Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mythbuster]

I cannot believe that I agree with you for the first time in years lol

Iran's nuclear program has reached a dead-end anyway. And Iranian militias in the Middle East have proven to be absolutely useless for Iran's security and have been severely weakened anyway. So, why keep them?

I think what prevents a deal at this point is Iran's ballistic missiles. The US destroyed critical components of Iran's nuclear program in June. Israel defeated Hezbollah a year ago and Assad was toppled in Syria about 2 years ago. The US wants to take care of the last remaining threat this time. Once it has been settled, the US will push for negotiations again, assuming the regime survives, and this time, Iran will be forced to accept all the 3 conditions (no nukes, no MRBMs, no militias) or risk war at a much weaker position again. This cycle will continue until full regime change or capitulation.

Political theatre for the galleries aside , Iran has already capitulated in principle...no nukes ...done ....no militias , done .....range of missiles and verification process are the only irritants... there are reasonable chances something will be worked out.

 

[Immortals]

Does that account have a credible history? I'm not on Twitter much.

He’s done a good job covering the Ukraine war as impartially as you can expect from a Pro-Western OSINT page.

It’s unusual for him to make such claim. Usually only covers Russia-Ukraine.

 

[ShapurII]

Political theatre for the galleries aside , Iran has already capitulated in principle...no nukes ...done ....no militias , done .....range of missiles and verification process are the only irritants... there are reasonable chances something will be worked out.

The IRGC would never give up on their MRBMs and I can understand why. Because it is Iran's only deterrence at this point.
Iran lacks capable armed forces. Our air force, navy and ground forces still use many of the equipment bought during the Pahlavi era. Iran's ballistic missiles are all that Iran has at this point.

To resolve this issue, Iran needs some sort of guarantee that it won't need to use our MRBMs. In other words, Iran needs some sort of normalization with both the United States and Israel, which seems impossible with the current system in power, particularly with the IRGC.

So, in addition to our ballistic missiles, expect the IRGC and anti-Israel factions inside Iran to be hit really hard in the near future. I think the oligarchy in Iran would love the normalization of ties with the US and the West, even if it means to give Israel some sort of recognition, or security guarantees.

 

[Immortals]

Political theatre for the galleries aside , Iran has already capitulated in principle...no nukes ...done ....no militias , done .....range of missiles and verification process are the only irritants... there are reasonable chances something will be worked out.

Assad also gave up his chemical weapons program and Russia verified the process.

Where is Assad now?

Assad, Ghaddafi, Saddam.

Iran would be foolish to think “this time is different”. Unless Iran has reached its Soviet Union 1991 implosion moment.

 

[Immortals]

The IRGC would never give up on their MRBMs and I can understand why. Because it is Iran's only deterrence at this point.

What deterrence? Iran is literally being attacked for the 2nd time in 1 year.

The deterrence Iran had was actually:

“Oil deterrence” of 2000-2010
Weak presidents who didn’t want to start a war with Iran
2008 Global Financial Crisis
An Axis of Resistance of foreign legions
Iran’s entrenchment in Syria

Missiles were just the cherry on top, not the primary cause.

However since 2008, US has become a massive oil producer. OPEC has pumped record levels to offset Iranian oil production. And the foreign legions have been significantly weakened and Iran has had to flee Syria.

Iran’s deterrence was really its wide influence in the region and the U.S. reliance on Middle East oil. All of that has changed in the past decade.

US is in the best position to deal with Iran since 2010. Sure in 2005 it would probably have been much easier since Iran had no air defenses and just a highly inaccurate Shahab-3, but better late then never.

 

[jamal18]

Not only that but the Zionist are openly saying after Iran they will target Turkey and qatar

Yes. And Turkey will do absolutely nothing.

 

[mythbuster]

Not only that but the Zionist are openly saying after Iran they will target Turkey and qatar

The IRGC would never give up on their MRBMs and I can understand why. Because it is Iran's only deterrence at this point.
Iran lacks capable armed forces. Our air force, navy and ground forces still use many of the equipment bought during the Pahlavi era. Iran's ballistic missiles are all that Iran has at this point.

To resolve this issue, Iran needs some sort of guarantee that it won't need to use our MRBMs. In other words, Iran needs some sort of normalization with both the United States and Israel, which seems impossible with the current system in power, particularly with the IRGC.

