World Bank places Pakistan in MENA, ending South Asia classification

[peagle]

The audacity of these Gangetic forest dweller dalits never fails to amuse me.

You don't get to claim the people, alot of whose ancestors have emptied your treasuries for a millennium. We aren't your lost brothers; we're a distinct Indus civilization which keeps the gangus from getting ravaged by the people West of Indus. Their history books still have PTSD and they still are perfecting the art of bending over.

The IMF just gave a clean map of South Asia: India and its little sidekicks. And it’s driving the dalits insane because it finally draws a line between us ( and tbh its not deep, just a managerial thing ).

Indians can crying about 'identity complex' while their own women flee the Ganges stench to marry the first man with a drop of non Brahmin blood. We don't want their civilization. We never did. We just took their gold. They need to go back to their septic ganges river and cope

Easy young brother, easy. In you face isn't always good lol no matter how truthful

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

Seems that many anti-Pakistani racists on this thread have been SEVERELY triggered by the world bank classifying Pakistan as a part of MENA.......... .

It's an attack on their Akhand Bharrat fantasy.

 

[hussain0216]

I've had many a conversation with the religious lot full of complaints, but no one has a rational answer.

It's important not to simplify situations to meet your worldview. There's no lack of morality in the Western world, there's a culturally different mindset, that doesn't mean a lack of something, it's just different.

Societies are always evolving, as are Muslim societies, they all contain inherent shortcomings.

When there were racial riots, last year or the year before, there was a societal backlash, I think they called it "not in our name" or something, was that lack of morality? What was that? Everyone came out including the Whites.

Who has been coming out in opposition of Israeli Genocide in Gaza, the majority were always Whites. Is that a lack of morality?

Charities collect billions every year, mostly given by the "Whites" simple because they're the majority. Is that a lack of morality?

They do have a value system, it's actually more resilient then others, that's why they're at the top. Despite the doom and gloom, these Westerners, Whites or whatever you want to call them will continue to be on the top in the foreseeable future.
Societal groups have ups and downs it's a bad idea to look down on someone, anyone. The life you are living is a life designed by these so-called Whites so give them some due, they deserve it.

Let the societies age
Let women become ever more delusional
Let the family be destroyed
Let marriage rates hit all time lows
Let birth rates collapse
Let men become simpish and irresponsible

See where you end up

What kind of rationality are you looking for???

What are the answer to the above for a atheist and how do you resolve at societal level if young men and women don't wish to follow your guidance?



This is where as a Muslim, islam comes into it for us


Years ago I used to work at a company, and was part of a team
Almost everyone was fine there, but their was one dude who I occasionally used to have discussions/arguments about religion/culture

And his argument was always, Muslims should assimilate, that we are oppressing women or our youth,
That we are forcing our way of life and not adapting to the super duper modern world.

And I used to argue back, about why and how our faith and culture provides the basis of our family and community system

Today I would absolutely rip him apart (in discussion)




In the end, we stopped talking to each other yet another argument

This was because whilst he was banging on about how Muslims should assimilate and adopt western values

I pointed out
That he cheats on his wife all the time
And he was currently estranged from him wife because he had found out she had cheated in him
Whilst they were split up, she had started a relationship with the guy she cheated with
He doesn't get to see his children much
He complains about her and their arguments and is responsible for his own food and breakfast

And I pointed out, that I as a Muslim
Have a traditional family, marriage and wife
My house is spotless
My wife makes the effort to keep our house clean, have breakfast and dinner and home cooked meals for her family
I can trust her character and loyalty and my own
My children are raised in my faith and culture and connected to our wider community


Why the fukkity fcuk would I change my situation to follow his fcuked up path


I think he wanted to hit me, but I would have torn him a new azzhole

We didn't speak much after that



For all the high brow bullshit atheists come up with, they really have no answer how to maintain family and communities and what values to teach the youth
And I am making the above statement based upon the reality of the degradation of the relationship and other systems happening across the world and especially in societies that have lost their faith and culture

 

[peagle]

Historically Indians have derived active and passive benefit from being lumped with Pakistanis as "south asians" in a bureaucratic sense.

