PAF to Convert Bombardier Global 6000 into a SOJ Electronic Warfare Platform in Cooperation With Turkey's TAI

Shahpar, Burraq, Jasoos. Uqab, are local and in use. Read the eventuality part or not in previous post ?
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War creates sanctions and all of that can blocked unless you have a reliable supplier.
 
Depending on funds they might just get a lite version of HAVASOJ and everyone will get kudos for a successful project.
Question PAF have to ask, is it worth to invest into standoff jamming? What I can see in images, HAVA-SOJ is carrying a single jammer pod below rudder. What they trying to achieve by standoff jamming? Furthur, standoff jamming or escort jamming is quite hard to work against new-gen GaN based AESA radars which are equipped with dedicated SLC/SLB capable to work in heavy EW environments.
Isnt it far better option would be to go for HBJ,MBJ and LBJ on J-10?

Furthur, from images I can see HAVA-SOJ is eqipped SAR pod, and most likely coming with GMTI, most likely for managing ground battles.

Why combining two different mission payloads into a single aircraft? What I can deduce is, primary mission of HAVA SOJ is not at all jamming, or managing OCA sweeps.

Rather managing ground battles, in contested airspace, jamming is secondary mission.
 
Question PAF have to ask, is it worth to invest into standoff jamming? What I can see in images, HAVA-SOJ is carrying a single jammer pod below rudder. What they trying to achieve by standoff jamming? Furthur, standoff jamming or escort jamming is quite hard to work against new-gen GaN based AESA radars which are equipped with dedicated SLC/SLB capable to work in heavy EW environments.
Isnt it far better option would be to go for HBJ,MBJ and LBJ on J-10?

Furthur, from images I can see HAVA-SOJ is eqipped SAR pod, and most likely coming with GMTI, most likely for managing ground battles.

Why combining two different mission payloads into a single aircraft? What I can deduce is, primary mission of HAVA SOJ is not at all jamming, or managing OCA sweeps.

Rather managing ground battles, in contested airspace, jamming is secondary mission.
My best take on this is that they want to ensure the continuation of the existing doctrine/process around the Falcon 20 squadron.

Standoff jamming has it’s uses and has been effective recently even with the generally outdated equipment on the Falcons but you are correct that the priority for offense ops should be a fighter EW escort.
 
Furthur, standoff jamming or escort jamming is quite hard to work against new-gen GaN based AESA radars which are equipped with dedicated SLC/SLB capable to work in heavy EW environments.
Actually its not hard.

The increased lethal range of air defence systems means that standoff jamming needs to work over longer distances. Yes, measures have developed that counter the effects of stand off jamming using advanced EP measures: technically adapting to reduce side lobes that are vulnerable to EA; using digital processors that thwart certain forms of jamming; electronically steering arrays; and using variable power output that increases the effect of radiated power. However, SOJ counters it by increasing the jamming output, using more focused beams for jamming, and RPAS that can be placed in higher threat areas, which PAF tends to achieve using from safe distances on a bigger aircraft that can carry more electronics and systems.
 
Why combining two different mission payloads into a single aircraft? What I can deduce is, primary mission of HAVA SOJ is not at all jamming, or managing OCA sweeps.
What do you think happened to Abhi's Mig-21 losing radio contact with his tower and his radar not showing much ?

The same is going to happen to ground based radars when PAF fighters operate CAPs along the border since SOJ will thwart S-400 radar's threat as well as when PAF aircrafts will be penetrating into IAF airspace.

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Rather managing ground battles, in contested airspace, jamming is secondary mission.
Any bright ideas how else should PAF fighters contest IAF in its skies in the absence of SOJ backing them up when S-400 threat looms in every mission that PAF undertakes ?

You think SPJs will be enough against S-440 ?
 
Any bright ideas how else should PAF fighters contest IAF in its skies in the absence of SOJ backing them up when S-400 threat looms in every mission that PAF undertakes ?

You think SPJs will be enough against S-440 ?
One emerging idea in the industry is to integrate high-speed decoy UAVs (based on target drones) with SPJs so that they can act as decoy jammers and spoofers. Besides interfering with enemy SAM radars, these decoys may even help expose their locations, enabling land-based systems (like Fatah-series) and SOW-equipped aircraft to neutralize them. The decoys can also turn into loitering munitions and engage those targets themselves.

That said, any offensive PAF element will comprise of a family of systems with a LO fighter at its center (J-31) supported by UCAVs, decoy UAVs, a high-powered SOJ, and an AEW&C with very long radar coverage range.
 
One emerging idea in the industry is to integrate high-speed decoy UAVs (based on target drones) with SPJs so that they can act as decoy jammers and spoofers. Besides interfering with enemy SAM radars, these decoys may even help expose their locations, enabling land-based systems (like Fatah-series) and SOW-equipped aircraft to neutralize them. The decoys can also turn into loitering munitions and engage those targets themselves.

That said, any offensive PAF element will comprise of a family of systems with a LO fighter at its center (J-31) supported by UCAVs, decoy UAVs, a high-powered SOJ, and an AEW&C with very long radar coverage range.
Agreed
 
Question PAF have to ask, is it worth to invest into standoff jamming? What I can see in images, HAVA-SOJ is carrying a single jammer pod below rudder. What they trying to achieve by standoff jamming? Furthur, standoff jamming or escort jamming is quite hard to work against new-gen GaN based AESA radars which are equipped with dedicated SLC/SLB capable to work in heavy EW environments.
Isnt it far better option would be to go for HBJ,MBJ and LBJ on J-10?

