‘I want to cry’: Afghan medical students in Pakistan face expulsion fear

You are absolutely correct.
Therefore - regardless of the absolute corruption by the establishment and its cronies - The Afghans are still a real problem for Pakistan and have at the end from a pure ledger balance perspective caused more damage to Pakistan and therefore need to be returned to their homeland to fix their own country.

There is simply ZERO return on goodwill that has ever been gained from them due to various factors including the missteps by the establishment of Pakistan - but that is not costs that the people of Pakistan should have to endure.

Therefore their return to their country is as much a movement against terrorism and exploitation of a corrupt system as it is a Pakistani protest against the rotten system created and sustained by the elite capture of Pakistan.
 
The debate about who is “anti‑Pakistan” outside our borders misses the real point. The deeper tragedy is what Pakistan’s own establishment has done to its people over decades. Our wounds are not primarily inflicted from the outside, they are self‑inflicted, through short‑term thinking, political engineering, and a refusal to build a stable, dignified future for ordinary citizens.

For forty years, Pakistan has been governed like a crisis factory. Instead of long-term planning, we got improvisation. Instead of institutions, we got proxies. Instead of stability, we got manufactured chaos because chaos keeps certain actors relevant. And while the powerful played their games, the public paid the price.

History Has Seen This Before (that’s why it’s important to remember history)

In ancient Rome, the elite lived in luxury while the plebeians struggled for bread. The ruling class spent lavishly on villas and banquets, while the lower classes survived on grain handouts but not in Pakistan. Rome didn’t fall because of foreign enemies alone, it fell because its own leaders hollowed out the state from within.

Pakistan today mirrors that pattern. Our elite live like Roman patricians, insulated from the suffering around them, while ordinary families fight for basic staples like flour, rice, and daal.

India’s caste system offers another painful parallel. For centuries, lower castes were denied opportunity, mobility, and dignity. Their poverty wasn’t accidental, it was engineered. Pakistan has recreated a similar dynamic, not through caste, but through economic and political structures that keep the powerful powerful and the poor permanently struggling.

The World Sees What Our Leaders Pretend Not to See

IMF, Europe, and China are not blind. They see the money laundering. They see the corruption. They see politicians spending money like water, money received through kickbacks and offshore channels, while the awam cannot afford basic food. They see a country surviving on borrowed money, remittances, petroleum levies, and emergency bailouts.

When a nation’s economy stands on such fragile pillars, it cannot have an independent foreign policy. It becomes a client state, shaped by lenders who understand exactly how its elite operate.
In my opinion, Makkah pact may have some short term benefits but it will have far more consequences in long run.

What is Real Anti-Pakistan Force ?

The real threat to Pakistan isn’t Afghans claiming territory, or external narratives, or the proportion of “anti‑Pakistan” sentiment abroad. The real threat is internal decision making, decisions made by those who were supposed to protect the country but instead protected their own power.

Pakistan didn’t collapse because of enemies.
Pakistan collapsed because its rulers behaved like Roman elites and caste gatekeepers guarding privilege while sacrificing the nation.

And the human cost is unbearable, families skipping meals, children dropping out of school, elders choosing between medicine and food, young people losing hope in a country that never gave them a fair chance.

This will be my last post on this topic. There are far bigger issues in the world that deserve attention. It’s exhausting trying to reason with people who are locked into a manufactured reality or who have lived in the West for decades yet still cling to the same old feudal ways of thinking.
Appreciate your input and the time you have taken to respond. I respectfully disagree with some of your perspectives. I don't wish to derail the thread topic by talking further about Pakistan's "management problems". We can save that for another day. Regarding Afghans - kick em all out. If they learn to respect Pakistan's sovereignty and identity, by all means, they can come and visit again (and I don't deny that life saving work or disaster relief should indeed continue unhindered...even when the illiterate bastards rip the Pakistani flag off our aid transport vehicles!). But the endless gravy train for ungrateful Afghans facilitated by weak Pakistanis ends now - this is something the current government is getting right 100%.
 
Maybe you should read the history of the regain to under historical facts.

Real enemy of Pakistani people are not Afghan Nationals (public will not buy this churan), real enemy is this system and whoever is supporting it (establishment, elite class, feudal lords and corrupt poitical mafia). They are the real enemy of Pakistan and Pakistani people.
Thanks for the advice but I would request you to act on it first .

As far as your point about the system is concern it's not even valid here as issues of Afghan population in Pakistan surpass the current installed system.

Again read the history even the recent history of last few decades of Pakistan
 
Field Marshall expelled millions of innocent refugees just to pressure the Taliban, did it work ? Nopes.

So you choose Banana Republic lawlessness with no border control, good to know

Field Marshall and his genius colleagues should have thought about whether handing over a country to a terrorist militia was the right policy. When that lunatic policy predictably failed then why target refugees ???

And here the classic, what the heck are Afghans choosing for themselves

They choose Taliban 2.0 and backward policies to life itself
 
So they need proper governance and focus on their own. Great

Really, and your Avatar is of a realist?

Anyhow please be more articulate, the opposing poster created a Roman empire and destroyed it in handful amount of post. Like come up with some Porus level resistance or atleast Tipu style last salute. Don't make it like a catwalk across the Panipat. Be more dramatic like Punnu or Mahiwal.

This tragedy is enough to make me cry.
 
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Really, and your Avatar is of a realist?

Anyhow please be more articulate, the opposing poster created a Roman empire and destroyed it in handful amount of post. Like come up with some Porus level resistance or atleast Tipu style last salute. Don't make it like a catwalk across the Panipat. Be more dramatic like Punnu or Mahiwal.

This tragedy is enough to make me cry.

