World Bank places Pakistan in MENA, ending South Asia classification

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

My friend, their is NO solution

European societies are ageing rapidly
Average age in Italy and Germany is heading towards 50 years
Other European countries are not far behind
What are the youth learning?
What are the aspirations of young women and men here?

What the solution?
How are they going to change the situation, or will they now continue to slide


Their has to be some sort of ideology, a value system that is the basis of your principles

Without it you will just have a bunch of people continually crying about the collapse of society, with no idea on how to change things

Here in the uk, the goreh especially the working class will cry about non-whites taking their jobs and their demographic decline due to low birthrates but will REFUSE to work the jobs taken by non-whites and REFUSE to have children/families. Their logic is completely retarded.

 

[hussain0216]

Here in the uk, the goreh especially the working class will cry about non-whites taking their jobs and their demographic decline due to low birthrates but will REFUSE to work the jobs taken by non-whites and REFUSE to have children/families. Their logic is completely retarded.

I think I said this earlier in this thread

They cry about churches closing, but won't go to church but will scream about Muslims going to Mosque

They will complain about the collapse of marriage and women not being loyal
Then they will scream at Muslims for getting married, having children and women holding a traditional role

They will complain about O.F and women having horrible standards and no traditional skills,
But will then scream at Muslims for Muslim women wearing hijab, being traditional and cooking for their families


On and on and on and on


I just stopped listening


I've always been Muslim, but their was a time my response to why Muslim don't drink, don't have illicit relationships etc was simply "Because it's against our faith"


But in 2026 their is so much simple evidence on why some basic Islamic values and guidelines exist and how they stop some of the chaos happening in the west


Atheism I just used to view as disbelief and couldn't care less about it, but I realised human beings are not logical creatures
We are emotional creatures, we have biology doing a number on us
The more I realised as. Muslim we have some of the restrictions and guidelines we have, to keep the family and community strong

And when a group like the Pahalavists end up abandoning faith

They end up debauched, their women embracing dick of all kinds
They lose their culture, identity and embrace confusion and the same low marriage rates, high divorce rates, adultery, mixed confused children,
Everything happens

Now I see the Murtads as a risk, as threat
As people whose objectives are not the same as ours, who wish us to change and make ourselves different
I am more vary of them then ever before, they are not to be trusted

 

[ARMalik]

Not only this, Centuries before the Eastern Roman Empire existed, Alexander the Great reached the Indus River (326 BCE). This led to the establishment of the Indo-Greek Kingdom, which introduced Greek (Hellenistic) culture and genetic admixture to the Punjab and Gandhara regions. This kingdom ruled Pakistan and other surrounding areas 200 BC to 10 AD.

Again Pakistanis are NOT INDIANS !! Anyone who says Pakisitanis are indians is an imbellicle and an enemy of Pakistan people.

 

[Master Chief]

Not only this, Centuries before the Eastern Roman Empire existed, Alexander the Great reached the Indus River (326 BCE). This led to the establishment of the Indo-Greek Kingdom, which introduced Greek (Hellenistic) culture and genetic admixture to the Punjab and Gandhara regions. This kingdom ruled Pakistan and other surrounding areas 200 BC to 10 AD.

Again Pakistanis are NOT INDIANS !! Anyone who says Pakisitanis are indians is an imbellicle and an enemy of Pakistan people.

Sir, please be logical. Again, the facts are mostly there in your post (I disagree with speculation about Hellenistic genetic admixtures - as romantic as it sounds, it just didn't happen on any significant scale) but the final conclusion you have drawn is a function of confused nomenclature.

Pakistanis are in fact the true "Indians".

Of course we are, as a matured nation state, nothing like the gangetic tribe. But the gangetic tribe are false usurpers of the civilisation of the Indus. It is therefore not unreasonable of us to declare that we are the true legacy nation state of the Indus Valley Civilisation (what the ancients - especially the Greeks you yourself referred to - called "India").

 

[SteppeWolff]

Extremely elated that South Asian rape gangs will now be called Middle Eastern rape gangs. Phew!

Pathetic dalit who has to come to the Pakistan’s forum to be able to bitch about Pakistanis.

