Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SolarWarden]

There is little meaningful support - like weapons or ammunitions - when there are 1,000 sorties per day. Anything bigger than a mouse will get detected and neutralized.

The hope of some that China or Russia will somehow start flying in weapons is silly. If they ever decided to go all in like Vietnam I picture a scene like the movie Casino where two made men were scamming the Casino Sam (De Niro) Rothstein is running and Nicky (Joe Pesci) goes to confront them giving them a onetime warning out of respect since they were made men. I picture Orangeman sending Rubio to give China and Russia a onetime warning out of respect since they are military powers that the next flight to Iran carrying weapons will be shot down or sunk if by ship. Maybe any other president would look the other way but not Orangeman he will call their bluff and shoot them down and tell them your move.

 

[SolarWarden]

They basically evacuated Iraq already. Take the very large and important Ain al-Asad Airbase as an example. At the moment, the Americans are focusing on Erbil and KRG. Probably in anticipation of this war.

Largest US Consulate Opens in Iraq's Kurdistan

As Washington prepares to formally end its military presence in Iraq by the expected deadline of September 2026, it has moved to reinforce its position in the country through the inauguration of a vast new consulate in Erbil, the largest US diplomatic

en.al-akhbar.com

Fake. Azerbaijan has neither the military power nor Turkey's backing to push through with a massive military project like this.



How would you define 'the West'? Do you consider Turkey to be part of the collective West? If that's the case, then the Ukrainians got Turkish support right from the beginning. Today, Kiev remains free from Russian control thanks to the Turkish drones and missiles that were sent in during the early days of the war and just before it began. The Russians had to retreat from land in northern Ukraine, partly because of significant Turkish involvement while the Europeans were still discussing what to do. Yet, the Russians would pick Ankara over Tehran in a heartbeat because they are completely untrustworthy.


Turkey's involvement hinges on various factors that I won't delve into here, as it's not the right subject. Just a quick note: Turkey has long sought for Iraq to label the PKK as a terrorist group but has been unsuccessful for many years, primarily due to Iran's influence. The Shia factions in Baghdad turned down Turkey's requests because the IRI leadership opposed it.

They only accepted to refer to PKK as 'banned organisations' in 2024-2025.

Iraq labels PKK as 'banned organization' in official documents

Iraqi government directs all state institutions to refer to PKK terror group as 'banned organization' in official correspondence - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Still not labeled as a terrorist organization by Baghdad.

Another brilliant, long-term, multi-step, 4D chess move by IRI decision-makers. So, hopefully you understand and accept the shortsighted policy of Iran in this whole case.

So what happens if the next missile out of Iran heading towards Turkey is "missed" by SM-3 and hits inside Turkey? Will they retaliate on their own or invoke article 5?

 

[PakistaniDefender]

I hope what Iranis say about elongation of the war through less launches everyday is actually true. I am actually concerned about Enemies destroying Missile bases and missile fuel facilities.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

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[Fasbre2]

Purchasing an EV won't be so bad after all.

Which run off electricity and that needs to be generated by power stations which are powered by oil/gas, except the nuc and solar/wind generation ones.

 

[EugeneP]

How do we always manage to find ourselves in these situations

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Hmm, when one borrows from a bank, the bank keeps the title to the property.

 

[StrategicBear]

If the Americans and Kurds are concentrated in Irbil, then Iran and Iraqi Resistance should smash their positions there with all sorts of powerful drones and missiles to turn that area into a slaughterfest for the American soldiers. Wipe them out, all of them.

 

[Bengal71]

Doubtful. Ukraine is facing an existential crisis fighting Russia, so why would they deploy troops to the Middle East when they're short on men fighting Russia?

Doesn't make sense. Does killing brown people here matters more than killing white Russians to fight for the existence of their country?

They will send some just to suck up to Trump so he keeps giving weapons.