So, in addition to our ballistic missiles, expect the IRGC and anti-Israel factions inside Iran to be hit really hard in the near future. I think the oligarchy in Iran would love the normalization of ties with the US and the West, even if it means to give Israel some sort of recognition, or security guarantees.

Agree with you , survival is the most basic human instinct , in fact for all life forms.. Agrachi has been throwing some sweeteners like cooperation in energy and mining and buying aircrafts .

 

[mangekyo]

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[ShapurII]

What deterrence? Iran is literally being attacked for the 2nd time in 1 year.

The deterrence Iran had was actually:

“Oil deterrence” of 2000-2010
Weak presidents who didn’t want to start a war with Iran
2008 Global Financial Crisis
An Axis of Resistance of foreign legions
Iran’s entrenchment in Syria

Missiles were just the cherry on top, not the primary cause.

However since 2008, US has become a massive oil producer. OPEC has pumped record levels to offset Iranian oil production. And the foreign legions have been significantly weakened and Iran has had to flee Syria.

Iran’s deterrence was really its wide influence in the region and the U.S. reliance on Middle East oil. All of that has changed in the past decade.

US is in the best position to deal with Iran since 2010. Sure in 2005 it would probably have been much easier since Iran had no air defenses and just a highly inaccurate Shahab-3, but better late then never.

Nevertheless, it is all that Iran has left. It is not perfect, but it does give Iran some sort of deterrence to stay in power a little bit more. That's all this regime is about: buying time to stay in power for a few more months/years at the expense of us Iranians.

Khamenei and the IRGC will not accept to handover our missiles at any cost. So, the only plausible scenario is that the US defuses this last remaining threat as well, and then push for new negotiations until the regime agrees to all the 3 conditions and becomes a "normal" state, according to them.

 

[mangekyo]

Nevertheless, it is all that Iran has left. It is not perfect, but it does give Iran some sort of deterrence to stay in power a little bit more. That's all this regime is about: buying time to stay in power for a few more months/years at the expense of us Iranians.

Khamenei and the IRGC will not accept to handover our missiles at any cost. So, the only plausible scenario is that the US defuses this last remaining threat as well, and then push for new negotiations until the regime agrees to all the 3 conditions and becomes a "normal" state, according to them.

I am convinced factions inside Iran are working with USA and Israel. They are staging a coup by slowly purging all the hardliners and AoR. Soleimani and Quds commanders were purged. Raisi and Abdollahian purged. Salami, Hajizadeh, Bagheri purged. Whoever is left will be purged in the coming war for the final stage of the coup.

 

[BHAN85]

Epstein files have proven that the American people are not even bothered to rise up when American Children are Trafficked, Raped and ritualistically murdered by their Baal worshipping Zionist "elites".

They care about dead American soldiers. And they would care about sunk warships.

If Iran sinks USS Abraham Lincoln, the humiliation for USA military would be huge.

And it would justify a nuclear attack from USA to Iran.
Like Pearl Harbor attack justified Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear bombings.
Maybe, it's exactly what USA ruling elite is seeking.

Epstein is another thing, it's just text, it has no visual impact.
Coffins with USA flag have impact.
And a live streaming of a sinking aircraft carrier, it would have an impact of 9/11 attacks kind.
Besides world economy effects of a full Iran war will be huge too, a scapegoat is needed, and Israel is the perfect useful fool for that.

 

[ShapurII]

I am convinced factions inside Iran are working with USA and Israel. They are staging a coup by slowly purging all the hardliners and AoR. Soleimani and Quds commanders were purged. Raisi and Abdollahian purged. Salami, Hajizadeh, Bagheri purged. Whoever is left will be purged in the coming war for the final stage of the coup.

Even the IRGC is heavily infiltrated by these people.
Today I learned that Hanieh Safavi, the daughter of the former head of the IRGC, lives in Australia.

Let's not forget that most of these trustees are in fact family members of the IRGC officials. So, even the IRGC is not just one faction.

 

[Watandar]

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A leopard never changes its spots. These Al Saud, Al Nahyan, Al Saba whatever would have remained local tribal lords eternally quarrelling with each other if not for the British/Americans who raised them to the present standard. They will all be fully participating in the upcoming attack on Iran, just like in the 1980s. Their energy infrastructure should suffer accordingly, unlike the 1980s.

 

[Immortals]

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[Immortals]

Pakistan PM kissing Trump’s ass….no honor in this man

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