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Yarmook-Class Corvette/OPV | Updates & Discussion
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Pakistan Navy’s YARMOOK Class OPV, PNS TABUK (F-272) at #DIMDEX2024 . The first batch of these ships currently lack a primary Anti-Ship weapon system. However, these ships are likely to be equipped with hypersonic AShM missiles in future
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she really is a patrol boatPakistan Navy’s YARMOOK Class OPV, PNS TABUK (F-272) at #DIMDEX2024 . The first batch of these ships currently lack a primary Anti-Ship weapon system. However, these ships are likely to be equipped with hypersonic AShM missiles in future
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Every ship is a patrol boat... The next gen of these are going to be classified as heavy corvettes and not opvs.......Btw she carries a punch of a frigate without SAM.....
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an iranian frigate maybe
Yep, OPV = Offshore Patrol Vessel
Actually even the batch-1 OPVs are many times more capable than ex-UK type-21 frigates of Pakistan navy which were armed with harpoons. Harbah provides 2 times the range and more accuracy with modern sensors.
Batch-2 is whole different ball game with advance air-defense. Read about Sea Ceptor the newest air-defense by MBDA. UK's future frigates and even type-45s will install this. CAMM & CAMM-ER are part of UK's Sea Ceptor, Type-26 & type-31 frigates will be armed with those.
At one hand, you debated for so long on relevancy of sub-sonic / non-stealthy missiles like Harpoons in modern warfare, just because Harpoons are still being used by NATO. (Though harpoons were introduced in early 70's and are now being replaced by more advance / long range / stealth missiles in NATO) But on other hand, you are unwilling to accept the most modern air-defense products by same NATO countries (italy & UK). We should give value to modern weapon systems over the vintage stuff. There's no way Italy, UK or Pakistan would install a non-effective air-defense system on their ships.
Harpoons & ATAMCA may still be useful to Turkey as Greece isn' t anything like India. The size & arsenal of Indian navy is vastly different than of greece. PN's threat matrix is different. Different threats, different choices of weapons. That's all.
British using not ER version it standard with 25km range I think ER version were Italian navy initiative and made for sales to others not sure if British also adopted Extended range version
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And now there's MR version too developed for Poland & unconfirmed reports are that MR has more radius/range in comparison to ER version.
MBDA and PGZ join forces on CAMM-MR development - Naval News
MBDA and PGZ have signed an agreement to co-operate on developing a new CAMM-MR medium-range low-cost interceptor at MSPO 2023 in Kielce.
www.navalnews.com
yes because Brits use ASTER for this and CAMM for point def
This is legitimately the most nonsensical argument ive seen in a good long while.
One side is fighting that Ada/Babur are better. Others arguing Damen is better/just as good. What a stupid discussion given PN will literally field both.
@LegionnairE are u really irritated that PN got Damens when Ada/Hisar was available to them? Let me explain why they did. As you pointed out batch 1 is really a patrol vessel. It meant primarily for maritime security and was supposed to be up armed for times of conflict. THAT is the likely reason they dont missiles yet. Why would you have an OPV running around in peace time with missiles. Its currently being used for security and will be fit with weapon as needed in times of war.
For batch 2, they are armed like corvettes but still have some glaring weaknesses vs Baburs in that realm, specifically anti-submarine capabilities and EW capabilities. BUT against surface and aerial threats they should be equal (maybe better if they get CENK-S) than Baburs. BUT the success of the design is that Damen produced the hull at very low cost (~50M per unit) leaving Pakistan room to fit them out similar to Baburs with respect to electronics and AShM and SAMs. That means for probably ~150M per ship (probably 50-75% cost of Babur) you get 85% of the combat capacity of Babur. That gives them abilities to be fielded in larger number against IN in times of war and be strong support vessels for Baburs and Tughrils and rapidly expand the large vessel composition of PN at very low cost. But had PN had the money, of course babur is superior.
