my earlier post so there is no point in me repeating it, is that the Dems are playing the demographic lottery based on past voting patterns. Again, no one is counting on individual actions, but demographic patterns.

Well, I don't know how I confirm your point, I mean, it could well be a ploy, I don't know, I am not working for the dem, but for it to be a ploy, it has to be a short term gain, because who knows how the voting is going to be 5 or 10 years down the road, you don't play policy in long term, any long term policy is by definition, vague, because you don't know what is going to be the campaign issue in the next decade.

And it's kind of pointless for the long run to give people that are going to get their green card anyway to vote for them, I mean, if biden is blanketing the amnesty, sure, a lot of people are going to vote for him in 5 or 10 years (or her, if Harris continue this policy) but like you said, dem may lose, which mean there are no guarantee this policy is going to even go ahead in the long term had they lose this or the next election, making this move a moot point as any sort of a scheme really.........
 
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You do know the Biden proposal excluded out of status person, right? You need to pass a background check to get on Biden scheme.

Biden's order applies to 'undocumented spouses'. Undocumented means they have no documents to prove their legal status which includes 'out of status'.

You do know that's the same in Australia and pretty sure every western country in the world. Right? Nobody will give you a visa if you had failed a character check.

Now you are bringing in irrelevant issues. No one is talking about character or people who have committed crimes (besides becoming out of status).

Well, I don't know how I confirm your point, I mean, it could well be a ploy, I don't know, I am not working for the dem, but for it to be a ploy, it has to be a short term gain, because who knows how the voting is going to be 5 or 10 years down the road, you don't play policy in long term, any long term policy is by definition, vague, because you don't know what is going to be the campaign issue in the next decade.

It takes five years after PR (three for miliary service) to become a citizen and vote. Of course, this is a medium/long term strategy. No one is saying these people will suddenly vote on Nov 5 this year.
 
Biden's order applies to 'undocumented spouses'. Undocumented means they have no documents to prove their legal status which includes 'out of status'.

Huh? undocumented mean you cannot track whatever happened in his/her past, if he/she, had committed a crime in the US, or otherwise made out of status (either committing a crime or being unlawful present), you are going thru a fingerprint and booking process (and most likely DNA nowadays), I don't think being undoc will help you.......

You can't be untraceable if you are out of state unless you did commit a crime and never get caught, if so, how are you out of state?

Now you are bringing in irrelevant issues. No one is talking about character or people who have committed crimes (besides becoming out of status).

You can only be out of state if you committed a crime, out of status mean you violate the term/status of your stay, or strictly go against the visa condition, since you don't have a visa as an illegal alien, that only mean if an illegal entrant is out of state, he/she has to committed a crime in the US to become out of state.....

Again, just by gaining entry illegally in the US alone is not out of status....since it technically have no status at all

It takes five years after PR (three for miliary service) to become a citizen and vote. Of course, this is a medium/long term strategy. No one is saying these people will suddenly vote on Nov 5 this year.

Again, these people that covered are going to get their visa in 10 years AT MOST if this scheme is not in place, what really is the different for 5 or 10 years if we are talking about the long term?

If this scheme is a political ploy to sort of "groom" illegal to vote for the Dem, it has to be a short term scheme, they wanted people to vote for them now, not 10 years down the road.........a lot of things can happen in 5 to 10 years
 
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Huh? undocumented mean you cannot track whatever happened in his/her past, if he/she, had committed a crime in the US, or otherwise made out of status (either committing a crime or being unlawful present), you are going thru a fingerprint and booking process (and most likely DNA nowadays), I don't think being undoc will help you.......

You can't be untraceable if you are out of state unless you did commit a crime and never get caught, if so, how are you out of state?

Undocumented means you cannot provide documents to prove your right to be in the US on that day. The burden of proof is on YOU, not the USCIS so, if you cannot provide legal documents, then you are 'out of status'.

