Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Well honestly not surprising let’s say if this war has cost UAE around 120 billion and counting what has it cost Saudi Arabia and all of those mega projects that they were building many of which were already downsized are now out the window for the long term 2030 is now 2040 or later they bet on the wrong horse they bought into the Bibi and Trump war would be won in less than a week now Iran has almost won this chess match if the reports are true

Saudis are known liars. They claimed the Saudi airspace and bases will not be used in an attack on Iran and guess what? Not only the Saudis allowed the Americans to use them, but they asked Trump to finish the job and financed it too.

Of all Arabs in the Middle East, particularly the Persian Gulf states, Saudis are our worst enemy. Excluding the eastern parts of Saudi Arabia like Qatif, we share the least with the Saudis in terms of culture. Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, the Emirates, even Qatar share a lot more with us than we do with them.

 

[nervouscar]

Saudis are known liars. They claimed the Saudi airspace and bases will not be used in an attack on Iran and guess what? Not only the Saudis allowed the Americans to use them, but they asked Trump to finish the job and financed it too.

Of all Arabs in the Middle East, particularly the Persian Gulf states, Saudis are our worst enemy. Excluding the eastern parts of Saudi Arabia like Qatif, we share the least with the Saudis in terms of culture. Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, the Emirates, even Qatar share a lot more with us than we do with them.

People posting here and media paid rambos just want to show big rivalry between ksa and irainians.. In reality there is hardly any territorial dispute them or resource occupation or 0 probability of holy mosques appearing in tehran.. public in KSA never planned to occupy tehran and make it ksa province.even shia main sites are in iraq.. both dont want social fabric to be replaced by 100plus genders crises..
Its like forcefully created issues and people following western. Although there may be hate in people internally for religious beliefs but posters here always tell non follow islam in ksa govr or iran govt..
In comparison hindustan pakistan enimity has principles and very strong foundation ..

 

[Meengla]

In China's view, Saudi Arabia's diplomatic stance has undergone significant changes in the past decade. Saudi Arabia's diplomatic stance has shifted from being dominated by sectarian conflicts to being dominated by national interests.

Saudi Arabia has been implementing a "dual track strategy" of diplomacy, strengthening its military capabilities on the one hand, and promoting strategic cooperation with multiple countries on the other hand, rather than relying on any single external force, in order to achieve geopolitical autonomy.

At the beginning of this war, Saudi Arabia tried its best to maintain neutrality and decouple from the positions of the United States and Israel.

In the later stage, Saudi Arabia was hit by Iran, and the huge internal pressure forced its position to gradually become tough, but the overall goal is still to avoid falling into a direct war with Iran.

Saudi Arabia's performance in this war has shown that it regards safeguarding sovereignty and ensuring economic transformation (Vision 2030) as its top priority, which is even higher than its consideration of sectarian conflicts and regional allies.

Overall, if you expect Saudi Arabia to support the United States in dealing with Iran, War. You will be disappointed.

This post sums up well the role of Saudi Arabia in this war!

It is a myth that GCC countries wanted this war. I believe people like Trita Parsi say the same thing. I mean just look at how far the GCC suffered already. They must not have been any under illusions that Americans would prioritize their safety over Israel's safety before this war began. And now we have a potentially a situation where the decades long peace and prosperity of multiple GCC countries is destroyed for long. Why the hell they would want a war? They knew the Iranian missiles and drone capabilities well. Everyone knew that. I mean, everyone!

I believe the stupid Israeli attack on Qatar shifted the sands from beneath some Arab countries and they started to see Israel as a greater threat than Iran was perceived to be hitherto.

 

[Fatman17]

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[Ali_Baba]

Like I said, even a Vahidi led IRGC isn’t crazy enough to seriously attack US warships. Although attacking the LCS would avenge the crew of the Dena.

Technically Iran and the USA are in a state of ceasefire, so it cannot be attacked. Iran had plenty of opportunity to hit/sink a ship during the hostilities and could not achieve a direct hit.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The Kingdom blocked the US from flying aircraft out of Prince Sultan Airbase or through Saudi airspace, completely grounding the operation and removing the air defense umbrella protecting ships in transit.

Not sure how true this report is..

However, Had Saudi did this at the beginning, there would have been no war at all and the Saudi's would not have incurred tens of billions of dollars of losses in the process.

 

[Lulldapull]

Technically Iran and the USA are in a state of ceasefire, so it cannot be attacked. Iran had plenty of opportunity to hit/sink a ship during the hostilities and could not achieve a direct hit.

I believe plenty of hits were achieved, not only during the houthi vs USN war but also during the Iran vs USN war. Just like all the destroyed US bases we’re just finding out about after satellite pics have been released

 

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Bro it seems like trump is Homelander and everyone is sucking up to him..

