Yemen Civil War News and Discussion.. an evolving situation

[Hack-Hook]

Houthis are at war with Saudi Arabia.

in fact KSA attacked them , they are defending themselves

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

We should have a Muslim EU comprised initially of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey, Malaysia and Indonesia and then invite other Muslim Countries to join.

Well already have the OIC, which baffles me why we don't use that to become a Ummah bloc.

 

[Dalit]

Taliban could not defeat US forces in battles and had to accept American demand of dropping support for Al-Qaeda Network. There was also pressure from Pakistan to settle this dispute with talks. This is not victory of Taliban but a settlement that is to their benefit and existence. US have closed the chapter of Al-Qaeda Network in Afghanistan. The remainder was secondary and up for negotiation.

Taliban is not a benchmark of how different parties will fare in war with a competent side because geographic and geopolitical realities vary from region to region.

Saddam regime in Iraq was much stronger than Taliban regime in Afghanistan as well as Qaddafi regime in Libya but it was toppled in just 26 days and Debaathification project was concluded in 2011. Iraq is accessible to US via Kuwait (a country that does not bother with Iraqi issues) and American force projection in Iraq was also of a different character than in Afghanistan because it was the tougher foe. For instance, US dispatched a total of only 14 tanks to Afghanistan but hundreds of tanks to Iraq to hold as much ground as possible for the desired period of time.

Saudi-led coalition flopped due to lack of strategy and coherence. Houthi benefited from this situation.

US have had no beef with Houthi but this might change due to Houthi attacking commercial ships. This is bad news for Yemen but Houthi are too drunk in power and narcotics to understand what is better for Yemen.

USN can isolate and blockade Yemen as well as impose no fly zones on Yemen and pound Houthi for indefinite period until it collapses. US have not considered this type of response yet but it can happen. This is how US eliminated Qaddafi regime in Libya in 2011.

Houthi are trying to bite more than what they can chew in this matter. This is bad foreign policy in view of the state of Yemen. I feel sorry for innocent people in this country.

The Taliban are today the leading power in Afghanistan against US/NATO wish. That is a clear defeat.

Houthis are on another level. They are armed with advanced weapons and are a professional force.

I would be very careful if I were Israel/US. Remember that China and Russia would gladly join in to aid the Houthis.

 

[RescueRanger]

Well well well:

 

[LeGenD]

LeGen, please speak for yourself when it comes to not following Islamic law. Kindly look at the rules of fiq, in that anything that becomes haram automatically means it becomes permissible in times of necessity. So while I accept attacking commercial ships is not allowed in times when sanctions can be used, it does become permissible when Muslim countries are turning a blind eye to Israels actions by not even sanctioning them. The treaty of hudaybiya should show to you that sulh is only done when Muslims are NOT being killed, which is the opposite of what we're seeing. So be consistent when applying shariah.

Denting Israel's economy and affecting its trading partners is no more mischievous than sanctions regime done by a nation state. So what's good for the geese is good for the gander. Secular democracies arent a part of Islam, so I don't see how Yemen is acting irresponsibly in resisting that in Yemen. Again, if Yemen is power hungry for having the ability to obtain land to practice Islam, then it's for a better cause than other nations who do exactly the same but in the name of "secular democracy"...that is IF you take Islam seriously, which I doubt. I also find it ironic that those who comment on others holiness, are themselves supporting the kaafireen in their endeavours which is nifaaq if I've ever seen it. So people shouldn't be throwing stones from glass houses.

And I keep telling you, the theory of US navy's ability to deal with a proper swarm tactic is exactly just that, a theory, for the very reasons I have already mentioned i.e it hasnt happened to them...yet.

The assumption that Islam permits haram for conflicts is wrong. Islamic origins was a different type of struggle. Muslims of the day were fighting to preserve their Islamic identity and lives. They had no choice but to. Muslims had no state of their own back then. But even in this situation, Muslims had rules for war.



These instructions do not allow Muslims to disrupt economic activity of any party in the region and practice haram while being involved in a conflict. These instructions provide a template to build rules for modern warfare.

Multiple Islamic states exist in current times. Leader(s) of a state are responsible for the well-being of locals first and foremost as a matter of principle.