It has always enabled both a hijacking of Pakistani achievements and a simultaneous plausible deniability of Indian crimes.

Consider the 80s and 90s growing up in UK when "asian unity" against aggression was a trend but in truth, Indians (with the exception of the more active Sikh barhadari) just sort of peeked over the shoulders of Pakistanis to see when it was safe to crawl back out.

Also, consider every time some scam cell centre or some student visa fraud or some hindu/Sikh honour crime is committed in UK that it is reported as a "south asian" matter to permit passive dissociation from India.

But it actually goes well beyond all of that.

It ultimately feeds back into the 1 nation vs 2 nation theory. They have always imagined our nation to be some rebellious sibling that defied Nehru, Gandhi and Golwalkar alike and would ideally be forced to come back into the eternal Bharati Reich one way or another (+/- the population of course).

I think they are quite unsettled by Pakistanis controlling and building their own narrative.

Some of it has to do with choosing to be low key, with the RSS of RSS, Hindutva which should really be called radical Hinduism, that trend is reversing and they're being much more religiously open, it's part of the reason there's a backlash in the Western communities.

I've seen a Hindu funeral establishment boarded as South Asian funerals lol


Another reason is they know how to use lanaguge effectively.

A typical BBC report regarding Pakistan, including those written by Pakistanis.
This is the issue,
there's no law and order,
it's all very disfunctional,
people are suffering,
there migh be a faint reference to official action but its presented as only becuase we the BBC are here otherwise no action would be taken.
Nothing but negative BS.

The same report on india, even if it's far worse would be,
This is the issue,
this was the cause,
this is what happened,
this is how the authorites acted,
that action resulted in positive steps, or investigations are still ongoing,
this is the plan to ensure it does not happen again.
just comprehensive positive BS on even the most vile of events.


Pakistanis just don't understand how longauge works.
Bass bol do, kuch nahin hota, mein sach bol raha hoon.
(just say it, it doesn't matter, I am being truthful)
The context and nuance can go to hell.

 

[peagle]

Completely agree. In an ideal world certainly, complete detachment from the misappropriated nomenclature is best. Sadly though, the works of Herodotus, Persians, Arabs and other ancient historians cannot be rewritten to expunge the words "Hind", "India" etc.

You don't have to rewrite anything, you have to accept the context and the nuance.
The words they used were under a given understanding and meaning.

There was an actual reality which existed on the ground, their wording was for their own understanding, they were not describing the area as it existed. Societies have always used descriptive names for their own understanding, it doesn't means it's an actual ground reality, we don't use the same names or descriptive terms now.

Accepting it is like saying what they said was the only truth, that's insane.

Wasn't it Herodotus who said their are giant ants in the Indus who dig for gold.
Arabs referred to all Europeans as the Franks.
Europeans referred to Muslims as the Saracens.
There are dozens of examples,
Everywhere around the world the words have changed to suit modern realities and historical accuracy, only in South Asia we're obsessed with what the Greeks, Persians or Arabs called this region, unable to move on, each used a different term, created by themselves, for their Own understand, the actual names of this region can go to hell. It makes zero sense.

 

[mythbuster]

Let the societies age
Let women become ever more delusional
Let the family be destroyed
Let marriage rates hit all time lows
Let birth rates collapse
Let men become simpish and irresponsible

See where you end up

What kind of rationality are you looking for???

What are the answer to the above for a atheist and how do you resolve at societal level if young men and women don't wish to follow your guidance?



This is where as a Muslim, islam comes into it for us


Years ago I used to work at a company, and was part of a team
Almost everyone was fine there, but their was one dude who I occasionally used to have discussions/arguments about religion/culture

And his argument was always, Muslims should assimilate, that we are oppressing women or our youth,
That we are forcing our way of life and not adapting to the super duper modern world.