 

[ShapurII]

People posting here and media paid rambos just want to show big rivalry between ksa and irainians.. In reality there is hardly any territorial dispute them or resource occupation or 0 probability of holy mosques appearing in tehran.. public in KSA never planned to occupy tehran and make it ksa province.even shia main sites are in iraq.. both dont want social fabric to be replaced by 100plus genders crises..
Its like forcefully created issues and people following western. Although there may be hate in people internally for religious beliefs but posters here always tell non follow islam in ksa govr or iran govt..
In comparison hindustan pakistan enimity has principles and very strong foundation ..

Saudi-Iran relations have always been sour. Other than a short period of friendship during King Faisal, who was assassinated, our relations have always been bad.

And most of your claims are false. Saudis created propaganda videos of invading Tehran in 2018. They have killed hundreds or maybe even thousands of Iranian pilgrims twice, on two different occasions during Hajj. MBS publicly said in several interviews that he was going to bring war into Iran. Saudis have constantly backed territorial claims of the UAE against Iran, have openly called Iran an occupier of the three islands, and provided military and financial support to Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war. They supported Saddam's claim on the Khuzestan province of Iran as well. They have been telling the US presidents to cut "the head of the snake" since at least 2011.

Out of all Arab countries, they are by far the most hated Arab country in Iran. And this is a sentiment that is shared by the majority of Iranians.

 

[BHAN85]

I believe plenty of hits were achieved, not only during the houthi vs USN war but also during the Iran vs USN war. Just like all the destroyed US bases we’re just finding out about after satellite pics have been released

More easy for Iran to target us bases than us warships.

US Bases locations are always the same.

Warships locations must be discovered first, and even with that information, they can move when the missile is flying towards them.

I think USA is only afraid of sail really near to coast, because cheap short range rockets can be used, and they couldnt escape in enough time, it must be the reason because USS Bush circled whole Africa to avoid sail near to Houthis in Red Sea.

 

[Optical216]

Bro it seems like trump is Homelander and everyone is sucking up to him..

well if you are anybody but xi you just have to. he leads a rogue superpower country.

 

[Meengla]

More easy for Iran to target us bases than us warships.
US Bases locations are always the same.
Warships locations must be discovered first, and even with that information, they can move when the missile is flying towards them.
I think USA is only afraid of sail really near to coast, because cheap short range rockets can be used, and they couldnt escape in enough time, it must be the reason because USS Bush circled whole Africa to avoid sail near to Houthis in Red Sea.

Good post.
I'd add that any future major American forces redeployed in the (mostly) destroyed American bases would be subjected again to the Iranian missiles and drones, which seem to be still plentily available and probably rapidly replenished. So in a scenario of a future attack on Iran, the Iranians would have the 'intelligence' available to target those bases, thus forcing the American forces to again shelter in civilian areas. This makes the American presence in the Middle East insecure for the American troops and assets deployed. On top of that, multiple sources are reporting a geopolitical shift where the Saudis (and probably other) regional countries not allowing anymore offensive action on Iran--maybe they are growing some spine. Who knows for sure but the Middle East post this war will be different.

Finally, as Pakistan's retired Air Commodore Khalid Chisti keeps saying, Iranians do have some capability to shoot down jets which are low flying or even able to target F-35s in right circumstances. I don't believe the Isfahan raid to rescue to the airman where multiple American jets were destroyed was entirely about the rescue; truth will come out later and maybe that was a factor in the ceasefire in the second week of April, if I recall the timeline correctly.

Bottom line is: Iran is not as toothless militarily and economically as may seem to some here. There is despondency in the pro-war crowd in America if you read between the lines.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

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a clear message that China will prioritize relation with Iran over GCC from now, no more balancing act, no more 'equal distance' diplomacy. Especially since MBS turned out to be a snake

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[Persian Gulf]

Saudi-Iran relations have always been sour. Other than a short period of friendship during King Faisal, who was assassinated, our relations have always been bad.

And most of your claims are false. Saudis created propaganda videos of invading Tehran in 2018. They have killed hundreds or maybe even thousands of Iranian pilgrims twice, on two different occasions during Hajj. MBS publicly said in several interviews that he was going to bring war into Iran. Saudis have constantly backed territorial claims of the UAE against Iran, have openly called Iran an occupier of the three islands, and provided military and financial support to Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war. They supported Saddam's claim on the Khuzestan province of Iran as well. They have been telling the US presidents to cut "the head of the snake" since at least 2011.

Out of all Arab countries, they are by far the most hated Arab country in Iran. And this is a sentiment that is shared by the majority of Iranians.

All of this is true, though they will have their own list of grievances with us

In my view, we can and must work with the Saudis. We don’t share as much culturally but we have more aligned interests than with the UAE or Bahrain, and the Saudis are big enough that we can’t dismiss or ignore them