Client Challenge

Houthi should dispatch their forces to Syria or Palestine if they want to do something for Palestine. Using religious card to disrupt commercial shipping activity is not the way forward. Commercial shipping activity is NEUTRAL business and for the benefit of all states.

Houthi are using religious card for political legitimacy and to justify their acts at the expense of what is better for Yemen on a broader level.

And I keep telling you, the theory of US navy's ability to deal with a proper swarm tactic is exactly just that, a theory, for the very reasons I have already mentioned i.e it hasnt happened to them...yet.

You have this view because you do not understand strengths of USN.

CEC - Cooperative Engagement Capability

Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) is a real-time sensor netting system that enables high quality situational awareness and integrated fire control capability.

www.navy.mil

 

[Hack-Hook]

The assumption that Islam permits haram for conflicts is wrong. Islamic origins was a different type of struggle. Muslims of the day were fighting to preserve their Islamic identity and lives. They had no choice but to. Muslims had no state of their own back then. But even in this situation, Muslims had rules for war.

These instructions do not allow Muslims to disrupt economic activity of any party in the region and practice haram while being involved in a conflict. These instructions provide a template to build rules for modern warfare.

Multiple Islamic states exist in current times. Leader(s) of a state are responsible for the well-being of locals first and foremost as a matter of principle.

your interpenetration have flaws , Islamic teaching don't stop you harming enemy economy and we have many case of putting siege on enemy in the dawn of Islam

 

[BHAN85]

This is called shifting the burden of proof. You made the claim that MV Chem Pluto failed to identify herself - you have to substantiate the claim. Not ask the other person to prove the contrary.

Burden of proof

I've proved that Chinese ships who identify themselves and cut links to Israel, they have free pass in Red Sea and no problems.

So stop trolling.

COSCO suspends shipments to Israel

Israeli financial news website, Globes, reported that Chinese shipping company, COSCO, has suspended shipping to Israel.

www.porttechnology.org

It's disgusting how Western influenced private companies are used to escalate a war.

 

[BHAN85]

Maersk doesnt doubt in put Western ideology unrelated to their private business.

https://www.maersk.com/news/articles/2022/07/22/maersk-rainbow-container-arrives-in-india

And they doesnt doubt in escalate wars when USA needs it. Refusing to identify their ships to Houthis, and turning a Israel-only problem into a whole world problem.

You wont see rainbow containers in Chinese shipping companies.
And you wont see Chinese shipping companies escalating wars unrelated to them under USA orders.

China's largest shipper reportedly suspends trips to Israel as Red Sea tensions mount

Shipping giant Cosco has suspended shipping to Israel through the Red Sea as tensions in the strategic shipping lane continue to rise, according to Israeli media.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Shawnee]

I am not questioning Houthi decision to attack Israel. I simply disagree with Houthi decision to attack commercial ships. This is bad foreign policy that might lead to isolation of Yemen (more problems for innocent people in Yemen), and affect economic activity of many countries that are not responsible for what is happening in Palestine. Houthi do not have the power to stop Israel (or US) but they are creating unnecessary problems for different countries in the region. This is not a holy war but indicative of corruption and mischief under the guise of religion. Islamic way of fighting is humanitarian (Kindly check the rules that were established for Muslims in the Battle of Badr). But modern-age Muslims do not even study Holy Quran, let alone follow Islamic teachings. Some members here pretend to be holy but they are not fooling me with propaganda.

Houthi have demonstrated irresponsible leadership. They are no different from power hungry corrupt regimes out there.

Underselling American military capability is a common theme here. Houthi have struck multiple ships but they are unable to score hits on US Navy ships. The difference is obvious to anybody sensible. Your swarm attack perception is theoratical. This is what I have pointed out to you.

Isolation of Yemen? Like losing investors and warm relations with west?

Yemen was bombed for years more than all bombs of both world wars.

Yemen has very little to use when it comes to bombing and isolation.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

The assumption that Islam permits haram for conflicts is wrong. Islamic origins was a different type of struggle. Muslims of the day were fighting to preserve their Islamic identity and lives. They had no choice but to. Muslims had no state of their own back then. But even in this situation, Muslims had rules for war.

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These instructions do not allow Muslims to disrupt economic activity of any party in the region and practice haram while being involved in a conflict. These instructions provide a template to build rules for modern warfare.

