Taliban Wants To Build Afghanistan’s Air Defenses With Russia’s Help

[I*R*A]

Do you need to continue analyzing and discussing this topic?

Personally I do not.

I had already said in my first post "Russia will act responsibly". At some stage, Afghanistan will need to upgrade its defenses, have a regular army, functional government and country. Our only contention with them, is their support for terrorist organizations, apart from that Pakistan doesn't have any claim on their land and is strong enough to defend its own territorial boundaries. Peaceful prosperous wise Afghanistan is in our interest.

 

[Michael]

Personally I do not.

I had already said in my first post "Russia will act responsibly". At some stage, Afghanistan will need to upgrade its defenses, have a regular army, functional government and country. Our only contention with them, is their support for terrorist organizations, apart from that Pakistan doesn't have any claim on their land and is strong enough to defend its own territorial boundaries. Peaceful prosperous wise Afghanistan is in our interest.

Many times, I'm unsure how to deal with the behavior of some Pakistani friends, like you.

Here are some very simple questions:

1. Russia itself is currently riddled with holes from Ukrainian bombing and suffers from a severe shortage of various types of air defense systems. There are even many voices within Russia urging the government to exchange oil for weapons from China. The production capacity of Russia's domestic military industry is severely insufficient to meet the army's needs. Under these circumstances, how can it deliver weapons to Afghanistan?

2. Afghanistan is extremely poor. Where would it get the money to purchase expensive air defense systems from abroad? Its domestic security environment and level of openness are also very poor, making it difficult for foreign investment to enter. The path of exchanging mineral resources for weapons is not feasible. Currently, foreign investment in large mining areas in Afghanistan is basically stagnant or extremely slow.

3. As for the issue of Pakistan, this issue cannot be discussed in depth here.

These are some very simple questions.

Between nations, at any time, it is not a simple binary opposition. Essentially, it's a balance between costs and benefits. On the surface, there's morality and righteousness; behind the scenes, it's all about transactions!

If you can't see through this, yet you actively discuss political topics, then you will always be a pawn manipulated by others.

 

[I*R*A]

Many times, I'm unsure how to deal with the behavior of some Pakistani friends, like you.

Here are some very simple questions:

1. Russia itself is currently riddled with holes from Ukrainian bombing and suffers from a severe shortage of various types of air defense systems. There are even many voices within Russia urging the government to exchange oil for weapons from China. The production capacity of Russia's domestic military industry is severely insufficient to meet the army's needs. Under these circumstances, how can it deliver weapons to Afghanistan?

2. Afghanistan is extremely poor. Where would it get the money to purchase expensive air defense systems from abroad? Its domestic security environment and level of openness are also very poor, making it difficult for foreign investment to enter. The path of exchanging mineral resources for weapons is not feasible. Currently, foreign investment in large mining areas in Afghanistan is basically stagnant or extremely slow.

3. As for the issue of Pakistan, this issue cannot be discussed in depth here.

These are some very simple questions.

Between nations, at any time, it is not a simple binary opposition. Essentially, it's a balance between costs and benefits. On the surface, there's morality and righteousness; behind the scenes, it's all about transactions!

If you can't see through this, yet you actively discuss political topics, then you will always be a pawn manipulated by others.

Buddy I am not sure what translation tool you used to translate and read my comment, though you have all the right and freedom to respond in anyway, however, respectfully, your lecture is appreciated but not needed.

I will maintain, Russia will act responsibly, afghanistan needs to rise and take care of its populace and China holds little to no leverage and has no experience solving these regional problems on its own, so it will be better if you listen (which I am sure Chinese state does) to more experienced friends.

And I do not appreciate this comment at all, I will ignore it but in future do not try using condescending tone while addressing Pakistanis. You have a good day a head.

Many times, I'm unsure how to deal with the behavior of some Pakistani friends, like you.

 

[the vicious kind]

If the Afghans think importing a few Russian SAM systems will deter PAF strikes, they are in for a surprise. Even Russia’s vast air defence network of S400s, S300s, Buks and Pantsirs has failed to completely stop Ukrainian drones and cruise missiles.

Ukrainian forces have repeatedly struck and damaged Russian S400 batteries and Pantsir systems despite one of the densest AD networks in the world. Modern air warfare is far more complicated than simply buying a few SAM systems.

 

[KingQamaR]

Personally I do not.

I had already said in my first post "Russia will act responsibly". At some stage, Afghanistan will need to upgrade its defenses, have a regular army, functional government and country. Our only contention with them, is their support for terrorist organizations, apart from that Pakistan doesn't have any claim on their land and is strong enough to defend its own territorial boundaries. Peaceful prosperous wise Afghanistan is in our interest.

Taliban are a bunch of crazy people with American weapons attacking their neighbours with it . Tajikistan is Russian territory manned by Russian soldiers has been attacked many times by Kabul and now a responsible Russian state is willing to offer Taliban advanced weaponry what could possibly go wrong?

