Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Oscar]

Will be a blood bath, considering Iranians are hitting what they want at will even after pissraelis have dropped so called 15,000 bombs in Iran, Iranians must already have a plan to turn any Kharg Island Invasion into a meat grinder.

Just can't believe how the fudge US sleepwalked into this debacle. US isn't winning this one. Iran is gonna make GCC hurt so bad they will remember for two generations.

I really hope diplomacy works, for one the economic aftershocks stop, and two, Pakistan gets the honor how ever much of it somehow.

It really depends since air supremacy means US can provide air support at will but if Iran has even a quarter of what the Japanese had set up at Iwo Jima it could result in quite a few US casualties before the Island is taken not to mention the Iranians could do a beserker mode and basically shut down all oil out of GCC except KSA.

Which could make TONS of money providing a land route and pipeline for other GCC states to ship their oil out - maybe MBS sees this angle??

Maybe its not about Iran for KSA as much as teaching the cousins a lesson in interfering and working against Saudis - eh?

 

[Immortals]

 

[SecularNationalist]

Everyone with a fucntioning brain knows that these soldiers are just slop for the meat grinder. With the proliferation of FPV drones and other cheap tactical intelligence gathering drones, american soldiers are in for a ride they'll hardly be able to forget( granted they survive).

Let them die. I bet no one will shed tears for them except by their families.

 

[Aggregate]

With control on kharg island strait of Hormuz gone iran will loose most of its leverage. Iran should act before US forces gather as a whole group to strike Iran. Target them and make them weak.

They will portray it as a Pearl Harbour type event and gain support of US public, to go crazy on Iran. The narrative will be "Iran killed X number of US soldiers while we were having negotiations".

Though, of course they are gonna attack as soon as they are done preparing anyway ...

Its a tough choice.

There might be a slight little chance that this is all being done as a pressure tactic to force Iran into negotiations, rather than an actual attack ... though remote, but that could be the best one can hope in this situation.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

They do indeed, although if anyone can remember Operation Eagles Claw, one can say US Special Operations history v Iran is not exactly full of stellar acheivement...

You need to remember the circumstances behind that operation. We learned a lot from that operation. Lessons that were not repeated during Shield / Storm.

 

[ShapurII]

Just a long term economic impact on US economy that is fuel dependent is enough in my opinion.

I don't think so. The American politics is very much party-dependent. The Republicans are not going to switch over to the Democrats easily. The Dems are just too weird for most of them. They need stronger reasons for that to happen. Body bags are very convincing though.

I consider myself to be a sane American. Haven't time to bury my head in the sand. Hard to see the big picture if I were to.

Again, you can lose one third of the Senate. So, Trump can be impeached and will be impeached in that case.

 

[SecularNationalist]

They will portray it as a Pearl Harbour type event and gain support of US public, to take any action they want. The narrative will be "Iran killed X number of US soldiers while we were having negotiations".

Though of course they are gonna attack as soon as they are done preparing anyway ...

Its a tough choice.

Well the circumstances of pearl harbor and this war are very different.
At this time US has no public support.

 

[brazensword]

If I were a gambling man - I would focus my attention on monitoring Iran's Western Border, but hey that's just me.

The real suprise might come from the East

 

[Oscar]

What number do you think that would take?

During the war in Vietnam, the average weekly number of US KIA was approximately 1100. There was no move to impeach Johnson and later Nixon.

Back in Vietnam the channels were some respected journalists and media independents that provided images at their relatively slow streams.

What do you when it floods your tiktok and instagram regardless of maddening moderation?

We do a of effort to keep ptsd and other minor casualties quiet until they are not immediately relevant - we cannot control things being posted by non US personnel.

I can hear the CCR playing already

 

[brazensword]

Well the circumstances of pearl harbor and this war are very different.
At this time US has no public support.

The Orcs don't care about public support.

 

[Immortals]

It really depends since air supremacy means US can provide air support at will but if Iran has even a quarter of what the Japanese had set up at Iwo Jima it could result in quite a few US casualties before the Island is taken.

I don’t doubt US can take the island. They likely will by sheer overwhelming firepower. It’s holding the Island that I don’t think is likely.

I also think the propaganda on the island has gotten way out of hand. Iran can always redirect oil flows to other terminals like Jask, which was built as an alternative.

Kharags benefits has always been convience for VLCC in the shallow waters of the PG. however, everyone and their mom acts like the oil is actually extracted there. It’s not an oil field. This overstatement can end up causing a let down when once captured the supposed benefits don’t show up.

People act like Iran is the Death Star and Kharg is the critical design flaw that blows up the entire country. It doesn’t work that way.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

In that case, 70K is enough and is a serious threat.

Still not enough, logistics will be hell, death toll will be very high. FPV drones changed warfare, it will be way worse than Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

[SecularNationalist]

The Orcs don't care about public support.

Well it's still a democracy.
No hope if it's a tyranny.

 

[Immortals]

New Angle

 

[Yasser76]

You need to remember the circumstances behind that operation. We learned a lot from that operation. Lessons that were not repeated during Shield / Storm.

Sure, I get that, Iran has also learned lessons from fighting then fighting US, Iraq, Israel and of course studied Afghanistan closely. Awkward fact is the enemy can learn too, and going by the last few weeks Iran seems to be the one that has surprised many.

No room for complacency but right now this whole thing is an utter disaster for the US, it still has the chance to get better or turn into a complete and utter blood bath for American. Thankfully it has not come to that.