China preparing for 'protracted' war, says think tank

The protracted war between China and the United States has long begun, which is the technology war. The focus of these two countries is not on resources and land, but on industrial upgrading through technological support. This is China's lifeline, which has completely affected every family in China, especially education. More and more parents are turning their children to science and engineering subjects. In the future, China will be crazy enough in better and more updated products
 
The war between Russia and Ukraine, fundamentally, is that neither country can provide enough to attract each other, with only resources, no products, and no market. War is only the final form of conflict, and China has not reached this stage. As for India, it is even more ridiculous. China is more interested in how to make money
 
If an ageing island with 25mil can win an industrial juggernaut with the world largest army(inc. reservist) and navy, then my dog can smoke pot too. lolol.

Launch missiles against us? You think we don't have ABM systems? The first to launch an attack will decimate whatever base each have. Taiwan can decimate Fujian at most and then what? Even with a US intervention, Taiwan might be lose. Look at Ukraine, you see any NATO boots? The most they can do are sanctions and weapons supply. You think you can easily supply Taiwan? LOL

Remember this, when nuclear powers fight, it is the end of humanity. The moment China launches, Russia launches. No retards in US are that stupid. The real reason China is not retaking Taiwan is due to economic reasons not military.

You underestimate the Taiwanese and overestimate your armed forces.

I have said enough on the topic already, be sure to read my other posts on topic first.
 
You underestimate the Taiwanese and overestimate your armed forces.

I have said enough on the topic already, be sure to read my other posts on topic first.
You know nothiing about Chinese people, as long as the republic of China doesn't seek independence, it's safe.

 
You underestimate the Taiwanese and overestimate your armed forces.

I have said enough on the topic already, be sure to read my other posts on topic first.

With US you might have a chance. But it is illogical to think a nation of 25 mil can win a war with a country of 1.4bil having the world's largest industrial base and largely self sufficient with food and having accesss to Russian resources. China can just blockade Taiwan for years on end and slowly decimate the Taiwanese economy. I circled Taiwan in a minivan back in 17'. My driver was ex-ROCAF and he said Taiwanese military enrolment is very very low because everybody knows they will lose when they fight. he says you just need to give a one week warning for the people to evacuate and transfer their wealth and offer them the chance to migrate to the mainland and the whole country would collapse. Taiwanese are not Ukrainians, they are feminized KPOP snowflakes. Chinese unlike Russians are very very patient and we will use this method to win the war, we will offer residency to patriots. The reason Ukraine can survive is due not just to their fighting determination but also geogrpahy, they can get replenishment from NATO. Taiwan is an island, it is both an advantage and a disadvantage. Yes China cannot do a quick blitz, but with naval blockade, China can achieve a slow decimation of Taiwan. Taiwan is not self suficient in food while Ukraine is a food exporter, with their economy in tatters, they can't import food, starving people get angry and will rebel. Ukraine taught China that US will never intervene directly with another nuclear power. Look at NATO denying they will send in the troops after the Macron gaffe. I am not overestimating China, I am explaining common sense to you. A war with China will mean the end of humanity, a nuke launched from US will automatically trigger Russian response. Do you understand, legally ROC is China, they never declared independence, they aren't even in the UN, 98% of the world except for a few minuscule islands recognize it as Chinese. US has no legal basis to even get involved. Look a few years ago, people here were predicting Trump will kill China, Covid will kill China, bla bla bla. Now we are growing at 5% with our chip industry advancing despite sanctions bla bla bla. Try going to sinodefence and look at our advancement. We are being UNDERESTIMATED and this my friend is dangerous because of miscalculations.
 
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and India will jump in too at some point. That'll just mean more trouble for China.
China is patiently waiting for you fools to jump in indeed. And China will make you sleepless nights in New Delhi.
 
Taiwan has a plan already, look it up yourself. I'm not a baby sitter or a teacher.
Nonsense, Taiwan doesn't have the capability to destroy Three Gorges Dam, unless they have nuke warheads.
 
USA..... 1 carrier battle group of USN can decimate most of the PLAN.....
Only can come out from a totally ignorant Indian foul mouth. US carriers will dare not to sail close to Chinese coast in war time, even 10 carriers are useless,. Next time, know what you are talking about before open your mouth. Of course, to you Indians, daddy America is invincible no matter what.
 