You can only be out of state if you committed a crime, out of status mean you violate the term/status of your stay, or strictly go against the visa condition, since you don't have a visa as an illegal alien, that only mean if an illegal entrant is out of state, he/she has to committed a crime in the US to become out of state.....

Again, just by gaining entry illegally in the US alone is not out of status....since it technically have no status at all

I already explained above and all readers can read it. You are running all over the place as usual. It's not about character, it's not about crimes. Bottom line, it doesn't matter if you entered legally or illegally. If you cannot provide documents then you are out of status.

The USCIS doesn't have to prove that you entered illegally or legally. YOU have to provide evidence that you have a right to be in the US on that day. You don't have to provide documents on the spot. You can get a birth certificate or sworn affidavit or all sorts of documents and then a judge can decide the validity of your claim.

Again, these people that covered are going to get their visa in 10 years AT MOST if this scheme is not in place, what really is the different for 5 or 10 years if we are talking about the long term?

It makes all the difference. The next administration could deport them before they became legalized.

If this scheme is a political ploy to sort of "groom" illegal to vote for the Dem, it has to be a short term scheme, they wanted people to vote for them now, not 10 years down the road.........a lot of things can happen in 5 to 10 years

Nobody is grooming anybody. I won't repeat myself a fourth time because most readers understand what it means to study demographic voting trends and to form policies based on those trends.
 
Undocumented means you cannot provide documents to prove your right to be in the US on that day. The burden of proof is on YOU, not the USCIS so, if you cannot provide legal documents, then you are 'out of status'.

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That's not how the law works.....There are no law for anyone (legal or illegal) to prove your right to be in the US. IF YOU ARE ALREADY IN THE US. The government can't ask this question on either legal or illegal immigrant......that's a 4th amendment violation.....you can ask me to show prove of my US citizenship as a private citizen, the government can't, that's why national ID is not a thing in the US.

Otherwise I as a US citizens would have been arrested multiple time.......

Also, out of status mean you breach your visa condition




I already explained above and all readers can read it. You are running all over the place as usual. It's not about character, it's not about crimes. Bottom line, it doesn't matter if you entered legally or illegally. If you cannot provide documents then you are out of status.

Again, the only way one can be out of status is for you to violate your visa condition.

Otherwise please show proof that being undocumented alone is already enough to be out of status?

I can't find one single legal aspect of it, whether it's from the US Constitution or any immigration lawyer, including my wife.

Show me in what legal passage "If you cannot provide documents then you are out of status" You keep saying that does not mean there is a law for it, I will accept passage on the US Constitution or Lawyer Pages to support your claim.

The USCIS doesn't have to prove that you entered illegally or legally. YOU have to provide evidence that you have a right to be in the US on that day. You don't have to provide documents on the spot. You can get a birth certificate or sworn affidavit or all sorts of documents and then a judge can decide the validity of your claim.

Again, USCIS Can't ask you to prove anything, as due process clause, the only instant where they can ask you for your travel document is from port of entry when they are checking you, I don't think that's where the illegal came from tho.

It makes all the difference. The next administration could deport them before they became legalized.

They CAN'T deport them, that's the difference.........

They can't deport them now, that's where the law is now regardless on whether or not Biden issue that executive order.

Nobody is grooming anybody. I won't repeat myself a fourth time because most readers understand what it means to study demographic voting trends and to form policies based on those trends.

You do know that's the definition of grooming, right? It does not have to be in a sexual sense.........

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That's not how the law works.....There are no law for anyone (legal or illegal) to prove your right to be in the US. IF YOU ARE ALREADY IN THE US. The government can't ask this question on either legal or illegal immigrant......that's a 4th amendment violation.....you can ask me to show prove of my US citizenship as a private citizen, the government can't, that's why national ID is not a thing in the US.

Otherwise I as a US citizens would have been arrested multiple time.......

ICE raids are legal which means that, if you are picked up in an ICE raid, then they can ask you to provide documentation of your right to be in the US. You do not have to carry the documents on you at all times but, if a judge has decided that ICE has justifiable cause to question you, then you must produce documents during the due process.