And I used to argue back, about why and how our faith and culture provides the basis of our family and community system

Today I would absolutely rip him apart (in discussion)




In the end, we stopped talking to each other yet another argument

This was because whilst he was banging on about how Muslims should assimilate and adopt western values

I pointed out
That he cheats on his wife all the time
And he was currently estranged from him wife because he had found out she had cheated in him
Whilst they were split up, she had started a relationship with the guy she cheated with
He doesn't get to see his children much
He complains about her and their arguments and is responsible for his own food and breakfast

And I pointed out, that I as a Muslim
Have a traditional family, marriage and wife
My house is spotless
My wife makes the effort to keep our house clean, have breakfast and dinner and home cooked meals for her family
I can trust her character and loyalty and my own
My children are raised in my faith and culture and connected to our wider community


Why the fukkity fcuk would I change my situation to follow his fcuked up path


I think he wanted to hit me, but I would have torn him a new azzhole

We didn't speak much after that



For all the high brow bullshit atheists come up with, they really have no answer how to maintain family and communities and what values to teach the youth
And I am making the above statement based upon the reality of the degradation of the relationship and other systems happening across the world and especially in societies that have lost their faith and culture

Being an atheist got nothing to do with the ills you are unabashedly narrating....an atheist may have similar cultural traits as you have... the only difference is that atheist are more logical and less prone to emotional outbursts and less narrow minded.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

There seems to be an identity issue.

Pakistan often tries to distance itself from South Asia. However, when it comes to history—such as the Indus Valley Civilization or Harappa—it still claims that legacy.
At the same time, some leaders and narratives try to associate more with Turkish or Iranian identity. But geographically and historically, Pakistan is part of South Asia and shares roots with the same ancient civilizations of the region.

Religions like Islam came later compared to these ancient civilizations, so cultural and historical origins are older and shared across the region.

Regarding the World Bank, the decisions are influenced by geopolitical interests, especially involving the USA, and it's just a gift to Pakistan for stopping the war with iran, and Trump got the face saving against iran

This will not make any difference - Pakistan still will be count under south asian country

Anyway - conclusion is that the World Bank has NOT officially moved Pakistan from South Asia to MENA.

The World Bank still classifies Pakistan under: South Asia Region (SAR)
(same group as India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, etc.)

 

[peagle]

Let the societies age
Let women become ever more delusional
Let the family be destroyed
Let marriage rates hit all time lows
Let birth rates collapse
Let men become simpish and irresponsible

See where you end up

What kind of rationality are you looking for???

What are the answer to the above for a atheist and how do you resolve at societal level if young men and women don't wish to follow your guidance?



This is where as a Muslim, islam comes into it for us


Years ago I used to work at a company, and was part of a team
Almost everyone was fine there, but their was one dude who I occasionally used to have discussions/arguments about religion/culture

And his argument was always, Muslims should assimilate, that we are oppressing women or our youth,
That we are forcing our way of life and not adapting to the super duper modern world.

And I used to argue back, about why and how our faith and culture provides the basis of our family and community system

Today I would absolutely rip him apart (in discussion)




In the end, we stopped talking to each other yet another argument

This was because whilst he was banging on about how Muslims should assimilate and adopt western values

I pointed out
That he cheats on his wife all the time
And he was currently estranged from him wife because he had found out she had cheated in him
Whilst they were split up, she had started a relationship with the guy she cheated with
He doesn't get to see his children much
He complains about her and their arguments and is responsible for his own food and breakfast

And I pointed out, that I as a Muslim
Have a traditional family, marriage and wife
My house is spotless
My wife makes the effort to keep our house clean, have breakfast and dinner and home cooked meals for her family
I can trust her character and loyalty and my own
My children are raised in my faith and culture and connected to our wider community


Why the fukkity fcuk would I change my situation to follow his fcuked up path


I think he wanted to hit me, but I would have torn him a new azzhole

We didn't speak much after that



For all the high brow bullshit atheists come up with, they really have no answer how to maintain family and communities and what values to teach the youth
And I am making the above statement based upon the reality of the degradation of the relationship and other systems happening across the world and especially in societies that have lost their faith and culture

It would be wise not to get personal. Atheist this and that, we're debating a issue, it's not personal.
Furthermore, I have not presented my own worldview for you to follow so i really don't understand how you're judging me. All i have done is answer your points, you have not asked me nor have i presented my own worldview.