Even with CIWS vs PDMS, Both have their roles. Both can engage subsonic AShM just fine in the correct circumstances, though CIWS probably cant do as good a job again hypersonic missiles. Though CIWS can be used against surface and aerial attacks from multiple small targets (drones and boat swarms) much more effectively and is probably the best in that respect. This is one of the reasons Phalanx still makes sense for batch 1 (not to mention its crappy layout which restricts firing lines). But in this case, both on Babur and Yarmook batch 2, Goksur/Gokdeniz ER or Levent were probably planned (but deferred d/t readiness or cost). Supposedly Gokdeniz shares internal machinery with is PDMS counterpart so it may be a placeholder as is. So wouldn't read too much into it right now.
One side is fighting that Ada/Babur are better. Others arguing Damen is better/just as good. What a stupid discussion given PN will literally field both.
@LegionnairE are u really irritated that PN got Damens when Ada/Hisar was available to them? Let me explain why they did. As you pointed out batch 1 is really a patrol vessel. It meant primarily for maritime security and was supposed to be up armed for times of conflict. THAT is the likely reason they dont missiles yet. Why would you have an OPV running around in peace time with missiles. Its currently being used for security and will be fit with weapon as needed in times of war.
For batch 2, they are armed like corvettes but still have some glaring weaknesses vs Baburs in that realm, specifically anti-submarine capabilities and EW capabilities. BUT against surface and aerial threats they should be equal (maybe better if they get CENK-S) than Baburs. BUT the success of the design is that Damen produced the hull at very low cost (~50M per unit) leaving Pakistan room to fit them out similar to Baburs with respect to electronics and AShM and SAMs. That means for probably ~150M per ship (probably 50-75% cost of Babur) you get 85% of the combat capacity of Babur. That gives them abilities to be fielded in larger number against IN in times of war and be strong support vessels for Baburs and Tughrils and rapidly expand the large vessel composition of PN at very low cost. But had PN had the money, of course babur is superior.
Even with CIWS vs PDMS, Both have their roles. Both can engage subsonic AShM just fine in the correct circumstances, though CIWS probably cant do as good a job again hypersonic missiles. Though CIWS can be used against surface and aerial attacks from multiple small targets (drones and boat swarms) much more effectively and is probably the best in that respect. This is one of the reasons Phalanx still makes sense for batch 1 (not to mention its crappy layout which restricts firing lines). But in this case, both on Babur and Yarmook batch 2, Goksur/Gokdeniz ER or Levent were probably planned (but deferred d/t readiness or cost). Supposedly Gokdeniz shares internal machinery with is PDMS counterpart so it may be a placeholder as is. So wouldn't read too much into it right now.
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FWIW both of these are debatable, both Batch 1 and 2 are able to use damens modules for HADR ASW etc whatevers needed- example pic attached - in terms of ew and sensors etc we dont know but clearly PN is going pretty in on these ships, as higher end vessels so likely wont skimp. If im not mistaken, i dont know for sure if PN even selected a dedicated TAS for anything other than anti torpedo/detection stuff via aselsans hizr, no news on a dedicated tas for actual asw ops
i dont think this is the argument- rather, who would have been a better partner/longer term investment. Personally, i would have thrown my weight behind Damen- my reasons being given above, whereas PN has selected STM/Turkey from a more strategic POV, also a logical one
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Same things could be said about Hisar class. Which has basically the same hull as Babur class and comes at a very low cost. But can be as heavily armed as Babur class if needed.
Indigenous systems to be used in Hisar class OPVs have been announced
TCG AKHİSAR, the first of the Hisar class Offshore Patrol Vessels under construction by ASFAT, will be launched in July
en.defenceturk.net
These days the gaps between what is an OPV V Corvette, a Corvette V Frigate and a Frigate v Destroyer overlap greatly. Batch 2 are heavier and better equipped then many Corvettes, you may call them patrol boats, but any enemy would be foolish to see them and treat them that way in my opinion
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