Just saying "I am a US citizen" won't cut it.

P.S. There used to be border control checkpoints when driving up from San Diego to Los Angeles on I5. I always got waved along so I don't know what they ask and what they are looking for. Maybe just drugs or truck full of illegals.

Also, out of status mean you breach your visa condition

Again, the only way one can be out of status is for you to violate your visa condition.

I already wrote exactly that. Several times.
When you overstay your visa, you have breached the visa condition.

You keep repeating exactly what I wrote and then claiming you have dome something else.

Otherwise please show proof that being undocumented alone is already enough to be out of status?

I can't find one single legal aspect of it, whether it's from the US Constitution or any immigration lawyer, including my wife.

Show me in what legal passage "If you cannot provide documents then you are out of status" You keep saying that does not mean there is a law for it, I will accept passage on the US Constitution or Lawyer Pages to support your claim.


ICE ERO removes noncitizens from the United States who are subject to a final order of removal. ERO facilitates the processing of undocumented noncitizens through the immigration court system and coordinates their departure from the United States

(bolded by me)

LEA are not stupid. They know the tricks people play, they know the law, and they know how to deal with the matter. The judges involved know these things far better than you do. The ACLU watches everything like a hawk so I am sure it's all legal and aboveboard.

Again, USCIS Can't ask you to prove anything, as due process clause, the only instant where they can ask you for your travel document is from port of entry when they are checking you, I don't think that's where the illegal came from tho.

Already addressed above. ICE raids within the US are legal and people get deported after due process.

You do know that's the definition of grooming, right? It does not have to be in a sexual sense.........


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I know the definition very well, YOU don't.
Grooming requires a conscious effort to change someone's behavior.
Nobody is saying that the Democratic Party is grooming anybody to control their vote.

That is your non sequitur fabrication that you injected here for reasons that readers can guess for themselves.
 
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ICE raids are legal which means that, if you are picked up in an ICE raid, then they can ask you to provide documentation of your right to be in the US. You do not have to carry the documents on you at all times but, if a judge has decided that ICE has justifiable cause to question you, then you must produce documents during the due process.

Just saying "I am a US citizen" won't cut it.

P.S. There used to be border control checkpoints when driving up from San Diego to Los Angeles on I5. I always got waved along so I don't know what they ask and what they are looking for. Maybe just drugs or truck full of illegals.

ICE raid required a warrant, they can't just ask you for ID in the street........Law Enforcement (ICE included) cant enter a private premises without a warrant, unless they are setting up Raid in Federal Building or Federal Place (Such as Federal Plaza) They need a warrant to enter a home or a private business.

Interior Checkpoint aren't supposed to check your ID, you don't need to produce your ID, they were supposed to be limited to asking brief question and a brief detain. That's the same right you have when a cop asks you for ID on the street, they would need a probable cause to actually detain you and have you produced such document.

United States v. Martinez-Fuerte 1976 established that these checkpoint contact should be minimal, and supposed to wave local resident, regardless of citizenship and only stop cars that were suspicious (Which give them the probable cause that illegal activities had occurred) at the secondary interview area.



I already wrote exactly that. Several times.
When you overstay your visa, you have breached the visa condition.

You keep repeating exactly what I wrote and then claiming you have dome something else.

How? Illegal DON'T have visa.........

Show me where this website said what you claim.



ICE ERO removes noncitizens from the United States who are subject to a final order of removal. ERO facilitates the processing of undocumented noncitizens through the immigration court system and coordinates their departure from the United States

(bolded by me)

LEA are not stupid. They know the tricks people play, they know the law, and they know how to deal with the matter. The judges involved know these things far better than you do. The ACLU watches everything like a hawk so I am sure it's all legal and aboveboard.



Already addressed above. ICE raids within the US are legal and people get deported after due process.

These all are going around and around with the definition of "Out of Status" which you still have not been proven being undoc illegal alone is out of status.

First, it requires a final order of removal from aa judge as I said in the beginning.

