Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[hasssanali8998]

You had above denied any Pakistani aircraft presence in Iran to help the Iranian delegates

becasue PAF never entered irani airspace , we just escorted them through afghani and pakistani airspace

 

[Meengla]

So I was going to bring this up but of course Bibi corruption appearance got canceled yet again most likely preparing for something big I mean the Iranians have to just watch for those cancellations to know something big is about occur @Immortals @Persian Gulf

Good post.
And can you believe Trump is publicly calling the Israeli President all sorts of names asking the Israeli President to drop the corruption charges on Netanyahu. Isn't that not only meddling in another country's domestic affairs but also shows to what extent Trump is a Netanyahu stooge?!

 

[hasssanali8998]

I would go even further and say that the Pakistani escort was only a symbolic act of friendship with Iran, and also a symbolic act of prestige for PR by the PAF.

no , it wasnt symbolic . we didnt even see an official video or post by paf

 

[ShapurII]

All with the exception of the Mig-29s (which only came into service at the end of the war) where 3rd Gen aircraft. All the Russian aircraft were downgraded export version of what the Soviets where flying at the time. Iran had 4th Generation F-14s from day one and our older F-4D/Es where more capable than most the types flown by the Iraqis. This is why I said their only advantage was Quantitative. Unlike Iran, Iraq was able to purchase fighters to replace their loses and build up their fleet.

Our F-14s were the game changer weapon for us. Anyway, the point is that the IRIAF and the IRIAA helped us defend our territory and even expand into the Iraqi territory.

We could've invested in an air force. The Russians sold us RD-33 engines and were developing a joint fighter named Shafagh with us.

They have lost more than that but those are the ones that proof has been provided for.

It's hard to hide the shooting down of a jet fighter.

 

[mangekyo]

Well to tell ya truth I am not too sure about that. Most use of Western jets is press a button and drop a bomb etc from a mile up there. When was the last time you saw a competent air force fighting against American Israeli etc. against Iraq? Libya? Syria? Iran? Hamas? hezbollah? Yet we always told about invincible IAF or USAF etc

Only place i can see in recent years western jets facing competent air force Pakistan faced Indian raffles and kicked their asses.

Oh and Pakistan jets at a fraction of the cost of western jets why do we accept that their kit is worth so much? Trump forces NATO armies to spend more and buy more kit of America and more money for Americans and jobs etc etc it look a bit scam to me

The thing is that US has the capability to obliterate almost any airforce before they even get a chance to take off. And this is before the US sends in their own airforce.

 

[Shags101]

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Good post.
And can you believe Trump is publicly calling the Israeli President all sorts of names asking the Israeli President to drop the corruption charges on Netanyahu. Isn't that not only meddling in another country's domestic affairs but also shows to what extent Trump is a Netanyahu stooge?!

It’s fine interfering in other peoples corrupt or totalitarian “governments” but as long as you don’t question Trump and his “policies” or call out Bibi and his governments atrocities……because it’s antisemitic to do that…..ok

 

[Meengla]

Things don't get hidden in Pakistan for long and Pakistani officials were involved in the discussions, even as the proverbial 'fly on the wall'. It will be interesting to watch what some credible journalists have to say about the Islamabad Talks based on their engagements with the Iranian delegates...

 

[ety]

Gulf oil including gulf arabs and iran only accounts for 7-8% of total China energy needs. Most is from coal power and clean energy. And China has oil pipelines into russia/central asia and deep connections in africa/brazil/venezuela etc so boost the oil as required.

So end of the day, China is definitely not risking all for something very marginal but will do everything to hurt america as much as possible without getting directly involved.

Unlike India that finds itself in trouble now totally unprepared for this Mideast oil crisis, China has been preparing for this scenario of energy supplies choke esp in Mideast for the last few decades by developing new green energy sources, diversifying oil and gas supplies and stockpiling huge oil reserves.

 

[r3alist]

 

[The SC]

Satellite images, according to an American institute, reveal the construction of berms, barriers, and fencing at the Isfahan nuclear facility. (after the 18 th of March)

 

[Kyussis]

Our F-14s were the game changer weapon for us. Anyway, the point is that the IRIAF and the IRIAA helped us defend our territory and even expand into the Iraqi territory.

We could've invested in an air force. The Russians sold us RD-33 engines and were developing a joint fighter named Shafagh with us.

The Shafaqh project came to a halt when the U.S put enough pressure on the Russians to end their cooperation in the project. Shafagh itself was only a light fighter /Advance Jet trainer, nothing game changing. Iran could have spent a $100 billion on the IRIAF but at the end of the day, it still would not be a match for the USAF and IAF. Iran has managed to build a formidable Missile and Drone force that has proven its worth against the world's sole superpower while having one of the smallest Defense budgets in all of West Asia!

It's hard to hide the shooting down of a jet fighter.

Not when they crash in remote uninhabited mountains!

 

[Meengla]

Right.
And I think we need to reconsider from simplistic discussions like 'The Ceasefire was to allow Israel-America to rearm'. As far as I can tell, Iran benefits more from this ceasefire and especially by its shorter duration, as @Aziqbal said several pages above.

 

[Aryan_B]

Fair enough but neither should be words of an Iranian-Italian who denies multiple reports of Pakistani escorts of the Iranian delegates from inside the Iran through landing in Islamabad. Why is it so hard for you to believe the Pakistani escort when Iran doesn't even have an air force and when Iran is unable to protect its topmost leadership in this war?
You had above denied any Pakistani aircraft presence in Iran to help the Iranian delegates and yet you don't logically see that possibility? What is your animus toward Pakistan?!!

Pakistan’s covert air escort strategy​

Pakistani aviation and military officials coordinated an 'air mobility deception' to safeguard the Iranian delegation’s flight from Gorgan to Islamabad. A Pakistani Airbus A321, with its transponder on, flew alongside the Iranian Airbus A300, which had its transponder switched off, making it invisible to civilian secondary radar but trackable on primary military radar. The route included extended flight time over Afghanistan and an entry into Pakistan via Chaman, with Pakistan Air Force assets on alert

Fighter jet escorts for US delegation​

US Vice President JD Vance’s aircraft was escorted by at least five Pakistan Air Force F-16 jets as it entered Pakistani airspace. This visible show of protection, mirrored by a formal reception for both US and Iranian delegations,

MSN

 

[ShapurII]

The Shafaqh project came to a halt when the U.S put enough pressure on the Russians to end their cooperation in the project. Shafagh itself was only a light fighter /Advance Jet trainer, nothing game changing. Iran could have spent a $100 billion on the IRIAF but at the end of the day, it still would not be a match for the USAF and IAF. Iran has managed to build a formidable Missile and Drone force that has proven its worth against the world's sole superpower while having one of the smallest Defense budgets in all of West Asia!

You have to start somewhere. We spent more than $100 billion on our proxy groups and Syria and what have we achieved with all that money?

Our missiles have proven to be ineffective at deterring Israel, or the US. And we seem quite vulnerable when it comes to defense. Our only effective weapon so far has been the Strait of Hormuz.

Not when it crashes in the mountains!

Even in mountains, there are people with cameras and smart phones.

 

[Aryan_B]

The thing is that US has the capability to obliterate almost any airforce before they even get a chance to take off. And this is before the US sends in their own airforce.

maybe so but they haven't really had much competition have they. Usually they just bombing the shit out of countries that have been under sanctions for years