Are you telling me Muslim men and women don't cheat?
Muslim men or women or any other religious type don't do the same things a Westerner or a Whitey does?

I really did not understand your point because it was merely revisiting your individual personal experience. Nothing more, it added nothing to this discussion.

 

[hussain0216]

Being an atheist got nothing to do with the ills you are unabashedly narrating....an atheist may have similar cultural traits as you have... the only difference is that atheist are more logical and less prone to emotional outbursts and less narrow minded.

That's a cop out,, a complete cop out

These people lose faith, values, culture and lose God and embrace this atheist life which then leads to collapse of morals and community and family and adultery

Then the fault is with the atheist life that gives them no guidance or restrictions or values to live life by beyond the selfish self

We have all seen the atheist Pahalavists and what a scum group of people they are and have become, how they have become enemies of their own people and state


Their is a reason islam warns us about the Murtads

 

[hussain0216]

It would be wise not to get personal. Atheist this and that, we're debating a issue, it's not personal.
Furthermore, I have not presented my own worldview for you to follow so i really don't understand how you're judging me. All i have done is answer your points, you have not asked me nor have i presented my own worldview.

Are you telling me Muslim men and women don't cheat?
Muslim men or women or any other religious type don't do the same things a Westerner or a Whitey does?

I really did not understand your point because it was merely revisiting your individual personal experience. Nothing more, it added nothing to this discussion.

Sure some Muslim men cheat, but they don't do it because of Islam, they do it in spite of Islam saying this behaviour is haram and forbidden

But if your atheist, why wouldn't you???

If your a man who has money, wealth, good looks and options why would you be loyal to one woman

What value system does a atheist adhere to that would stop the adultery?

 

[Master Chief]

Pakistan often tries to distance itself from South Asia. However, when it comes to history—such as the Indus Valley Civilization or Harappa—it still claims that legacy.

Pakistan is Pakistan and the IVC is ours.

Any more concerns?

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Pakistan is Pakistan and the IVC is ours.

Any more concerns?

That is a reasonable approach, but I get confused when people try to associate themselves with Iranian, Turkish, or Saudi etc identities because it reflects identify crises

 

[mythbuster]

That's a cop out,, a complete cop out

These people lose faith, values, culture and lose God and embrace this atheist life which then leads to collapse of morals and community and family and adultery

Then the fault is with the atheist life that gives them no guidance or restrictions or values to live life by beyond the selfish self

We have all seen the atheist Pahalavists and what a scum group of people they are and have become, how they have become enemies of their own people and state


Their is a reason islam warns us about the Murtads

East Asians , by and large, are atheist...do you believe their family values are worse than ours ?.... Akhunzada will be very proud of you.

 

[peagle]

Sure some Muslim men cheat, but they don't do it because of Islam, they do it in spite of Islam saying this behaviour is haram and forbidden

But if your atheist, why wouldn't you???

If your a man who has money, wealth, good looks and options why would you be loyal to one woman

What value system does a atheist adhere to that would stop the adultery?

I think we have reached the end of this discussion. I am happy to say why but i'd rather not as you might get offended.

Enjoy.

 

[kambhakt]

I can't say about others but let me just say I have no shame in accepting my ancestors were Hindus. BUT here is the difference. They were Kashmiri Pandit Hindus, not ordinary Hindus like rest of India and South Asia. They are the highest cast of Hindus.

Looks like we have a Muslim here who believes in caste and not in the equality of humankind.