Multiple Islamic states exist in current times. Leader(s) of a state are responsible for the well-being of locals first and foremost as a matter of principle.

Client Challenge

Houthi should dispatch their forces to Syria or Palestine if they want to do something for Palestine. Using religious card to disrupt commercial shipping activity is not the way forward. Commercial shipping activity is NEUTRAL business and for the benefit of all states.

Houthi are using religious card for political legitimacy and to justify their acts at the expense of what is better for Yemen on a broader level.



You have this view because you do not understand strengths of USN.

CEC - Cooperative Engagement Capability

Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) is a real-time sensor netting system that enables high quality situational awareness and integrated fire control capability.

www.navy.mil

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Sorry but at no point did I say "Islam permits haram for conflicts". You built that strawman just so you can write a paragraph. I clearly stated that anything that is haram becomes permissible in times of necessity. See how you twist what people say? So when no Muslim country is putting sanctions on Israel or other nation states that do business with Israel, nor are they fighting jihad which has been prescribed for when Muslims are being attacked by the Kuffar, then it becomes permissible to take these measures out of necessity.

So far you've demonstrated that you have absolutely no idea about usool fiq, and you're twisting the deen here to satisfy materislism at the expense of justice, which is not what the Prophet and his companions ever did. That list of prohibitions of war mentions nothing about "disrupting economic activity", you literally made a non-sequitur there...and just to educate you some more, the Prophet and companions would regularly raid caravans of the quraysh in times of war, so commercial interest are fair game which is what the Yemenis are doing as long as non-combattants are unharmed.

According to sheikh al Albani and many scholars who are not on the payroll of governments have clearly stated that no Muslim state represents Islam. So while there is some elements of shariah in some Muslim states, nowhere is the shariah fully implemented like how the early generations did, and in fact the shariah is being watered down year on year in countries like Saudi Arabia, the so called land of Tawheed.

Sorry I only take information from scholars or respected Muslim websites, not some anonymous random powerpoint on slideshare. Hope you understand.

Why would houthis need to go to Shaam, when there are forces already there? I can't believe you just said that. Yes global trade should be for all, but I don't hear you complaining when global trade is restricted by force via unilateral sanctions when the West does it. So I dont buy this crocodile tears on "global trade is for everyone" as it's pure double standards and hypocrisy.

Why would they need to use the religious card in Yemen, theyve already solidified their position there? Therefore their actions have nothing to do with that, theyre taking a risk by helping their brothers in Palestine by making this war costly on anyone who does trade with Israel. If they wanted to solidify their position they wouldn't be doing this, therefore their action is genuine and should be enouraged by any Muslim who takes their religion seriously.

And you clearly dont know much about swarm tactics because you wrongly used the houthi attacks as some sort of benchmark for what a swarm attack is. None of your lovely pictures demonstrates how their system works in a proper swarm attack with electronic warfare, even the pictures themselves show the ships engaging one or two incoming projectiles. So your assumptions are equally based on theory, and a theory that isn't even grounded on reality of what swarm tactics are.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

Isolation of Yemen? Like losing investors and warm relations with west?

Yemen was bombed for years more than all bombs of both world wars.

Yemen has very little to use when it comes to bombing and isolation.

Yeah he thinks Yemen wants brothels, alcohol and western degenerecy in their lands. Ajeeb!

 

[Developereo]

Accordingly USA needs to show that the potential risks to shipping are being minimized to avoid such economic losses.

The US has a much harder job since I don't know if they can stop the attacks 100%.

As long as the Houthis can continue to launch something and insurance companies impose war-zone premiums or refuse to insure ships passing through there, the Houthis will have achieved their goal and it will be a public humiliation for the US.

 

[VCheng]

The US has a much harder job since I don't know if they can stop the attacks 100%.

As long as the Houthis can continue to launch something and insurance companies impose war-zone premiums or refuse to insure ships passing through there, the Houthis will have achieved their goal and it will be a public humiliation for the US.

Another non sequitor comes to my mind as usual.

Uneasy lays the head that claims the crown.

Or something like that.