ICE ERO removes noncitizens from the United States who are subject to a final order of removal.

CIS/ICE can't remove anyone that was not listed in 8 USC 1227 unless there is an order from a judge, that is the reason why we have this problem since 1996 to begin with

On the other hand, as I said, it is a moot point to begin with, even if I conceded and these people are out of status and subject to forcible removal and being removed and bar from re-entry for up to 10 years. Then what? They already married a US Citizens and already had children that were US Citizens, they can simply apply for a green card and get status in 10 years (Usually less than 10 years).

Again, you are arguing this is a medium to long play, so as I ask you the 5th time, if this is a long play, how is it different giving them green card now and wait 5 years so they can vote, than have then deport now and give them green card in 10 years so they can be a citizen and can vote?

Again, THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET GREEN CARD ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

I know the definition very well, YOU don't.
Grooming requires a conscious effort to change someone's behavior.
Nobody is saying that the Democratic Party is grooming anybody to control their vote.

That is your non sequitur fabrication that you injected here for reasons that readers can guess for themselves.
Dude, I literally just quote you the oxford dictionary definition of grooming.

So you are saying you know the definition better than Oxford Dictionary?

And aren't what you are arguing is the Dem making a conscious effort to change the status for illegal alien in order to facilitate to vote for them? If this is not then what are you arguing or are you saying they accidentally try to make law that favour them in election??

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Dude,

Give it up

You wandered out of your very narrow field of expertise on military aircraft and ended up exposing your ignorance once again. This is literally the third or fourth time you have done it on this website alone.

Readers can read the thread and see EXACTLY what I wrote and how you keep twisting and turning desperately to inject new strawmen that you then knock down in your imagination.

Once again, we should put a GPS tracker on you so you don't wander out of your paper thin expertise on military aircraft and into topics where you have ZERO knowledge.

ICE raid required a warrant, they can't just ask you for ID in the street........

I never said they will pick anybody off the streets. This is YOUR strawman that YOU injected because you have ZERO knowledge of the subject and keep injecting new things which you then debunk.

Readers can verify by reading the thread.

How? Illegal DON'T have visa.........

Show me where this website said what you claim.

These all are going around and around with the definition of "Out of Status" which you still have not been proven being undoc illegal alone is out of status.

(response A)

Readers can see where I already addressed this.

You need to get yourself a primary English comprehension book and go back and read the thread. I will not waste time repeating myself again.

First, it requires a final order of removal from aa judge as I said in the beginning.

ICE ERO removes noncitizens from the United States who are subject to a final order of removal.

CIS/ICE can't remove anyone that was not listed in 8 USC 1227 unless there is an order from a judge, that is the reason why we have this problem since 1996 to begin with

See (response A) above.

On the other hand, as I said, it is a moot point to begin with, even if I conceded and these people are out of status and subject to forcible removal and being removed and bar from re-entry for up to 10 years. Then what? They already married a US Citizens and already had children that were US Citizens, they can simply apply for a green card and get status in 10 years (Usually less than 10 years).

Again, you are arguing this is a medium to long play, so as I ask you the 5th time, if this is a long play, how is it different giving them green card now and wait 5 years so they can vote, than have then deport now and give them green card in 10 years so they can be a citizen and can vote?

See (response A) above.

Again, THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET GREEN CARD ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.


Dude, I literally just quote you the oxford dictionary definition of grooming.

So you are saying you know the definition better than Oxford Dictionary?

I know the definition; Oxford dictionary knows the definition; you don't since YOU used that word in a context where it does not apply. That was yet another strawman that YOU injected because you are desperate and flailing around.

And aren't what you are arguing is the Dem making a conscious effort to change the status for illegal alien in order to facilitate to vote for them? If this is not then what are you arguing or are you saying they accidentally try to make law that favour them in election??

Giving someone legal status does NOT mean they are conditioning them to vote Democrat. I wrote that they are playing the 'demographic lottery' which means they are counting on people to behave as they would anyway and believe that the numbers game will favor them.