Very good, yes where is my grand theory traversing history and empires on why you don't have border control
 
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Very good, yes where is my grand theory traversing history and empires on why you don't have border control

Because empires need expansion like OXkiJaan.

Essentially what these people are advocating is usurping the Afghan identity in a larger Pakistani federational occupation. Kinda like a slow painful colonisation as adverse to harsher quicker solitions. Whatever it is, its happening now and no one can stop it.

Human rights question is even if an arrangement can be reached to finish her degree in Kabul, will this Malala of Western Durandians(strong coffee) be safe or safer.

There should be a referendum on this, the data from it can be beneficial for our own personal growth.
 
The claim that “all Afghans are ungrateful and anti‑Pakistan” is factually incorrect, historically incomplete, and unfair to millions of Afghans who have lived peacefully, contributed economically, and maintained positive ties with Pakistan. Security concerns are real, but they don’t justify blanket judgments about an entire people.

Recently, I was invited by Afghani brother for Dinner and Pakistani retired Major sahab was also there.
Bhai, exceptions are everywhere. You are right in that not all Afghans are anti Pakistan. However, it's the overall national character that determines which nation or state is anti-Pakistan. There are many Jews even in Israel who oppose Zionist war criminals and that doesn't change Israel's anti-Muslim status or posture.

Also, it's incorrect that Afghans have contributed economically in Pakistan. Rather Afghan have brought gun, drugs, and corruption into Pakistani society. They were allowed to move free and have business anywhere in Pakistan (for a valid reason then) but that opened the floodgates of corruption in Pakistan. They started buying Pakistani national id cards and passports, smuggled weapons and drugs into Pakistan and dollars out of Pakistan. As a result, so many mafias mushroomed up in Pakistan. The enemies states are now exploiting those deeply entrenched mafias to bleed Pakistan.

Regardless of good or bad Afghans, documented entry and stay in Pakistan must be enforced. No country in world allows undocumented aliens. These aliens pose a grave national security threat to any country, including Pakistan. There is no justification to allow undocumented and unlawful Afghans to continuously stay in Pakistan.
 
Bhai, exceptions are everywhere. You are right in that not all Afghans are anti Pakistan. However, it's the overall national character that determines which nation or state is anti-Pakistan. There are many Jews even in Israel who oppose Zionist war criminals and that doesn't change Israel's anti-Muslim status or posture.

Also, it's incorrect that Afghans have contributed economically in Pakistan. Rather Afghan have brought gun, drugs, and corruption into Pakistani society. They were allowed to move free and have business anywhere in Pakistan (for a valid reason then) but that opened the floodgates of corruption in Pakistan. They started buying Pakistani national id cards and passports, smuggled weapons and drugs into Pakistan and dollars out of Pakistan. As a result, so many mafias mushroomed up in Pakistan. The enemies states are now exploiting those deeply entrenched mafias to bleed Pakistan.

Regardless of good or bad Afghans, documented entry and stay in Pakistan must be enforced. No country in world allows undocumented aliens. These aliens pose a grave national security threat to any country, including Pakistan. There is no justification to allow undocumented and unlawful Afghans to continuously stay in Pakistan.


As I said before that undocumented entry is unacceptable no sovereign state allows it. But the Afghan issue didn’t appear out of thin air. It began with the Soviet war, when Pakistan opened its borders without any long‑term plan. The real failure wasn’t Afghans, it was Pakistan’s own establishment, elite class, feudal lords, and corrupt political mafia who never built a system to manage refugees, regulate borders, or protect national interests.

1. Afghanistan had no significant role in Pakistan’s politics or security before 1979. The crisis began when Pakistan under geopolitical pressure opened its borders completely. Millions entered without documentation, vetting, or settlement planning.

This wasn’t Afghan strategy. This was Pakistani state blindness.

2. Undocumented stay is unacceptable. But Pakistan never created:
  • refugee cards,
  • settlement zones,
  • long‑term integration plans,
  • or provincial coordination.
Instead of settling refugees in South Punjab or Interior Sindh, the state allowed unregulated dispersal across the country. That’s not Afghan wrongdoing, that’s Pakistani misgovernance.

3. Sindh government marginalized Bengali speaking Pakistanis in Karachi by denying NICs. If the state can’t even document its own citizens, how can it manage millions of refugees?


This shows the problem is systemic, not ethnic.

4. Saying “overall national character determines hostility” is emotionally satisfying but strategically weak.States behave based on interests, not character.Israel’s policies don’t define every Jew.Afghanistan’s instability doesn’t define every Afghan.

Pakistan must act like a state, not judge entire populations.

5. Yes, weapons, drugs, and corruption increased but why? Because Pakistan:

  • allowed undocumented movement,
  • allowed illegal businesses,
  • allowed ID card fraud,
  • allowed border smuggling.
Criminal networks thrive only when the state is weak. Blaming Afghans alone ignores the fact that Pakistani officials, politicians, and mafias facilitated and profited from these networks.

The enemy exploited Pakistan’s internal rot, not Afghan nationality.

6. No country allows undocumented aliens. Pakistan must enforce:

  • documented entry,
  • legal stay,
  • strict vetting,
  • deportation of illegal entrants.
But enforcement requires a functioning state, not emotional generalizations.

Don't think that if you kick out all Afghans that Drug issue will be resolved.....
Pakistani establishment are the biggest beneficiary of Drug Business and illegal smuggling. Over 2.8 billion liters of Iranian petrol and diesel are smuggled into Pakistan annually, worth more than $1 billion, causing an estimated $800 million–$820 million loss in tax revenue and undermining local fuel markets. Who handles that? Read my previous posts as I have explained all of that in details.
 

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