 

[jamal18]

Well yeah, Russia has its hands tied in Ukraine so wont be able to help much, China is a cowardly paper tiger, and Iran is nowhere near the finished article it wants to be. The rapprochement between Iran and the Gulf Arab states is about as superficial as a hooker's makeup, and they will not hesitate to help in an invasion of Iran with airspace and fuel. The war with Iran is something Israel wants and the west have shown that they too want it but want to appear as though "they hesitantly were forced to do it". It will have a high cost to America I'm sure, but it will be the end of the last resistance to US hegemony in the region. The west will see that in the long term it is worth it. The clue is in their unrealistic demand to Iran to rein back all of its proxies, knowing full well Iran won't do this.

1. The West presents the narrative that they're proxies; the Iranians say no, they are allies. Iran does not have full control over them.

2. The Neo-cons have always wanted war with Iran, but they want the narrative '..we offered Iran a good deal, but they were unreasonable.'

3. The end of the resistance? No, this is the last hurrah of the West, look at the economic statistics. The death of the dollar, and the disassembling of Nato. Also the longer this war lasts, the weaker will become the whores of the West who rule us.

 

[LeGenD]

Sorry but at no point did I say "Islam permits haram for conflicts". You built that strawman just so you can write a paragraph. I clearly stated that anything that is haram becomes permissible in times of necessity. See how you twist what people say? So when no Muslim country is putting sanctions on Israel or other nation states that do business with Israel, nor are they fighting jihad which has been prescribed for when Muslims are being attacked by the Kuffar, then it becomes permissible to take these measures out of necessity.

So far you've demonstrated that you have absolutely no idea about usool fiq, and you're twisting the deen here to satisfy materislism at the expense of justice, which is not what the Prophet and his companions ever did. That list of prohibitions of war mentions nothing about "disrupting economic activity", you literally made a non-sequitur there...and just to educate you some more, the Prophet and companions would regularly raid caravans of the quraysh in times of war, so commercial interest are fair game which is what the Yemenis are doing as long as non-combattants are unharmed.

According to sheikh al Albani and many scholars who are not on the payroll of governments have clearly stated that no Muslim state represents Islam. So while there is some elements of shariah in some Muslim states, nowhere is the shariah fully implemented like how the early generations did, and in fact the shariah is being watered down year on year in countries like Saudi Arabia, the so called land of Tawheed.

Sorry I only take information from scholars or respected Muslim websites, not some anonymous random powerpoint on slideshare. Hope you understand.

Why would houthis need to go to Shaam, when there are forces already there? I can't believe you just said that. Yes global trade should be for all, but I don't hear you complaining when global trade is restricted by force via unilateral sanctions when the West does it. So I dont buy this crocodile tears on "global trade is for everyone" as it's pure double standards and hypocrisy.

Why would they need to use the religious card in Yemen, theyve already solidified their position there? Therefore their actions have nothing to do with that, theyre taking a risk by helping their brothers in Palestine by making this war costly on anyone who does trade with Israel. If they wanted to solidify their position they wouldn't be doing this, therefore their action is genuine and should be enouraged by any Muslim who takes their religion seriously.

And you clearly dont know much about swarm tactics because you wrongly used the houthi attacks as some sort of benchmark for what a swarm attack is. None of your lovely pictures demonstrates how their system works in a proper swarm attack with electronic warfare, even the pictures themselves show the ships engaging one or two incoming projectiles. So your assumptions are equally based on theory, and a theory that isn't even grounded on reality of what swarm tactics are.

Following link:

IHL and Islam: An overview - Humanitarian Law & Policy Blog

With armed conflicts taking place in so many parts of the Muslim world, the Islamic law of war is as indispensable as ever for the protection of civilians and other persons hors de combat. Over the centuries, classical Muslim jurists have provided impressive legal literature, which, just as...

blogs.icrc.org

Read and try to understand.

Those commercial ships are not manned by Israeli troops or enemy combatants but carry goods for different countries. Understand the difference.

Twisting religion is not my forte but yours. You have very conveniently boasted that Islam permits haram in times of war based on twisted interpretations of some scholars. This is a fasadi thought process. Keep it up though as this strategy will not be fruitful.

Israeli economy is not affected as it receives aid from the US to meet its needs. Israeli operation on Palestinian lands continue unabated. You will see the outcome eventually.

Of-course, your lack of comprehension of CEC is noted. You refuse to study and understand provided literature. Best of luck with your imaginary defeats of the US Navy in battles.