I also wrote multiple times that they cannot count on any single individual 's behavior but only on group trends based on past demographic data.

Once again, you need to get yourself an English comprehension book pronto and read it from cover to cover.

I have already spent enough time on you. Readers can see the posts in this thread and decide for themselves.

This conversation is over.
 
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Dude,

Give it up

You wandered out of your very narrow field of expertise on military aircraft and ended up exposing your ignorance once again. This is literally the third or fourth time you have done it on this website alone.

Readers can read the thread and see EXACTLY what I wrote and how you keep twisting and turning desperately to inject new strawmen that you then knock down in your imagination.

Once again, we should put a GPS tracker on you so you don't wander out of your paper thin expertise on military aircraft and into topics where you have ZERO knowledge.

Yes, I have ZERO knowledge on how Federal Law Enforcement like ICE work...

You do know I am a FLETC certified GS-13, right? And was a Detective in PA PD for over 11 years?? If you even know what that mean. What a Federal LE can and cannot do is the first thing they teach you at FLETC.

At the same time, you offer ZERO proof of anything you said, other than you said it.

I never said they will pick anybody off the streets. This is YOUR strawman that YOU injected because you have ZERO knowledge of the subject and keep injecting new things which you then debunk.

Readers can verify by reading the thread.

No, you injected it by saying ICE can pull Interior Roadblock on Interstate I-5

There is no other reason to mention it in the post unless you are implying they can stop you on I-5 and ask you for ID illegal immigrant, which against, is false as per US v Martienz Fuerte.

(response A)

Readers can see where I already addressed this.

You need to get yourself a primary English comprehension book and go back and read the thread. I will not waste time repeating myself again.



See (response A) above.



See (response A) above.



I know the definition; Oxford dictionary knows the definition; you don't since YOU used that word in a context where it does not apply. That was yet another strawman that YOU injected because you are desperate and flailing around.



Giving someone legal status does NOT mean they are conditioning them to vote Democrat. I wrote that they are playing the 'demographic lottery' which means they are counting on people to behave as they would anyway and believe that the numbers game will favor them.

I also wrote multiple times that they cannot count on any single individual 's behavior but only on group trends based on past demographic data.

Once again, you need to get yourself an English comprehension book pronto and read it from cover to cover.

I have already spent enough time on you. Readers can see the posts in this thread and decide for themselves.

This conversation is over.

You are correct in one thing tho, this is a GIANT WASTE OF TIME. Even my wife, who is a JD who barred and "P'ed" (Again, if you know what that mean) in NY and DC said why am I still talking to you.....

The overall theme from me has 2 points,1.) These people are going to be US Citizens regardless, if this is the strategy, it wouldn't work in a long run 2.) giving them Green Card does not mean they will vote for the Democrats, and zero times you have address the issue while other than now you are actually repeating my second point, and wandering into other stuff like ICE and Congress (which mean you don't even know Biden can enact that law with an executive order, otherwise you won't mention congress as that is irreverent)

And then you said

"Giving someone legal status does NOT mean they are conditioning them to vote Democrat."

when you said this before.
It is a medium and long term strategy by the Democratic Party because they feel that the demographic mix of illegal aliens will vote overwhelmingly Democrat once they become US citizens.



Get the illegals processed before the next POTUS/Congress combo nixes the plan? I don't know if the USCIS has become super efficient of late, LOL.

Then what is it? Is it a medium- and long-term strategy by the Democratic party or is it not a strategy because giving them legal status does not mean they are conditioning them to vote for democrats? That's my point by the way at post #1631

It wouldn't be any different than anyone who get their green card and vote for the dem. Plus, dem have no control how these people gonna vote in the future, same as everyone else.

Oh, by the way, I was an INFANTRY OFFICER with the United States Army, what the hell are you blabbing about Military Aircraft??
 
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Also an interesting trend in US politics, which has now been normalized, to follow; Indian Americans and going for the top job, from both sides; Democrat and Republican.
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