Ali_Baba
VIP Member
I am sure you will update all here, when something changes on that front !
Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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I am sure you will update all here, when something changes on that front !
BananaRepublic
Trusted Member
By Jove!
He finally gets it!
That’s why we called the war outcome very early.
Whilst you wanted to wait and see
USA cannot win because Muslims aren’t turning on each other.
Russia cannot win because Western Europeans will prop up Ukraine forever.
Yasser76
Elite Member
Yeah, genuinely hard to think if it is worth wasting our time. Pay a compliment to Iran Air's past and how it can transform for the future and then end up debating with some clown about how it was not the greatest ever airline 50 years ago.....
Yasser76
Elite Member
Alright kids, let's gather 'round. Grandpa AZ has something to share.
I tried to be neutral in how the following question was asked of ChatGPT:
In the 1970s, how did Iran Air compare with Pakistan International airlines in terms of service, quality, and reliability?
A reasonably fair and neutral question, right?
Answer:
In the 1970s, both Iran Air and Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) were considered strong, internationally competitive flag carriers, but they had different strengths and slightly different global reputations.
A good way to compare them is across service, comfort, and reliability in that era.
1. Overall global standing (1970s context)
Iran Air
- Rapidly rising “modernization success story”
- Often described as one of the fastest-growing and best-managed airlines globally in the 1970s
- By the mid–late 1970s:
- Among the safest airlines in the world (top tier alongside Qantas)
- Highly profitable and professionally run
PIA
- Already a prestige carrier in the 1960s and early 1970s
- Known as an innovator in passenger service
- Early adopter of long-haul jets and widebodies
- Strong international presence (Europe, North America, Asia)
- Reputation peaked slightly earlier than Iran Air’s “golden era”
2. Reliability (punctuality, safety, operational consistency)
Iran Air (stronger in the late 1970s)
- Extremely strong safety record (among the best globally)
- Highly centralized, professionally managed under Ali-Mohammad Khademi
- Considered very reliable operationally for long-haul routes
- Ranked near the top globally in safety metrics of the era
PIA (strong but more variable)
Verdict (reliability):
- Also had a solid safety and operational record in the 1970s
- Known for pioneering long-haul operations (e.g., early 747 use, long-range routes)
- However:
- More exposure to political and organizational fluctuations
- Slightly less consistent operational discipline compared with Iran Air’s peak-era management style
- Slight edge → Iran Air (late 1970s)
- But both were well above global average
3. Service quality (cabin experience, hospitality, consistency)
PIA (generally stronger in “passenger experience” reputation)
PIA in its peak era was famous for:
- Strong hospitality culture
- Early innovations in passenger service (often credited with pioneering in-flight entertainment concepts in the region)
- A “friendly, warm” service reputation that stood out internationally
Iran Air
Verdict (service):
- More formal, standardized service style
- High-quality catering (especially Persian cuisine on international routes)
- But less globally known for “luxury service personality”
- Crew professionalism high, but not as “iconic” as Gulf-style hospitality that came later
- Slight edge → PIA
- Iran Air = more formal excellence
- PIA = more memorable hospitality experience
4. Comfort and fleet quality
Iran Air (late 1970s advantage in modernization)
- Very modern fleet for the time:
- Boeing 747 variants
- Airbus A300 (introduced late 1970s)
- Long-haul nonstop capability (e.g., Tehran–New York)
- Designed as a hub-style global connector airline
PIA
Verdict (comfort/fleet):
- Also modern and prestigious:
- Early Boeing 747 operator
- DC-10 and widebody long-haul capability
- Strong long-range network for its size
- Slight edge → Iran Air (late 1970s modernization wave)
- But both were top-tier globally at the time
5. Direct comparison summary
Category Iran Air (1970s) PIA (1970s) Safety / reliability Very high (top global tier)
High Operational consistency Strong, highly structured Strong but more variable Passenger service Formal, high quality More personable, highly regarded Fleet modernity (late 70s) Very strong (A300, 747SP, etc.) Strong (747, DC-10) Global reputation peak Late 1970s Early–mid 1970s In the 1970s:
Final takeaway
- Iran Air = more professionally run, highly reliable, and rapidly modernizing toward global hub-carrier status
- PIA = more service-oriented, innovative in passenger experience, and already globally respected earlier in the decade
Simple way to remember it:
- Iran Air = operational excellence + rapid modernization
- PIA = hospitality + early global prestige + innovation in passenger experience
Sure, now do Iran Air v Pan Am as our little guest was ranting about. I conceded PIA and Iran AIr had little or no different, guy was going on about "No we are better then Pan Am".....
UndercoverJIX
Elite Member
You just wait and see na man, why getting workedup.......stop being a mian mitto meray payaray bhai..
Let others discuss.... and you, please follow your own advice.....wait and see what happens.
If we just wait and see, then there will be no thinking, planning, strategy, discussion, debate.......we will be only commenting on the past events..... which will be useless....same like majority of your posts.
So, please stop repeating yourself over and over, normal people dont do that.
I hope, I did not offend you or sound disrespectful..... was not the intention....I apologize for any and everything.
BananaRepublic
Trusted Member
AIPAC has no where to go.
Next Dem candidate will be solidly anti Israel.
Vance is the best they’ll get.
VCheng
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
Of course. Please carry on as you wish. And so will I.
The key is going to be the next 60 days set in motion by the MoU, which is a great foundation to build upon. I suspect there were many behind-the-scenes commitments made by both sides to be followed up with the procedures and mechanisms to be finalized during this time period.
Yes, it will be quite interesting and eventful, these next 60 days.
Meengla
Elite Member
Politicians are globally opportunists. So what's new in that?
But Vance was clear against any war on Iran before he became the VP and has kept quiet about supporting the war beyond what a VP almost always supporting his/her President's actions. But now Vance is sniffing a chance to popularity because stalwarts in the MAGA crowd like Tucker, MTG, Megyn Kelly (and maybe even Steve Bannon) have turned their backs on Israel.
Remember what I have always said in this forum: America is after all a democracy where public opinion can't be ignore beyond a point. This war on Iran was very unpopular and so the politicians are piggybacking on the anti war sentiments.
Yasser76
Elite Member
I disagree, I think he is genuonely America First, you can tell how he is bringing up US aid and Israel's global isolation, when was the last time a US Prez or VP said the quiet part out so loud?
We may finally be seeing the start of the US-Israel split, we all knew this day would come.
Meengla
Elite Member
I saw Reza Pahlavi in a video yesterday. He seemed dejected and simply said the Iranians will continue their struggle.
PS. One of my cousins in Karachi was named 'Raza' and his sister 'Farah'! Born in the 60s. I wonder if they were inspired names!
BananaRepublic
Trusted Member
Read up on Vance’s rise.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
I don't believe in destroying historical artefacts but it doesn't make sense to destroy Reza Shah's tomb but leave Esther's tomb alone, I would not destroy either.
Yasser76
Elite Member
I have not read his autobiography to be fair, only going by what he has said publicly
AZ_HighCountry
INT'L MOD
Given his upbringing as a youth, he's done remarkably well.
He's earned his right to give an opinion.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
incredible scenes
great opportunity for Iran to play on this emerging divide now