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Only can come out from a totally ignorant Indian foul mouth. US carriers will dare not to sail close to Chinese coast in war time, even 10 carriers are useless,. Next time, know what you are talking about before open your mouth. Of course, to you Indians, daddy America is invincible no matter what.
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Stop the personal attacks and stick to the topic

BACK TO THE TOPIC


With due respect, China will hit with shock and awe.

Real shock and awe totally unlike that of America self declared shock and awe of Iraq.

Attacking Kinmen island will be unnecessary declaration of war and give unnecessary warning.


More likely than not, the air and naval bases on Japan and Okinanwa and Guam will all be taken out in 10 minutes .


www.cnas.org


First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia

Followed up with periodic hits from to prevent airfields from being repaired , and to take out assets not taken out in the first strikes.

China’s Air-Launched Land Attack Cruise Missile Capability

There are advantages in developing an ALCM capability. An ALCM has enormous utility in the initial stages of a conflict and is likely to be used in armed conflict, as it can eliminate the enemy’s air defences as well as air bases. It can also be delivered at substantial standoff ranges. The PLAAF is only a recent entrant into the club of countries capable of long-range bomber operations. The only two other states with significantly greater experience are the United States and the Russian Federation.[25] China’s long-range air-launched cruise missile capabilities pose the greatest threat to static targets and slow-moving concentration of forces or troops, rather than airborne targets. The CJ-20 is not a threat to airborne targets because of their speed and manoeuvrability, making them difficult targets to destroy.[26]

For instance, the PLAAF’s KD-20, also known as CJ-20 ALCM missile, is geared for striking land targets. It is an air-launched land attack cruise missile with a range of 1500 km. CJ-20 forms the payload of the PLAAF’s Xian H-6 strategic bomber (See Table 4). The variant of the H-6 strategic bomber, known as the H-6K, presents an even greater challenge than the original H-6H/M variant that first emerged in 2006. If estimates and predictions are accurate, the H-6K has a substantial combat radius of 2,500 km and when equipped with the CJ-20, gives it a menacing striking range of 4,000 km, which is 40-percent more than its predecessor.
Developing strong, pragmatic and principled national security and defense policies.


First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia

Developing strong, pragmatic and principled national security and defense policies.
www.cnas.org

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And American carriers within the 2nd island chain be hit by multiple AShCMs and from DFs

Chinese Long-Range Ballistic Missiles Struck Moving Ship In South China Sea: Report

The test could represent the first full demonstration of a real Chinese long-range anti-ship ballistic missile capability.
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Chinese Long-Range Ballistic Missiles Struck Moving Ship In South China Sea: Report

The test could represent the first full demonstration of a real Chinese long-range anti-ship ballistic missile capability.

BY JOSEPH TREVITHICK NOVEMBER 16, 2020


At least some of the ballistic missiles that China's People's Liberation Army fired into the South China Sea during an exercise earlier this year, which you can read about more in the
War Zone's initial story on those drills, reportedly hit a moving target ship. If true, this would be the country's first known demonstration of an actual long-range anti-ship ballistic missile capability, which could significantly change the operational calculus for any potential opponent, including the United States, in the disputed maritime region and elsewhere in the Pacific.
The
South China Morning Post reported last week that Wang Xiangsui, a retired People's Liberation Army (PLA) officer, had said that one DF-26B intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) and one DF-21D medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) had struck the target vessel as it sailed near the Paracel Island chain during the August exercise. Wang, who has been described as "well-connected" in the past, is best known as one of the co-authors of the 1999 book Unrestricted Warfare, which covered various asymmetric means to undermine and defeat countries that were technologically superior to China. It has become a highly influential text, and general concept, in national security circles.


"We launched the DF-21 and DF-26, and the missiles hit a vessel sailing south of the Paracel Islands," Wang said during a closed-door gathering in China's eastern Zhejiang province in October, according to the
South China Morning Post. “Shortly after that, an American military attaché in Geneva, [Switzerland] complained and said it would lead to severe consequences if the missiles hit an American aircraft carrier. They see this as a show of force. But we are doing this because of their provocation."

Wang does not appear to have given any details about the target ship, its construction, how fast it might have been moving, or how the PLA may have cued the missiles their target.
It remains unclear exactly how many missiles the PLA fired during the exercise on Aug. 26.
South China Morning Post's initial report had indicated that two weapons had been launched, one DF-26B and one DF-21D, from sites in China's northwestern Qinghai province and in Zhejiang, respectively.
I will not talk of DF21s or DF26s as that making you so uptight and I hate to induce constipation in you.
At least not at the very beginning.