Bitching behind a screen looks like to be the national sport of India

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I think I said this earlier in this thread

They cry about churches closing, but won't go to church but will scream about Muslims going to Mosque

They will complain about the collapse of marriage and women not being loyal
Then they will scream at Muslims for getting married, having children and women holding a traditional role

They will complain about O.F and women having horrible standards and no traditional skills,
But will then scream at Muslims for Muslim women wearing hijab, being traditional and cooking for their families


On and on and on and on


I just stopped listening


I've always been Muslim, but their was a time my response to why Muslim don't drink, don't have illicit relationships etc was simply "Because it's against our faith"


But in 2026 their is so much simple evidence on why some basic Islamic values and guidelines exist and how they stop some of the chaos happening in the west


Atheism I just used to view as disbelief and couldn't care less about it, but I realised human beings are not logical creatures
We are emotional creatures, we have biology doing a number on us
The more I realised as. Muslim we have some of the restrictions and guidelines we have, to keep the family and community strong

And when a group like the Pahalavists end up abandoning faith

They end up debauched, their women embracing dick of all kinds
They lose their culture, identity and embrace confusion and the same low marriage rates, high divorce rates, adultery, mixed confused children,
Everything happens

Now I see the Murtads as a risk, as threat
As people whose objectives are not the same as ours, who wish us to change and make ourselves different
I am more vary of them then ever before, they are not to be trusted

Agreed. ANYONE who encourages Pakistanis to abandon our religion, faith, culture, heritage and language is NOT to be trusted and is the biggest threat to us. Neo-liberalism, secular culture and the abandonment of traditional values has destroyed certain peoples and demographics. We will NOT allow that debauchery to enter our communities.


PS I too have become like that. EVERY time a non-Pakistani, non-Muslim says ANYTHING about Pakistanis or Muslims, I just completely switch off and ignore them as I know through experience it will ALL be propaganda and lies. These KUFFAR's own communities are collapsing yet they feel they are in a position to comment on us.........

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Pathetic dalit who has to come to the Pakistan’s forum to be able to bitch about Pakistanis.

Bitching behind a screen looks like to be the national sport of India

These is what is so astounding. The gangetic ganga varsha dravidians to our east seem to be VERY triggered by the imf classifying Pakistan as a part of MENA. have no idea why that is.

 

[Master Chief]

These is what is so astounding. The gangetic ganga varsha dravidians to our east seem to be VERY triggered by the imf classifying Pakistan as a part of MENA. have no idea why that is.

Historically Indians have derived active and passive benefit from being lumped with Pakistanis as "south asians" in a bureaucratic sense.

It has always enabled both a hijacking of Pakistani achievements and a simultaneous plausible deniability of Indian crimes.

Consider the 80s and 90s growing up in UK when "asian unity" against aggression was a trend but in truth, Indians (with the exception of the more active Sikh barhadari) just sort of peeked over the shoulders of Pakistanis to see when it was safe to crawl back out.

Also, consider every time some scam cell centre or some student visa fraud or some hindu/Sikh honour crime is committed in UK that it is reported as a "south asian" matter to permit passive dissociation from India.

But it actually goes well beyond all of that.

It ultimately feeds back into the 1 nation vs 2 nation theory. They have always imagined our nation to be some rebellious sibling that defied Nehru, Gandhi and Golwalkar alike and would ideally be forced to come back into the eternal Bharati Reich one way or another (+/- the population of course).

I think they are quite unsettled by Pakistanis controlling and building their own narrative.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Historically Indians have derived active and passive benefit from being lumped with Pakistanis as "south asians" in a bureaucratic sense.

It has always enabled both a hijacking of Pakistani achievements and a simultaneous plausible deniability of Indian crimes.

Consider the 80s and 90s growing up in UK when "asian unity" against aggression was a trend but in truth, Indians (with the exception of the more active Sikh barhadari) just sort of peeked over the shoulders of Pakistanis to see when it was safe to crawl back out.

Also, consider every time some scam cell centre or some student visa fraud or some hindu/Sikh honour crime is committed in UK that it is reported as a "south asian" matter to permit passive dissociation from India.

But it actually goes well beyond all of that.

It ultimately feeds back into the 1 nation vs 2 nation theory. They have always imagined our nation to be some rebellious sibling that defied Nehru, Gandhi and Golwalkar alike and would ideally be forced to come back into the eternal Bharati Reich one way or another (+/- the population of course).

I think they are quite unsettled by Pakistanis controlling and building their own narrative.

Agreed. It's obvious now that the rest of the world acknowledges Pakistan as being a different race and nation to india and indians. This also COMPLETELY destroys the myth of a "united india" and "akhand bharat".

