TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[Pioneer]

Forget about KAAN, it's impossible. Kaan is too big for ACs. Also aircraft capable aircraft needs bigger wings, and stronger structural integrity.

We just need to wait for Navalized Hürjet, as i understand it's gonna be like a brand new aircraft.

It could also be that the aircraft carrier is too small

 

[Death_Zone]

Demiroğlu Açıkladı: KAAN’ın Yerli Motor Testleri 2032’de | SavunmaSanayiST

TUSAŞ Genel Müdürü Mehmet Demiroğlu, KAAN’ın yerli motorunun testlerine 2032 civarında başlanacağını açıkladı.

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KAAN will began flight testing with TF35000 in 2032 assuming there will be no delays.

It would require 2-3 years of flight test at minimum considering they gets everything right at the first attempt.

So the earliest KAAN block 30 with indigenous engine will arrive in 2035. (Again, assuming there will be no delays)

"- Türkiye is also continuing its efforts to develop a completely domestically produced engine. Officials see 2035 and beyond as a more realistic timeframe for mass production."

CAATSA ve F-35’lerde konuşulan yol haritası

WASHINGTON-Ankara hattında bugün iki ayrı kilit bulunuyor.

www.hurriyet.com.tr

The first field trials will probably be made under a liner wing, no?

 

[Death_Zone]

KAAN weapon integration will begin with the third prototype

A hard task ! need some years.

 

[Flotilla]

With the necessary modifications in place, it is technically possible for the KAAN Fighter Jet to take off from 300 m MUGEM Aircraft Carrier

Wouldn't be just better build first a two seat KAAN just to improve their capability as electronic attack fighter (like Su34 or EF18) and capability to operate wingmans?.

IMO manned aircrafts for carriers are being slowly outdated. UCAVs and smallers ships of LHDs size can make 80% of a manned aircraft embarked.
The other 20% can be achieved with very long range missiles, cruise, ballistics both hypersonics.

 

[Oublious]

Back then, Pakistan reportedly transferred technologies related to the JF-17 Thunder, jointly developed by China and Pakistan, to Türkiye, providing significant support for the development of Türkiye’s aerospace industry. This reportedly caused dissatisfaction in China and led China to restrict and delay the delivery of J-35 fighter jets to Pakistan.

If that is indeed the case, Pakistan should continue sharing relevant J-10C technologies with Türkiye, further supporting the aerospace industry of its fellow Muslim brotherly nation and contributing to the broader Muslim world.

If that was the case why did Pakistan not started ther own project, when you spread bs make it like it is acceptable.

 

[Watandar]

Pakistan should abandon the J‑35. Since both Pakistan and Turkey are Muslim‑majority countries, it should support its brother‑nation and instead seek to procure the Kaan fighter jet.

The Kaan is not available for sale or export and won't for another 10-15 years.

 

[hyperman]

MUGEM Aircraft Carrier is 300 m , KAAN can take off from ski jump with STOBAR configuration

What Türkiye needs to do is develop an unmanned tanker Aircraft similar to the American MQ-25 Stingray .... Turkiye can do it from ANKA-3

A refueling probe can be added to the nose section of the navalized KAAN, concealed within the fuselage. This probe only emerges when in air refueling is required

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Air refueling completely replenishes the fuel deficit that KAAN left behind when taking off from the Aircraft Carrier. Thanks to this, KAAN achieves 100% operational radius and flight endurance for hours, as if it had taken off from land with full fuel

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Aircraft cannot fly off the deck of the Russian carriers in a full load and can't launch AWACS and ELINT to coordinate air battles. Air Logistic without transport is also complicated.

Its going to be a carrier thats not really going to be as effective as a Flattop Catapult carrier like USS Kitty Hawk, which wasn't nuclear and had catapults. But lets see, this is more long term stuff. When Turkey has bridged the Nuclear gap, it could be something pursued.

 

[hyperman]

The Kaan is not available for sale or export and won't for another 10-15 years.

This is not true. Indonesia already signed an export contract. Deliveries will be in the 2030s.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

It doesn't have to be EMALS, you can build steam catapults.

but if one is building proper Aircraft carriers, CATOBAR is a must, whether the french design or the Chinese design or the US design. You cannot launch aircraft with significant munitions off a STOBAR carrier, its one of the failures of the Russian design, the Su-33 could not launch with its full load, and only light aircraft could be used. its a severe limitation of sorties and the amount of air power one can put on.

I think Turkey can go down the French route, and long term should pursue that.

The French catapult relies on the US technology in both steam and EMALS.

And the US AC EMALS was designed for the nuclear supercarrier, and it relies on the flying wheel as the energy storage.

