An Indian Tejas fighter jet crashed during an aerial display at the Dubai Air Show

[MH.Yang]

Indians had this miscalculations about China too. The old PDF forum was full of Indians from maybe 10-15 years ago that China couldn't ignore the huge trade benefits with India and so Pakistan would not factor much for China. But Modi's very stupid foreign policy alienated China, resulting in a situation when in the May 2025 conflict, China was almost a direct co-belligerent on behalf of Pakistan!!

I have repeatedly discussed the important differences in the logic of rights between China, the United States, India, and other countries.

The essence of a country and government is the violent tool used by the ruling group to rule over the ruled group.

The United States or India is a country where capital rules the people through the government.

On the contrary, China is a country where the people rule capital through the government.

Capital chasing profits may harm the long-term interests of the country for short-term gains.

But China will not, as Chinese capital has no power, and the Chinese government will not hesitate to quickly abandon short-term interests for long-term benefits.

 

[MH.Yang]

F86 Sabres maintained a 10:1 kill ratio against Mig15 flown by NK/Chinese and Russian pilots. Majority of U.S. losses were WW2 era Mustangs/Corsairs and SkyRaiders. Sabre losses were 78.

Per ChatGPT…

Below is a consolidated historical view of total U.S. military aircraft losses in the Korean War and a comparison with Chinese/North Korean losses. These figures come from widely accepted U.S. Air Force, Navy, DoD, and Chinese sources; numbers vary slightly between historians but are consistent in scale.





Combined U.S. Military Aircraft Losses (All Services)


Total U.S. aircraft lost (USAF + USN + USMC): ~2,000 aircraft


Breakdown by service

Service​	Approx. Losses​	Notes​
USAF	~1,466	~1,041 combat, ~425 non-combat
U.S. Navy	~564	Includes carrier-based operations
U.S. Marine Corps	~316	Mostly F4U Corsairs, AD Skyraiders

Total U.S. aircraft losses in combat:


~1,400 (combat)
~600 (non-combat)
Non-combat losses were relatively high due to early-jet reliability and harsh weather operations.





Chinese & North Korean Aircraft Losses


Estimates vary more widely because:

• Chinese PLAAF and North Korean KPAF records were not fully published
• Soviet pilots flew many missions using Chinese markings

However, historians converge on the following:


Chinese + North Korean total aircraft losses:


~2,550–3,000 aircraft


Commonly cited estimates:

• PLAAF (China): ~1,600–1,800 lost
• KPAF (North Korea): ~300–400 lost
• Soviet Air Force (flying covertly): ~335–345 lost (unacknowledged officially at the time)

Air-to-Air Kill Comparison (MiG Alley)



U.S. F-86 Sabre vs. MiG-15

• Traditional U.S. claim: 10:1 kill ratio
• Modern archival analysis suggests: ~5:1 or 6:1
• • U.S. F-86 losses to MiGs: ~78
  • MiG-15 losses to Sabres: ~350–450

Summary Comparison



Aircraft loss totals

Side​	Total Aircraft Lost​
United States (all services)	~2,000
China + North Korea + Soviet pilots	~2,550–3,000

Bottom line:

• The U.S. lost fewer aircraft overall, despite flying far more missions, including ground attack and interdiction roles which were much riskier.
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• Chinese/North Korean losses were higher, particularly in air-to-air combat, where U.S. jets (especially the F-86 Sabre) had a significant advantage.

The Chinese Air Force was established in 1949, and the Korean War broke out in 1950.

At the outbreak of the War, China only had six air divisions. Most of the fighter jets were aircraft left behind by the Japanese Air Force in China during World War II, and only about 400 MIG-15s from the Soviet Union.

I don't know how the US shot down so many fighter jets according to the data you released. The total number of jets in the entire Chinese Air Force at that time was not even half of this figure. Moreover, China's MIG-15 were less than the US's F-86.

It is important to know that throughout the war, the Chinese Air Force completed their strategic task. That is, they defended the Mig corridor, ensuring the logistical route for the volunteer army.

 

[nang2]

The Chinese Air Force was established in 1949, and the Korean War broke out in 1950.

At the outbreak of the War, China only had six air divisions. Most of the fighter jets were aircraft left behind by the Japanese Air Force in China during World War II, and only about 400 MIG-15s from the Soviet Union.

I don't know how the US shot down so many fighter jets according to the data you released. The total number of jets in the entire Chinese Air Force at that time was not even half of this figure. Moreover, China's MIG-15 were less than the US's F-86.

It is important to know that throughout the war, the Chinese Air Force completed their strategic task. That is, they defended the Mig corridor, ensuring the logistical route for the volunteer army.

Nitpicking. Japanese didn't have any fighter jets during WWII. They had fighter planes.

 

[Meengla]

Sorry, wrong thread....

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OMG! Who has the time for these graphics?!!

But, as some senior sources suggest, it still matters why they were lost.

The Tejas crash another Abhinandan 2019 disaster for India.

 

[MH.Yang]

Nitpicking. Japanese didn't have any fighter jets during WWII. They had fighter planes.

The US data is clearly problematic. The biggest clue is the number of Chinese pilots. An air force that was founded eight months before joining the war, where did get so many pilots? The number of MIG-15s that China received is also easy to verify and clearly does not match the US data.

 

[nang2]

The US data is clearly problematic. The biggest clue is the number of Chinese pilots. An air force that was founded eight months before joining the war, where did get so many pilots? The number of MIG-15s that China received is also easy to verify and clearly does not match the US data.

No doubt about that.

 

[Meengla]

@AZ_HighCountry : Sorry, yet to ask my Southern wife if this is indeed some kind of line dancing or not.

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[FuturePAF]

They've already started doing a face saving gestures that somehow Pakistan, China, and the US sabotaged their plane. This is what the Indians do. If you beat them fair and square, they won't accept it, they'll dilute it with their bullsh*t until fact and fiction all merged into one.

It is their classic go to tactic. The ironic thing is that their ploy is directed at their own domestic audience, so they can confuse their own people, while the world watches and makes its impression. For example, I’m sure the day after Trump got briefed in his morning PDB (Presidential daily brief) by his intel aide with a back and forth something like; Aide: India lost a fighter jet at an air show, it had an American engine. They seem to be blaming our engine. Trump: another one, … those Indians, unreliable, and on top of it even blaming with our engine. We need to keep slow rolling engine deliveries. They do this after they haven’t cooperated on Russian oil.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

@AZ_HighCountry : Sorry, yet to ask my Southern wife if this is indeed some kind of line dancing or not.

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No worries.

 

[Meengla]

No worries.

Okay, finally just showed to wife and she said 'Yes, this is line dancing but I can't smile at this video because someone is dying'.

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

They are saying whatever comes to their mind ....so far more than 100 reasons of crash have been thrown on TV.....the pilot was on God's mission....America and Pakistan are behind the crash....evil eyes of Pakistanis visited that stall.....so much content....

what about the evil magnetic pull of the UAE desert?

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

Actually if it is an engine/airframe issue this will give the IAF just the excuse they need to finally walk away from this disaster of a project

heads will roll in the air force.

 

[HAIDER]

IAF chief gave a excellent and brutal statement...he said the Teja project or DRDO project should be handled by private company, let them in, govt totally failed ...a project start in 1981 and not achieved the required goals.
Private sectors no doubt efficient and produce results.

 

[Meengla]

@AZ_HighCountry : Sorry, yet to ask my Southern wife if this is indeed some kind of line dancing or not.

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I think it was low for someone to have made that video and I apologize to try to answer about the 'line dancing' dancing question.

 

[Maarkhoor]

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