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

LMAO!

Its quite strange we haven't passed through basics yet. Why can't you develop courage to accept truth.

I can say with 100% emaan and conviction that Your grand grand father was a hindu too. How else do you think Islam spread? Its spread through Dawah!

All of Indonesians were hindus, and they all accepted Islam through traders & Sufis. There was not a single military conquest of Indonesia.

I believe 100% of India (like indonesia) would have converted to Islam too had there not be constant raids by power hungry barbaric afghani invaders. Those afghanis came to loot india and gave a bad image to islam/muslims. Whatever Islam spread into india is through Dawah & Sufis and not by Sword. Infact Sword acted as counter effective. You need to super courageous to change your beliefs from your forefathers. So whoever converted in your lineage 300, 500, 700 years ago you must be appreciative of that person and aknowledge him.

We all Pakistanis were hindus at one point in time 100s of years ago were Hindus. Its no shame in it. Even Sahaba were converts. Nobody was a muslim except the Prophet. I know names of my forefathers upto 5 generations back, they all were muslims but I know for a fact that hundreds of years ago, any one of them would have converted. Otherwise its impossible to have so million muslims in Pakistan (more in india and bangaldesh today).

What you say is 100% hillarious lies and childish mentality. What you guys say makes ZERO sense and logic. There is no record of mass migrations from arabia to India in anywhere in history. Yes invaders do came but they go back. Whoever stayed, their lineage would be 0.000001% of total population. BTW! why on earth you want to be called arab ? Why can't you have your own identity linked with your own land ?? We Pakistanis have extremely rich history from our own land of indus valley civilization. Division happened in 47, but prior to that we lived together in indian subcontinent for 1000s of years and we share same history.

Its disgusting to know that some fellow Pakistanis want to be associated as "arabs" when we clearly have our own history. Every muslim is not an arab. You guys got a disease of superiority complex just like RSS extremists. There is no difference between you guys and them. Iranians are muslims but they would rather die but not be called as arabs. Its high time you say goodbye to ignorance and accept truth and facts for the first time in your life. I hope & pray you will open your mind to truth and come out of life of lies.

Time line is important. Majority of Pakistanis were budhists/ some other folk religion on dawn of Islam. The ganga hinduism influence started creeping in indus valley post Islamic invasions as they were based in Delhi.

Thats why so called brahmins of indus valley had very lowly status in society. Gangu origin caste names like rajput starting being adopted post 13-14th century.

 

[peagle]

My friend, their is NO solution

European societies are ageing rapidly
Average age in Italy and Germany is heading towards 50 years
Other European countries are not far behind
What are the youth learning?
What are the aspirations of young women and men here?

What the solution?
How are they going to change the situation, or will they now continue to slide


Their has to be some sort of ideology, a value system that is the basis of your principles

Without it you will just have a bunch of people continually crying about the collapse of society, with no idea on how to change things

I've had many a conversation with the religious lot full of complaints, but no one has a rational answer.

It's important not to simplify situations to meet your worldview. There's no lack of morality in the Western world, there's a culturally different mindset, that doesn't mean a lack of something, it's just different.

Societies are always evolving, as are Muslim societies, they all contain inherent shortcomings.

When there were racial riots, last year or the year before, there was a societal backlash, I think they called it "not in our name" or something, was that lack of morality? What was that? Everyone came out including the Whites.

Who has been coming out in opposition of Israeli Genocide in Gaza, the majority were always Whites. Is that a lack of morality?

Charities collect billions every year, mostly given by the "Whites" simple because they're the majority. Is that a lack of morality?

They do have a value system, it's actually more resilient then others, that's why they're at the top. Despite the doom and gloom, these Westerners, Whites or whatever you want to call them will continue to be on the top in the foreseeable future.
Societal groups have ups and downs it's a bad idea to look down on someone, anyone. The life you are living is a life designed by these so-called Whites so give them some due, they deserve it.

 

[SteppeWolff]

These is what is so astounding. The gangetic ganga varsha dravidians to our east seem to be VERY triggered by the imf classifying Pakistan as a part of MENA. have no idea why that is.

The audacity of these Gangetic forest dweller dalits never fails to amuse me.

You don't get to claim the people, alot of whose ancestors have emptied your treasuries for a millennium. We aren't your lost brothers; we're a distinct Indus civilization which keeps the gangus from getting ravaged by the people West of Indus. Their history books still have PTSD and they still are perfecting the art of bending over.

