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[tsunset]

the real problem actually is people don't look the news and are stuck with Ahmadi-nejad media stunt Mock-up with garmin gps and fm radio and a joystick.

Blame Ahmadinjead for it, useless PR stunt in 2013 made it look like a joke basically forever, even if it flies they will still see it as a joke because of the 2013 drama

 

[muhammed45]

The other platform that somehow reminds us of stealth design carried out on Qaher F-313 is the Lockheed 'Have Blue' aircraft.

Have Blue's concept including its goals are very similar to what Iranian scientists were trying to achieve through Qaher's concept.


Have blue used 2 J-85 Turbojet engines almost similar to, if not the same, power plant of Q-F-313.

This aircraft was the first step towards developing a complete stealth aircraft in United states. The leading engineers of this concept didn't pursue an advanced aerodynamically designed plane but rather they looked for its radar based features hence the plane aerodynamically looks ridiculous and unrealistic. But in fact it follows a radar-based design that allows its developers to analyze it and finally find a completely radar evading shape for future aircrafts.

This concept was the basis of American stealth platform studies. It led to multiple results that American airforce currently boasts about.



Lockheed F-117 a direct result of studying and improving concept of Have Blue





Similiar to Have Blue, Q-F-313 greatly reduces its RCS by deflecting electromagnetic waves in directions other than that of the radar emitter.



However, Q-F-313 is designed based upon insisting on concept of ground affect. That's why we saw edgy shape at the end of its wings.

The air intake on the new version of Q-F-313 that performed Taxi-Test, is improved compared to the previously unveiled fighter jet almost one and a half decade ago. Also the nozzles were seen to he different and size wise the new version of it was improved.

To be continued .....

 

[Immortals]

Quoted him but doesn’t name him. Considering it’s the Chief Executive you would expect a name! It’s not like he’s said it anonymously.
And he only said 4 or 5 words.

Can’t imagine anything being unveiled at Nowrouz.

Smells a bit, this one

It sounds like regurgitated information from this article with their own fake quote inserted.

Iran To Convert Its ‘F-35 Replica’ Fifth-Gen Stealth Fighter Jet ‘Qaher-313’ Into A Pilotless Warplane

Over a decade ago, Iran claimed rolling out its “fifth-generation” Qaher-313 stealth fighter jet, projected as the country’s most advanced warplane. An Iranian defense ministry now says the country is ready to convert this stealth fighter into an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV). The managing...

www.eurasiantimes.com

Here he says STARTING in new calendar year they plan to introduce F-313

But he said something similar about next few months in August 2023

https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/488189/Iran-to-unveil-indigenous-unmanned-plane-in-near-future

All in All, take with a bucket of salt.

 

[muhammed45]

The other platform that somehow reminds us of stealth design carried out on Qaher F-313 is the Lockheed 'Have Blue' aircraft.

Have Blue's concept including its goals are very similar to what Iranian scientists were trying to achieve through Qaher's concept.
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Have blue used 2 J-85 Turbojet engines almost similar to, if not the same, power plant of Q-F-313.

This aircraft was the first step towards developing a complete stealth aircraft in United states. The leading engineers of this concept didn't pursue an advanced aerodynamically designed plane but rather they looked for its radar based features hence the plane aerodynamically looks ridiculous and unrealistic. But in fact it follows a radar-based design that allows its developers to analyze it and finally find a completely radar evading shape for future aircrafts.

This concept was the basis of American stealth platform studies. It led to multiple results that American airforce currently boasts about.

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Lockheed F-117 a direct result of studying and improving concept of Have Blue

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Similiar to Have Blue, Q-F-313 greatly reduces its RCS by deflecting electromagnetic waves in directions other than that of the radar emitter.

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However, Q-F-313 is designed based upon insisting on concept of ground affect. That's why we saw edgy shape at the end of its wings.

The air intake on the new version of Q-F-313 that performed Taxi-Test, is improved compared to the previously unveiled fighter jet almost one and a half decade ago. Also the nozzles were seen to he different and size wise the new version of it was improved.

To be continued .....

Americans after Vietnam war and Arab-Israel conflict, felt the need for a radar evading platform that could remain undetected by ground based radars. They asked aircraft manufacturing companies in US to design and produce a fighter jet with those features. In the year 1975. First flight of Have blue was in the year 1977 and it led to F-117 in the year 1981. 6 years of research and development for an industrially giant country.

We need to be more patient. Given the limited budget, Iran won't produce something that needs improvement in the future. They will produce only something that meets the requirements of armed forces without major weaknesses. Hence multiple projects in IRIAF never saw the light of day.

 

[Immortals]

Americans after Vietnam war and Arab-Israel conflict, felt the need for a radar evading platform that could remain undetected by ground based radars. They asked aircraft manufacturing companies in US to design and produce a fighter jet with those features. In the year 1975. First flight of Have blue was in the year 1977 and it led to F-117 in the year 1981. 14 years of research and development for an industrially giant country.

We need to be more patient. Given the limited budget, Iran won't produce something that needs improvement in the future. They will produce only something that meets the requirements of armed forces without major weaknesses. Hence multiple projects in IRIAF never saw the light of day.

F-117 flew very close to the ground with ability to detect radar radiation to avoid them and had a terrain avoidance system built in. Not a very good comparison to F-313.

The F-313 will look drastically different than that model that was shown off years ago.

That assumes the project is even seriously being produced. I doubt it. Projects that are serious (Bavar, Mowj, Fateh, etc) you hear a lot more about them during development than we ever heard about F-313.

 

[muhammed45]

Maybe one day all of the experiences that were gained from this project lead us to a manned and unmanned stealth fighter jet, no matter identical to F-313 or not, that day these hardships will yield.

