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[Tumba]

Without American permission ( codes ) Turkish F-35s can not even take off against Israel

I doubt Americans can exert that level of control on a sovereign nations fighters.

If that was case why would Euros or Kor/Jap buy same.
May be there are some comm protocols and americunt sat network usage control limits but restrictions of flying a jet based on code highly improbable.

Turks can buy F-35 and use its own comm and data links and may be sat networks this way can independently fly the fighter ofcourse it will not be optimal as fighter is made keeping those in mind but a stealth is still a stealth.

I remember USA wanted India to sign few agreements on usage of P-8I but once India rejected americunts took out few equipments and India installed some domestic equipments still P-8I are massive improvements on Russian TUs India was operating

 

[Merzifonlu]

I doubt Americans can exert that level of control on a sovereign nations fighters.

If that was case why would Euros or Kor/Jap buy same.

There’s no question about it—the US has full control over the F-35. It’s essentially a machine that can’t even fly without receiving code from the US first.

So why are other countries buying them? Out of desperation. They were either too late or gave up on developing their own 5th generation fighters, so now they’re scrambling.

And don’t bring up “Korea is developing the KF-21”—that’s laughable. Korea relies on the US for every single critical component.

 

[Foinikas]

So why are other countries buying them? Out of desperation. They were either too late or gave up on developing their own 5th generation fighters, so now they’re scrambling.

Also because of political pressure,maybe even bribes(LM has a history in that),some countries even have no problem since their enemies are almost always traditional US enemies.

 

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Trump: Erdogan deserves great praise for helping Israel get rid of a regime that was working against it

 

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Trump: Erdogan deserves great praise for helping Israel get rid of a regime that was working against it

Well,there you go!

 

[Eşbah]

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[hodor]

There’s no need for Turkish troops in Gaza. Why should we be involved there at all? Securing the area should primarily be Egypt’s and Saudi Arabia’s responsibility. They should sort it out among themselves. I think it’s still too early to get involved in everything. Turkey spent 80 years focused inward; it wouldn’t lose anything by waiting another 10 years.

 

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Overview of deployed Israeli air defences:

• Arrow-2/3: 3 batteries
• THAAD: unknown (0-1 batteries)
• Patriot (PAC-2): 3-4 batteries
• David's Sling: 2 batteries
• Iron Dome: 10 batteries

Arrow-2/3: 3 batteries

Presume 2 Arrow-2 batteries and 1 Arrow-3 battery

1 battery = 4-8 launchers
1 launcher = 6 Arrow-2/3

--> each battery has 24-48 Arrow-2 missiles
Arrow-2 = 2 x 8 x 6 = 86 Arrow-2 missiles
Arrow-3 = 1 x 8 x 6 = 48 Arrow-3 missiles
= up to 134 total Arrow-2 and Arrow-3 missile interceptors deployed across Israel at any one time

THAAD: 0-1 batteries (not confirmed)

1 battery = 6 launchers
1 launcher = 8 interceptors

Israel does not have any of its own THAAD systems but the US sent unknown number of launchers to Israel in 2019. Assume 1 battery = up to 48 THAAD missile interceptors deployed (by USA).

Patriot PAC-2 air defence system: 3-4 batteries

1 battery = 6 launchers
1 launcher = 4 PAC-2 (OR 16 PAC-3 missiles)

--> each battery has up to 24 PAC-2 interceptors

Israel has 3-4 Patriot PAC-2 batteries deployed = (3-4) x 6 x 4 = 72-96 PAC-2 missile interceptors deployed at any one time

David's Sling: 2 batteries

1 battery = unknown number of launchers (presume 4-6)
1 launcher = 6-12 Stunner missile interceptors

--> each battery has 24-72 Stunner interceptors

Israel is estimated to have 2 David's Sling batteries deployed = 2 x 24-72 = 48-148 missile interceptors deployed at any one time

Iron Dome: 10 batteries

1 battery = 3-4 launchers
1 launcher = 20 Tamir missile interceptors

--> each battery has 60-80 Tamir interceptors

= 20 x (3-4) x 10 = 600-800 Iron Dome interceptors deployed across all of Israel at any one time

Relevance for Iranian ballistic missiles?

Iron Dome and David's Sling are not designed to intercept MRBMs so are of limited relevance.

Relevant systems: Arrow-2/3, Patriot PAC-2 and THAAD. Conservative estimates (from Iran's perspective) therefore suggest a total number of 278 ABM interceptors (134 Arrow-2/3 + 48 THAAD + 96 Patriot PAC-2) deployed by Israel to counter Iranian MRBMs.