China's DC EMALS is suitable for both conventional and nuclear, but it relies on the gas turbine.

Turkey can go to the route for the 60,000 - 70,000 tons gas turbine powered carrier with the DC EMALS.

 

[hyperman]

The French catapult relies on the US technology in both steam and EMALS.

And the US AC EMALS was designed for the nuclear supercarrier, and it relies on the flying wheel as the energy storage.

China's DC EMALS is suitable for both conventional and nuclear, but it relies on the gas turbine.

Turkey can go to the route for the 60,000 - 70,000 tons gas turbine powered carrier with the DC EMALS.

Steam Catapults can be used on Conventional carriers as well the USS Kitty Hawk(retired in 2009) was conventionally powered and used steam catapults. Its easier with Nuclear b/c it already creates steam but its not a necessity. Though MMM-E is right, EMALS would be the right choice, but it would cost money. Lets see. The design for the current carrier is already frozen as Conventional STOBAR, perhaps the one that comes after will use a Nuclear reactor with EMALS.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Steam Catapults can be used on Conventional carriers as well the USS Kitty Hawk(retired in 2009) was conventionally powered and used steam catapults. Its easier with Nuclear b/c it already creates steam but its not a necessity. Though MMM-E is right, EMALS would be the right choice, but it would cost money. Lets see. The design for the current carrier is already frozen as Conventional STOBAR, perhaps the one that comes after will use a Nuclear reactor with EMALS.

The steam catapult needs to be paired with conventional carrier with boilers or nuclear powered carrier, not very flexible.

The AC EMALS from the US can only be paired with nuclear powered carrier.

The DC EMALS from China can be paired with both gas turbine conventional carrier or nuclear powered carrier.

However, the conventional carrier only carry 1-2 EMALS catapults at max, if you want to go 3-4 EMALS catapults, the nuclear powered carrier would be the optimal choice.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Wouldn't be just better build first a two seat KAAN just to improve their capability as electronic attack fighter (like Su34 or EF18) and capability to operate wingmans?.

IMO manned aircrafts for carriers are being slowly outdated. UCAVs and smallers ships of LHDs size can make 80% of a manned aircraft embarked.
The other 20% can be achieved with very long range missiles, cruise, ballistics both hypersonics.

The twin-seat version should be usually developed based on the optimization of the single-seat version, but the single-seat version to be deployed and maturely tested as the pre-condition.

The J-20S was developed after the deployment of the regular J-20, and Russia also develops the SU-57D after the development of the single-seat SU-57.

BTW, I think more middle powers could deploy more LHD like the Type 076 that can carry 1-2 EMALS catapults, and it can launch the UAV like the GJ-21 that can launch both a2a missiles or precision-guided munitions.

 

[hyperman]

The AC EMALS from the US can only be paired with nuclear powered carrier.

That has more to do with US aircraft carriers already being nuclear, not a matter of type of tech. Both DC and AC can be used in nuclear and nonnuclear solutions. Thought obviously its more efficient with a nuclear reactor.

 

[MMM-E]

Aircraft cannot fly off the deck of the Russian carriers in a full load and can't launch AWACS and ELINT to coordinate air battles. Air Logistic without transport is also complicated.

What about full load ?
KAAN is a stealth Platform ... KAAN to carry only air to air Missiles in internal weapon bays ... no need beast mode

KAAN does not take on much fuel during takeoff; it can reach full capacity by refueling in the air

Is this a problem for Turkiye ? No. We can build an unmanned air refueling tanker from the ANKA-3

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KAAN has a great AESA Radar ( MURAD-600A ) with stealth capability

Who can stand against KAAN ? The RAFALE-M on the Indian Aircraft Carrier ?

Also , We can use Helicopter for AEWC role as like British

and our CH-47F heavy Helicopters can be used for air logistic - transport


btw , We can not get more F-110 Engines for navalized KAANs
If we acquire GE F-414s and develop a twin-engine version of the HURJET, it would serve our purpose ... a stealth-capable mini-KAAN

The US won't give us EMALS either.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

That has more to do with US aircraft carriers already being nuclear, not a matter of type of tech. Both DC and AC can be used in nuclear and nonnuclear solutions. Thought obviously its more efficient with a nuclear reactor.

Because of the efficiency, any aircraft carrier with the tonnage above 80,000 tons would be better off with the nuclear propulsion as it would only need to store the aviation fuel that could leave much more space for aircrafts and ammunition.

The complexity of building a nuclear supercarrier above 80,000 tons with EMALS is simply staggering.

Otherwise, Donald Trump wouldn't be pissed off at the performance of the USS Gerald Ford.