 

[I*R*A]

Taliban are a bunch of crazy people with American weapons attacking their neighbours with it . Tajikistan is Russian territory manned by Russian soldiers has been attacked many times by Kabul and now a responsible Russian state is willing to offer Taliban advanced weaponry what could possibly go wrong?

May be I need to further expand, when I say "responsibly", I mean Russia is not going to hand over anything of significance or any advanced weapon system to a militia. I thought this is well understood given the situation. For Pakistan it is more of a matter of taking note, observing, exercising caution than concern.

Afghanistan has many issues to deal with, getting trained on S400 system doesn't help in solving those problems. No country neighboring afghanistan would like TTA militia to possess advanced weapon systems.

 

[Goenitz]

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here u go

Good listen. The last part on Iran and foreign policy was special.

 

[KingQamaR]

May be I need to further expand, when I say "responsibly", I mean Russia is not going to hand over anything of significance or any advanced weapon system to a militia. I thought this is well understood given the situation. For Pakistan it is more of a matter of taking note, observing, exercising caution than concern.

Afghanistan has many issues to deal with, getting trained on S400 system doesn't help in solving those problems. No country neighboring afghanistan would like TTA militia to possess advanced weapon systems.

So Russia is working with Taliban now nothing to worry about! Are you sure.. The mere presence of Russian MANPADS with Taliban be the most terrifying thing for Pakistani Helicopter pilots . These f*kin MANPADs can shut down airfields if one is near by.

 

[I*R*A]

So Russia is working with Taliban now nothing to worry about! Are you sure.. The mere presence of Russian MANPADS with Taliban be the most terrifying thing for Pakistani Helicopter pilots . These f*kin MANPADs can shut down airfields if one is near by.

Okay let us suppose, Russia does sell or provide them with the manpads, and suppose they share those with TTP and TTP Godforbid manages a successful terrorist hit ... what will happen after that?

I haven't seen anything yet where Pakistan at state level has shown concern or raised this issue with Russians. Nobody is giving TTA something that will result in embarrassment later for the supplier. If this was this easy, Hamas would have man pads, Kashmir freedom fighters would have them.

We do not control, who Russia chooses to work with. All we can do is have our own relations with them, where our concerns matter more for them than any rag tag militia.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

I heard they need afghans as foot soldiers?

I was unable to find relevant information.

I found some news that may be related to this matter.

1. France detained an oil tanker in the Pacific that departed from Russia. Macron said that this operation was carried out with the support of multiple partner countries, including the United Kingdom.

2. The European Union is preparing to cap the maximum price of Russian oil.

3. The European Union is preparing to set up refugee resettlement sites abroad. Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan have been listed as candidate locations.

4. On May 28, Putin visited Kazakhstan.



My guess is: European countries are preparing for a larger-scale conflict with Russia. The main purpose of Russia's talks with Afghanistan is to hope that Afghanistan remains stable, preventing war or chaos from occurring to Russia's south.

Russia's most important current concern is the Russia-Ukraine conflict. If war or chaos occurs to Russia's south, Russia would need to deploy a large number of troops there. Then the forces deployed in Belarus and on Russia's western side would change, which would be beneficial for Europe and Ukraine and could create an opportunity for Ukraine to launch an offensive.

 

[PashtunAfghan]

Rather than spending money on toys, Afghanistan needs to make education a priority and joint ventures with friendly countries like Iran/Russia and India to learn from their expertise. Afghanistan in return can give them access to minerals and it's geo strategic position.
Importing toys in the short term is acceptable but it shouldn't be a long term strategy.

 

[Corax]

Rather than spending money on toys, Afghanistan needs to make education a priority and joint ventures with friendly countries like Iran/Russia and India to learn from their expertise. Afghanistan in return can give them access to minerals and it's geo strategic position.
Importing toys in the short term is acceptable but it shouldn't be a long term strategy.

Good luck with that with your genocidal medieval regime that thinks anything outside of theocracy is the work of the devil.

 

[I*R*A]

Good luck with that with your genocidal medieval regime that thinks anything outside of theocracy is the work of the devil.

They are already listening to the advice of their friendly brotherly country india and learning from their expertise. Not a single "friendly" country he mentioned in his post gives two hoots about the sad state of common afghan.

He mentioned Russia (which in the past has invaded, raped and destroyed afghanistan), Iran (which has treated afghan refugees like vermin and will support only one particular school of thought), india (these idiots do not even realize that india is not a friend of Muslims in india but somehow it is their friend). I understand why he has problems mentioning Pakistan (which by the way has done far more than all the countries combined in the region for them), but I don't understand why he skipped China.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Russian crew members won't be Pakistan's responsibility, they know what they're getting involved in

NOt even hit or it could still be or could be not- followup response is very funny.

 

[PashtunAfghan]

Good luck with that with your genocidal medieval regime that thinks anything outside of theocracy is the work of the devil.

Religion is a means to an end. It's the only thing that can unite all the different ethnic groups of Afghanistan. Same as Shia Islam is used by Iran to project power in the middle east. We know this game too well