 

[StrategicBear]

The hope of some that China or Russia will somehow start flying in weapons is silly. If they ever decided to go all in like Vietnam I picture a scene like the movie Casino where two made men were scamming the Casino Sam (De Niro) Rothstein is running and Nicky (Joe Pesci) goes to confront them giving them a onetime warning out of respect since they were made men. I picture Orangeman sending Rubio to give China and Russia a onetime warning out of respect since they are military powers that the next flight to Iran carrying weapons will be shot down or sunk if by ship. Maybe any other president would look the other way but not Orangeman he will call their bluff and shoot them down and tell them your move.

If I am Xi I will stand up to orangeman. Because there is nothing in this world that I hate more than a White Man who is Racist as Hekk as my stated vision for the 21st century will be an Asian Century with all Western countries declining and subservient to China and Asians to get back at them for Colonialism, so it will be my personal mission to screw orangeman as a world leader at any cost even to my own self. I am ideologically opposed to men like Trump so he is lucky he has not met a world leader from Russia or China like me yet who wants to ensure he is taken out and removed from power.

 

[Eşbah]

So what happens if the next missile out of Iran heading towards Turkey is "missed" by SM-3 and hits inside Turkey? Will they retaliate on their own or invoke article 5?

1. Iranians are not going to launch an attack on Turkey.

2. Turks are not going to initiate an attack on Iran.

3. The borderline between Turkey and Iran is essentially one of the oldest mutually recognized borders between two neighboring countries and stands as the oldest boundary in the Middle East for a reason.

4. Even if a single Iranian missile strikes Turkish territory, it won't have significant implications unless there's a consistent pattern. No one in Ankara is going to invoke Article 5 for just one missile.

5. Why the hell should Iran in this difficult times attack Turkey in the first place? What makes people think that would happen? Their entire foreign policy has always been very rational, even too rational one might say.

 

[ninja87]

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Tel Aviv is getting the Gaza treatment right now

 

[Aggregate]

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I don't think a nuke can take out Fordow. Use of nukes for such purposes was tried and long abandoned. Nukes are not an all-to-go solution for every problem. Their blast by its nature, is mostly reflective and travels at the surface/upwards to the path of least resistance. The major damage from a nuke occurs coz of the air-pressure waves (causing structural collapses leading to deaths), and radiation & high temperatures (both causing deaths). Ground shockwaves remain at surface levels too. There is comparatively less damage underneath a nuke compared to even the much lower powered conventional weapons.

• A 1KT weapon can create a crater 20 feet deep on average, flat ground
• A 1MT weapon can create a crater 200 feet deep on average, flat ground

Fordow is 300 feet Deep and the rocks are dense, steep and hard. Mountains are very good shock absorbers. I read a report saying that even a 1MT weapon might struggle to create a crater more than 40 feet deep on such a mountain. At the same time, it will obliterate a whole city around it - in lateral direction and spread radioactivity for hundreds of miles. Committing the largest ever war crime for a 40 foot deep crater is not useful in any way.

US did develop a 'bunker buster nuke" but it was abandoned as the shock and forces required tended to damage the mechanisms of the nuke and the effects were not worth the hassle. Conventional bunker busters are still the way.

For reference, this is a 200KT blast in on sandy, soft surface and was detonated slightly sub-surface. Fordow's mountain is one of the hardest of the surfaces one can find.

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

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Sounds more like an attempt to steal the buried enriched uranium stockpile by using special teams para dropped.

 

[BHAN85]

"You are concerned about 'grave risk to the global economy'; what about the innocent civilians, including 175 little angels slaughtered in the City of Minab, and many more killed and maimed across Iran during the past 7 days of American/Israeli criminal acts?!"

Iran blasts UN chief for downplaying US-Israeli atrocities

Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesman sharply criticizes the UN chief for downplaying the human toll of the fresh unprovoked US-Israeli aggression.

www.presstv.ir

UN is a joke.

If attack over school was deliberate, as psychological measure to trigger a emotional response, it's hard to find in mankind history a greater evilness, maybe Herod.

And it's perfectly credible that it was deliberate, Western states are plenty of that scum, like Epstein case proved. The most immoral and bizarre thing possible, to trigger the maximum emotional human response.

 

[Falcon29]

UAE is under heavy attack by dozens of Iranian drones + missiles since morning