F-117 flew very close to the ground with ability to detect radar radiation to avoid them and had a terrain avoidance system built in. Not a very good comparison to F-313.

The F-313 will look drastically different than that model that was shown off years ago.

That assumes the project is even seriously being produced. I doubt it. Projects that are serious (Bavar, Mowj, Fateh, etc) you hear a lot more about them during development than we ever heard about F-313.

 

[Zarathustra]

Thanks for that interesting piece Muhammed45.

I’m not at all convinced that ground effect has much to do with the design as ground effect only works within a half wingspan of the ground.
This would mean the aircraft would have to fly at about 6 to 10 feet.
The Bavar Ekranoplan is the best example of this. Of course you can do this over water!

But I do want this story to have some truth to it

 

[muhammed45]

@Immortals

We cannot claim an stealth fighter jet without starting from the zero point. That's why I believe F-22 is the only actual 5th gen fighter jet in the world and others are wannabe F-22s.

We need to first learn the alphabets and then try to speak English.

Thanks for that interesting piece Muhammad45.

I’m not at all convinced that ground effect has much to do with the design as ground effect only works within a wingspan of the ground.
This would mean the aircraft would have to fly at about 6 to 10 feet.
The Ekranoplan is the best example of this. Of course you can do this over water!

Fighter jets are designed based on the military doctrine and requirements of the original country, my friend.

Iran's major problem is USN and the ACs supported by its group of destroyers. That wing would be for naval and coastal defense forces, approach ACs while undetected above sea level.

However, if DM could produce a formidable 5th gen fighter, the new fighters would be different as per requests of IRIAF.

 

[LegionnairE]

the real problem actually is people don't look the news and are stuck with Ahmadi-nejad media stunt Mock-up with garmin gps and fm radio and a joystick.

looks about the same tbh

I think we should simply wait what they show us this time!

I can't wait

 

[Hack-Hook]

looks about the same tbh


I can't wait

honestly if you don't see the difference then there is no point continue this

 

[Immortals]

honestly if you don't see the difference then there is no point continue this

Neither plane can fly. Landing gear on taxi model is not even rated for the load bearing force of that jet.

Jet is still comically small, intakes would force a stall in any significant manuvering, question if engines would melt the area around in the exhaust in the back.

Design size would need to be increased by 200% to accommodate a sufficient internal bay. Maybe this was small scale model. Wings would need to be straightened out and ditch the bird of prey design.


The only way to keep current design is to increase size by 150% make it unmanned super low altitude attack drone. Use AI to install terrain avoidance algorithm + Chinese/Russian topography mapping data of Middle East (or use own satellites) as redundancy. make it supersonic. The goal would be to make a unmanned supersonic version of F-117 that would fly at very low altitude to avoid enemy radars by hugging terrain alongside its <0.1 m2 RCS attack behind enemy lines and escape.

That is only way to make current version viable.


Or else if you want a fighter jet that flys above 40,000 feat then you need to follow the Russians/Chinese/Americans/South Koreans/Turks

Iran didn’t magically figure out a design that others couldn’t figure out. There is a reason why nearly all the 5th gen fighters look very similar to one another.

 

[LegionnairE]

Neither plane can fly. Landing gear on taxi model is not even rated for the load bearing force of that jet.

Jet is still comically small, intakes would force a stall in any significant manuvering, question if engines would melt the area around in the exhaust in the back.

Design size would need to be increased by 200% to accommodate a sufficient internal bay. Maybe this was small scale model. Wings would need to be straightened out and ditch the bird of prey design.


The only way to keep current design is to increase size by 150% make it unmanned super low altitude attack drone. Use AI to install terrain avoidance algorithm + Chinese/Russian topography mapping data of Middle East (or use own satellites) as redundancy. make it supersonic. The goal would be to make a unmanned supersonic version of F-117 that would fly at very low altitude to avoid enemy radars by hugging terrain alongside its <0.1 m2 RCS attack behind enemy lines and escape.

That is only way to make current version viable.


Or else if you want a fighter jet that flys above 40,000 feat then you need to follow the Russians/Chinese/Americans/South Koreans/Turks

Iran didn’t magically figure out a design that others couldn’t figure out. There is a reason why nearly all the 5th gen fighters look very similar to one another.

Thank you.

And Iranian had to say this.

There's no way a functional radar is going to fit inside that nose, there's no way an air to air missile is going to fit anywhere inside that plane ESPECIALLY an iranian missile.


Just adding a second engine and and small changes here and there like that tiny little gimbal under the nose, isn't going to save this plane.

Whoever approved that initial design needs to commit seppuku.

But I'm interested to see the next prototype nevertheless Go Iran!

 

[Hack-Hook]

And Iranian had to say this.

There's no way a functional radar is going to fit inside that nose, there's no way an air to air missile is going to fit anywhere inside that plane ESPECIALLY an iranian missile.

that nose have more room than f-5 nose and there are good radars that can fit there .

missile is going to fit anywhere inside that plane ESPECIALLY an iranian missile.

lol why you think its bvr . maybe 2 fatter and several SDB

and you think how much bigger it become

 

[Hack-Hook]

The only way to keep current design is to increase size by 150% make it unmanned super low altitude attack drone.

and your occupation with size without considering small fact that big equipment are not beneficial for Iran military doctrine.
you are repeating USSR mistake

 

[Hack-Hook]

Wings would need to be straightened out and ditch the bird of prey design.

why , that reduce the lift

intakes would force a stall in any significant manuvering, question if engines would melt the area around in the exhaust in the back.

its j-85 or turbofan version of it we are talking

uestion if engines would melt the area around in the exhaust in the back.

the area is supposed to be made of ceramic