The IMF just gave a clean map of South Asia: India and its little sidekicks. And it’s driving the dalits insane because it finally draws a line between us ( and tbh its not deep, just a managerial thing ).

Indians can crying about 'identity complex' while their own women flee the Ganges stench to marry the first man with a drop of non Brahmin blood. We don't want their civilization. We never did. We just took their gold. They need to go back to their septic ganges river and cope

 

[peagle]

Sir, please be logical. Again, the facts are mostly there in your post (I disagree with speculation about Hellenistic genetic admixtures - as romantic as it sounds, it just didn't happen on any significant scale) but the final conclusion you have drawn is a function of confused nomenclature.

Pakistanis are in fact the true "Indians".

Of course we are, as a matured nation state, nothing like the gangetic tribe. But the gangetic tribe are false usurpers of the civilisation of the Indus. It is therefore not unreasonable of us to declare that we are the true legacy nation state of the Indus Valley Civilisation (what the ancients - especially the Greeks you yourself referred to - called "India").

I understand what you are saying but i'm certain the vast majority won't, largely due to the word Indian.

The word India and Indian should only be used to refer to the country created in 1947. Any usage prior to this just confuses the situation and it needs to be stopped no matter how accurate.

When a word requires an explanation with each usage it has lost it's meaning.
Right now, the word India and Indian refers to the country created in 1947.
Prior to 1947, it should be limited to British India to because that's what it was.
But throughout history this region should only be referred to as South Asia, it avoids confusion and is factually accurate.

The areas of Pakistan should be referred to as Pakistan or as the Indus region, any names given were linked to the Indus river. Indus region is factually accurate and it doesn't introduce confusion in the minds of people.
India is simply a stupid messed up word, it has been twisted so much it has lost it's meaning because each usage requires a different explanation.

 

[Master Chief]

The audacity of these Gangetic forest dweller dalits never fails to amuse me.

You don't get to claim the people, alot of whose ancestors have emptied your treasuries for a millennium. We aren't your lost brothers; we're a distinct Indus civilization which keeps the gangus from getting ravaged by the people West of Indus. Their history books still have PTSD and they still are perfecting the art of bending over.

The IMF just gave a clean map of South Asia: India and its little sidekicks. And it’s driving the dalits insane because it finally draws a line between us ( and tbh its not deep, just a managerial thing ).

Indians can crying about 'identity complex' while their own women flee the Ganges stench to marry the first man with a drop of non Brahmin blood. We don't want their civilization. We never did. We just took their gold. They need to go back to their septic ganges river and cope

A lot of their cope on this very thread comes from a slow realisation that their own policy of "dehyphenation from Pakistan" risks causing direct damage to their other policy of "akhand bharat/hindu rashtra". I.e. pursuit of the former renders the latter more elusive.

NONE of the above policies were actually thought out by Delhi's think tanks over many decades with any remote degree of rationality or strategic foresight. They served to facilitate short-term vote banking among the unwashed masses and brainwashing of loyal cadres. These policies ASSUMED a military and political/diplomatic state of dominion over Pakistan (and the whole subcontinent).

That assumption was proved wrong and now they are genuinely offended by any descriptor from an innocent third party that places us objectively outside their ecosystem.

The reality amidst all their delusional narratives, of course, is that we unilaterally ditched them 79 years ago and never once looked back.

 

[Master Chief]

I understand what you are saying but i'm certain the vast majority won't, largely due to the word Indian.

The word India and Indian should only be used to refer to the country created in 1947. Any usage prior to this just confuses the situation and it needs to be stopped no matter how accurate.

When a word requires an explanation with each usage it has lost it's meaning.
Right now, the word India and Indian refers to the country created in 1947.
Prior to 1947, it should be limited to British India to because that's what it was.
But throughout history this region should only be referred to as South Asia, it avoids confusion and is factually accurate.

The areas of Pakistan should be referred to as Pakistan or as the Indus region, any names given were linked to the Indus river. Indus region is factually accurate and it doesn't introduce confusion in the minds of people.
India is simply a stupid messed up word, it has been twisted so much it has lost it's meaning because each usage requires a different explanation.

Completely agree. In an ideal world certainly, complete detachment from the misappropriated nomenclature is best. Sadly though, the works of Herodotus, Persians, Arabs and other ancient historians cannot be rewritten to expunge the words "Hind", "India" etc.