Just run of the mill ShCMs that China got in abundance. That range far far beyond the range of America Harpoon and other associated crap

A lot more reach, and a lot more bang, and lots and lots of them too.
And all those will touch you before you even know that they are there, and way way before you can launch at China.






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Chinese have about 3,000 of these kind of AShCMs.

In the form of Mach 3–4 YJ-12s carrying 400–500 kg semi shaped charge warheads, fired outside the AEGIS cover. The YJ-12 can also do evasive maneuvers to avoid anti-missile threats.



YJ-12 - Wikipedia

There is also the YJ-18 with reach exceeding Aegis cover. YJ-18 will start off at sub Mach 1. Until about 20 km from target , it will sprint at Mach 3–4 to deliver good news to the carrier .

China's YJ-18 Supersonic Anti-Ship Cruise Missile: America's Nightmare?

This Chinese description relates that the missile’s great strength is its “亚超结合的独特动力” [subsonic and supersonic combined unique propulsion]. Another term applied to this design is “双速制反舰导弹” [dual speed control ASCM]. As explained in the article, it is projected that YJ-18 would have an initial subsonic phase estimated at .8 Mach similar to the Klub of about 180km, but 20km from the target would unleash the supersonic sprint vehicle at speed of Mach 2.5 to 3. The “dual speed” function allows the system to realize certain advantages of subsonic cruise missiles, such as their “relatively long range, light weight and universality …” but also takes the chief advantage of supersonic ASCMs as well, namely the ability to “大幅压缩敌方的反应时间” [radically compress the enemy’s reaction time].

The Chinese article relates another advantage of the “dual speed” approach. Just as the missile comes into contact with the ship’s defenses, it “sheds the medium stage …,” thus simultaneously and dramatically altering both its speed and also its radar reflection, “which would impact the fire control calculation.” The likelihood that YJ-18 improves upon the Klub missile’s “digitization, automation, as well as providing more intelligent flight control and navigation technology” is attributed in the Chinese article to a recent Jane’s report.






EVEN I NEVER SAID CHINA WILL SINK THE CBGs

WHO THE FCCK CARE ABOUT SINKING CBGs

WHEN THE SHIPS AND CARRIERS ARE BURNING FROM END TO END,
FROM THE FUEL ON BOARD AND ORDNANCE ON BOARD , AND THE PAINT
AND THE FLESH AND FAT AND OIL OF American MEN AND WOMEN

THEY ALL CAN REMAIN AFLOAT FOREVER TO GIVE SOLACE TO America AND THEIR RUNNING DOGGIES AND BROWN NOSERS THAT NONE OF THEM SUNK AT ALL


Any time USA want to tango, China will tango with USA

A hit from Chinese AShCM will be sufficient for it to be over for any USA carrier.

CHINESE AShCM CARRY EVEN MORE BANG AND HELLFIRE THAN THAT RUSSIAN P-800.
AND EXPECT AT LEAST 100 MISSILES BE HITTING THAT CARRIER, AND AT LEAST 10 TO EACH OF THE BURKES AND TICOS



Estimated China got 3000++ of AShCMs

But it is more likely Chinese be firing 100 such missiles at single USA carrier.

But it is more likely Chinese be firing 100 such missiles at single USA carrier.

But it is more likely Chinese be firing 100 such missiles at single USA carrier.

No shit about bulkheads and spaces to contain the hellfire that will likely engulf the entire carrier.
WHEN ENTIRE SHIP CANNOT CONTAIN THE HELLFIRE, DONT TALK CRAP THAT BULKHEADS AND SPACES CAN CONTAIN THAT KIND OF HELLFIRE
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And not just the warhead, there will be 2–3 tons of missiles coming behind the warhead at Mach 3 tearing into the bulkheads and ordnance and aviation fuel and the poor men and women in the carrier. Those 2–3 tons of missile body will be tearing in the bulkheads faster and more deadly then APFSDS. Andf carrying its own unburned fuel to add to the fun.
Even steel will burn when hit with hell fire and tons of steel and debris coming in at Mach 3. The aviation fuel, and paint on walls, the bombs and ordnance will all cook off and add to the huge huge fire inside the carrier. Regardless if carrier under Condition Zebra or Donkey or Jackass.
The brave sailors in those carriers will not care or worry and be happy that their carrier not sinking. And only burning and burning from one end to the other end


USA need not worry too much of DF26s DF21s any more.

