Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Immortals said:
Neither set of points is real.

So why summarize the wet dreams of Israelis and the demands of an “unnamed Iranian official” ?
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The US 15-point is probably based on something real as they are the ones peddling this negotiation nonsense.

Also, I know for a fact that several Iranian MPs have set demands for peace talks with the US. Not in a negotiation setting, but as a requirement for a possible peace treaty in the future.

As you said, this war can only end with a peace treaty now that regime change is no longer an option.
 
Immortals said:
Former CIA Director believes Iran over Trump!
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Lol. Don't use this sleaze bag for anything he will soon be indicted.
 
Shags101 said:
True and what are sanctions relief going to do at this point best thing Iran can do is ride this out because 15 point plan is just another trap for them to come in later if Iran doesn’t commit to a strong hand I promise you even if they stop this war unilaterally with Iran Iran should keep on bombing Israeli territory until their cities are laid to ruin and once they have finally exhausted all of their missiles than they call a ceasefire unilaterally
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U.S. embargo needs to be lifted and U.S. needs to commit investing 100B+ in Iranian oil, gas, and rare earth metals.

Without US having skin in the game and benefiting from Iran’s development, any sanctions relief will be dead on arrival, as the world (EU, Asia, and Russia) stays clear of Iran for fear of potential new sanctions in the future because there are no American companies.

Thus US needs to invest heavily in the Iranian economy and prosper alongside Iran. This will make it very hard for any future administration to cancel as the final losses would be high.
 
Eşbah said:
The conditions set by the US for a comprehensive peace agreement are widely known and nothing new. The issue is that even with the ongoing war and the US's failure to topple the Iranian leadership, they continue to insist on their outrageous demands, which amount to a complete surrender agreement.

They will not back down until their attempt to set boots on the ground fails miserably and creates shock waves throughout the American society.
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Iran is winning the war on PDF , in reality surrender documents are being prepared in Islamabad...
 
onlinpunit said:
Come on! Seriously ! Your leaders had enough time and resources to develop A decent air force and defence. There is no doubt that US can defeat any country in the world. But at what cost. ? The deterrence is all about making the opponent's victory as costly as possible.
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Decent airforce wasn't possible. Who would've sold fighter aircraft to them?
 
ShapurII said:
The US 15-point is probably based on something real as they are the ones peddling this negotiation nonsense.
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It’s basically the May 2025 deal that Argachi assured us wasn’t what Steve Witkoff was actually saying in the negotiation room……just before we got bombed in June 2025.
 
Eşbah said:
The conditions set by the US for a comprehensive peace agreement are widely known and nothing new. The issue is that even with the ongoing war and the US's failure to topple the Iranian leadership, they continue to insist on their outrageous demands, which amount to a complete surrender agreement.
They will not back down until their attempt to set boots on the ground fails miserably and creates shock waves throughout the American society.
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In Urdu language, it is said 'The elephant has one set of teeth to intimidate others, and another set of teeth to chew on its food'.
Both sides have maximalist demands but some realism from the war is setting in both sides. I posted a NY Times link just above. While NY Times has a certain journalistic bias for Israel, it is also ruthless against Trump and also tries to present news as news. NY Times, by anonymous contacts with White House, is hinting at Trump really wants a way out of this war.

It will be very important to note if there is going to be discussions in Islamabad or not in coming few days and if VP Vance going there or not. The likes of Whitkoff and Kushner are Israelis agents and carry no weight in negotiations. But Vance does and he is against his war.
 
You know the **** are about to run out of interceptors when they're requesting a month long ceasefire lol, they must think Iranians are stupid. There is no way Iran is going to agree to this, and its going to be painful for that illegal state in ME - time to get back in sewage shelters you ****, it'll be raining missiles over your heads soon. Remember what you did to Gaza? Oh how the tables have turned.
 
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Immortals said:
It’s basically the May 2025 deal that Argachi assured us wasn’t what Steve Witkoff was actually saying in the negotiation room……just before we got bombed in June 2025.
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Well, then let's wait and see if the negotiations are real or not. Negotiating based on what Iran was offered before is a form of face-saving surrender.
 
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