Assuming Israel fires 2 interceptors per 1 MRBM detected = can attempt to intercept c. 140 MRBMs at once. If we assume no THAAD and 3 PAC-2 batteries instead of 4, this becomes c. 100 MRBMs.

That Means , the Countries such as Iran and Turkiye that are advanced in missile technologies and capable of producing their own missiles can penetrate Israeli AD Systems

Egypt , S.Arabia , The UAE and other Arab Countries can not produce even a Cruise Missile

According to your Post
ISRAEL .... ( total of 1.226 missile interceptors at any one time )
-- 134 Arrow-2 and Arrow-3 missile interceptors
-- 48 THAAD missile interceptors
-- 96 PAC-2 missile interceptors
-- 148 David's Sling missile interceptors
-- 800 Iron Dome interceptors


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20 years ago , Turkiye had only American Missiles .. 100 ATACMS , 50 SLAM-ER , 90 HARM Missiles which can not reach even to Israel ... ( what an useless fire power )

Today , Turkiye has its own Ballistic , Cruise Missiles , long range guided munitions and kamikaze Drones which is the 2nd strongest fire power in NATO after USA

to produce 3.000 of them to hit all Israeli military targets , air Bases

Long range Kamikaze Drones
-- 500 km AZAB
-- 700 km SUPER LIGHTNING ( turbojet engined )
-- 800 km KARGI anti-radiation

Cruise Missiles
-- 275 km SOM-J ( air launched )
-- 400+ km KARA-ATMACA
-- 1.000 km GEZGIN
-- also 150+ km CAKIR and KUZGUN-TJ to be carried in internal weapon bays of the KIZILELMA and ANKA-III unmanned stealth Fighter Jets for SEAD-DEAD role

Ballistic Missiles
-- 360 km BORA ( supersonic )
-- 500+ km 300-ER ( air launched )
-- 560+ km TAYFUN Block1/2 ( hypersonic )
-- 1.000+ km TAYFUN Block4 ( hypersonic )
-- 2.000 km CENK ( hypersonic )


RESULT : Turkiye has capability to produce enough Missiles / Kamikaze Drones to fire from Turkish mainland , Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and Naval-Air Platforms to penetrate Israeli AD Systems

Note : Israel is no longer a technologically superior country in the region... Apart from the US-made F-35s, it has no other advantage, and with the entry into service of Turkish stealth platforms such as KAAN, KIZILELMA, and ANKA-3, Israel will also lose its air superiority in the region.

 

[Foinikas]

Israel is no longer a technologically superior country in the region... Apart from the US-made F-35s, it has no other advantage,

It has nukes

 

[MMM-E]

It has nukes

Turkiye has also nukes in Pakistan against Israel

btw , Russia has nukes too but can not use in a war against Ukraine
No one can use nuclear weapons except during World War III.

 

[Foinikas]

Turkiye has also nukes in Pakistan against Israel

Yeah it's like candy,you just ask and they give you. Here,bro. Have some nukes. You think Pakistan will risk getting nuked to pieces for Turkey...

 

[MMM-E]

Yeah it's like candy,you just ask and they give you. Here,bro. Have some nukes. You think Pakistan will risk getting nuked to pieces for Turkey...

or Israel will risk getting nuked to pieces for its zionist dream
only one nuke will be enough for tiny Israel

not only Turkiye but also S.Arabia is under Pakistan's nuclear protection

 

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Turkish President ERDOGAN

We are closely monitoring the increasing provocations and threats ( Greece-Israel ) in the Eastern Mediterranean targeting the interests of our country and the Turkish Cypriot people.

I want it to be known that we will never turn a blind eye to fait accompli, opportunism, or piracy in the Blue Homeland.

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[Foinikas]

We are closely monitoring the increasing provocations and threats

Erdogan has a habit of twisting the truth. There is absolutely no threat on behalf of Greece and Cyprus against Turkey. No claims on Turkey's territory and no provocation.

On the contrary,the only one who provokes is Turkey with such "offers" as you mentioned the previous time about "sharing" the Aegean 50-50 or taking our islands.

The last 5 years we've heard real threats from Erdogan's mouth and witnessed provocations at sea and at Evros.

 

[Foinikas]

not only Turkiye but also S.Arabia is under Pakistan's nuclear protection

@Ak01 @Master Chief @Ali_Baba @r3alist @RescueRanger @PakAl @hasssanali8998 Is Turkey and Saudi Arabia under your nuclear protection? Have you signed any agreements to get into nuclear war if someone attacks them?