Or even of the 3000++ AShCMs of China, including many Mach3s


As long as USA carriers and Burkes and Ticos stay out of 2nd Island Chain, they will remain safe.

Meet the latest.

This baby is call the YJ-21 , 鹰击-21 or Eagle Strike 21



https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/04/yj-21-chinas-new-anti-ship-missile-will-make-the-navy-sweat/



AND OF COURSE, EXPECT 300+++ DF21s and DF26s that be raining down from directly over head at Mach 10



USA fanboys then come about foaming at the mouth that should their precious carriers be hit, they use nukes.

They think China got measly 200++ nukes.
Just like the 5000 km China underground GREAT WALL, contain only piddling 200++ nukes?
USA not realising China nukes are thermonuclear nukes and immediately usable as Chinese nukes are done to YuMing configuration.

USA must think why with only 200++ nukes, China can fire off 2000++ warheads express delivery via DF5 , DF31AG, DF-41 and JL2 and JL3 and much more.

Perhaps they think most of the warheads are delivering dim sum, sweet and sour chicken and tea bags.

Should USA fire just one nuke at China or chinese forces, all the USA bases in Japan and Okinawa and Singapore and Diego Garcia and in USA be turned into seas and lakes of multicolor glass.



And for the next hour, those air bases and naval bases in Japan Guam Okinawa and Phillipine and anywhere else be hit by cruise missiiles to take out assets not taken out by DFs

Then and there, invastion and attack of Taiwan will commence.
 
You know nothiing about Chinese people, as long as the republic of China doesn't seek independence, it's safe.


I know a lot, enough that is.
 
With US you might have a chance. But it is illogical to think a nation of 25 mil can win a war with a country of 1.4bil having the world's largest industrial base and largely self sufficient with food and having accesss to Russian resources. China can just blockade Taiwan for years on end and slowly decimate the Taiwanese economy. I circled Taiwan in a minivan back in 17'. My driver was ex-ROCAF and he said Taiwanese military enrolment is very very low because everybody knows they will lose when they fight. he says you just need to give a one week warning for the people to evacuate and transfer their wealth and offer them the chance to migrate to the mainland and the whole country would collapse. Taiwanese are not Ukrainians, they are feminized KPOP snowflakes. Chinese unlike Russians are very very patient and we will use this method to win the war, we will offer residency to patriots. The reason Ukraine can survive is due not just to their fighting determination but also geogrpahy, they can get replenishment from NATO. Taiwan is an island, it is both an advantage and a disadvantage. Yes China cannot do a quick blitz, but with naval blockade, China can achieve a slow decimation of Taiwan. Taiwan is not self suficient in food while Ukraine is a food exporter, with their economy in tatters, they can't import food, starving people get angry and will rebel. Ukraine taught China that US will never intervene directly with another nuclear power. Look at NATO denying they will send in the troops after the Macron gaffe. I am not overestimating China, I am explaining common sense to you. A war with China will mean the end of humanity, a nuke launched from US will automatically trigger Russian response. Do you understand, legally ROC is China, they never declared independence, they aren't even in the UN, 98% of the world except for a few minuscule islands recognize it as Chinese. US has no legal basis to even get involved. Look a few years ago, people here were predicting Trump will kill China, Covid will kill China, bla bla bla. Now we are growing at 5% with our chip industry advancing despite sanctions bla bla bla. Try going to sinodefence and look at our advancement. We are being UNDERESTIMATED and this my friend is dangerous because of miscalculations.

Ukraine has held up against Russia with Western support. Taliban defeated NATO + US + ISAF without much help.

China will lose a lot in a war against Taiwan.

You and other Chinese nationalists on this thread don't know sheet about warfare. 😂
 
China is patiently waiting for you fools to jump in indeed. And China will make you sleepless nights in New Delhi.

N. Delhi has nothing to do with me.

Be sure to check my flags before pressing that reply button. 😂
 
Ukraine has held up against Russia with Western support. Taliban defeated NATO + US + ISAF without much help.

China will lose a lot in a war against Taiwan.

You and other Chinese nationalists on this thread don't know sheet about warfare. 😂
Taiwan is republic of China, they are also Chinese. they are more nationlistic than mainland Chinese

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They're Chinese in name only, they like to call themselves "Taiwanese". 😂
I call myself Beijinger and I m ethnic Han Chinese, this is why I say you know nothing about China, there's a such a country called Taiwan in the world.
 

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