Furthur, from images I can see HAVA-SOJ is eqipped SAR pod, and most likely coming with GMTI, most likely for managing ground battles.

Why combining two different mission payloads into a single aircraft? What I can deduce is, primary mission of HAVA SOJ is not at all jamming, or managing OCA sweeps.

Rather managing ground battles, in contested airspace, jamming is secondary mission.
This is wrong,

HavaSoj is PURELY a standoff jammer.

"What they trying to achieve by standoff jamming"

Well, the key aspect of it is in the name, standoff, i.e, staying well clear of adversary AD and missile capability, providing wide area suppression of adversary electronics.

"Furthur, standoff jamming or escort jamming is quite hard to work against new-gen GaN based AESA radars which are equipped with dedicated SLC/SLB capable to work in heavy EW environments"

This is a pretty poor argument, it comes back down to the classic flawed argument of oh, ATGM's exist, now tanks are useless. Guns exist, now soldiers are useless. Missiles exist, planes are useless. This is a flawed argument, these systems are designed with a reference threat in mind, the reference threat for a system, being designed in this age, is literally exactly that, modern AESA fighter radars, Turkey's primary adversary, Greece, being equipped with SABR's and APG-83s, some of the most advanced radars out there- you think they're just throwing money at development of a system for no reason lol? The idea that modern radars have made Jammer's obsolete is silly- AESA radars, whether GaN or GaA, old or new, are inherently, by design, more resistant to ECM, not invincible to such attacks.

"Isnt it far better option would be to go for HBJ,MBJ and LBJ on J-10?"

How is this a far better option? You have a single pilot, now flying the A/C, defending against adversary attack because he has to be closer to the action, while also actually operating your jamming platform, that too, at lesser ranges, lesser loiter time, while also limited by the physical constraints of the array too(most podded solutions do not offer 360 degree coverage.)

"Furthur, from images I can see HAVA-SOJ is eqipped SAR pod, and most likely coming with GMTI, most likely for managing ground battles."

How have you seen this lol, which image has shown you a "SAR Pod".
You took Raytheon's sentinel and assumed that because HavaSoj is using the same fairings and airframe modifications that it is housing the same sensors. No it is not, HavaSoj is purely a standoff jammer, within those fairings are the arrays and comms antennae, no SAR, etc. Hensholdt also is using the same fairings and airframe design for their Kalaetron SOJ solution for the Global 6000.

"Why combining two different mission payloads into a single aircraft? What I can deduce is, primary mission of HAVA SOJ is not at all jamming, or managing OCA sweeps.

Rather managing ground battles, in contested airspace, jamming is secondary mission."

Your deduction is based on your lack of accurate research.

"Question PAF have to ask, is it worth to invest into standoff jamming?"

Certainly, which is why they are doing it. Not only them, many others are also pursuing more modern standoff jammer platforms.

No fighter jet engine, barring the F-35's can likely produce the kind of output needed to provide serious power to numerous arrays. No single pilot brings the kind of analysis and C&C that a dedicated EWO can bring, which is why the HavaSoj and other jammers have numerous EWO's, because theyre specialists in their role, sniffing out radars, emissions, comms, datalinks, whatever it may be, because as you said, as emitters become harder to locate, you now need personnel who are specifically trained on sniffing out those emitters which are hiding behind the noise floor for example, or whatever it may be.

HavaSoj will provide exactly that, specialists in their roles, the dedicated equipment needed to locate and nullify those emissions, while providing greater crew comfort, on station time, safety from adversary attack, and also alot more power and systems to make the correct decisions.

HavaSoj will provide the fighters its escorting, full spectrum coverage, while also being able to provide high power escort jamming to aircraft operating under its safety, from 3/4 directions (i am not aware of any front facing arrays)- operating just like erieye (flying patterns which ensure consistent coverage)
 
What do you think happened to Abhi's Mig-21 losing radio contact with his tower and his radar not showing much ?

The same is going to happen to ground based radars when PAF fighters operate CAPs along the border since SOJ will thwart S-400 radar's threat as well as when PAF aircrafts will be penetrating into IAF airspace.

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Firstly I dont know why you getting triggered, making 6 replies?

Furthur, as you mentioned, communications were jammed of MiG-21 in VHF/UHF band. Thats not standoff jamming or escort jamming, its COMJAM, which is far easier to achieve if you are not equipped with SDR with frequency hopping.

Even I am unable to find any kind of standoff jammer pod or escort jamming pod on DA-20.
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This is similar to payload equipped on IAF's Heron and upcoming dedicated SCA (SIGINT COMJAM AIRCRAFT) based on A319.
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It be much harder to jam comms of IAF's fighter which now getting equipped with BNET SDR and L-band datalink.

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L-band ODL on upgraded MKI

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L-band antenna for Tejas Mk1A and MKI UPG


In conclusion, COMJAM and standoff jamming is entirely different ballgame, one is used for OCA sweeps and other for jamming comms.

Any bright ideas how else should PAF fighters contest IAF in its skies in the absence of SOJ backing them up when S-400 threat looms in every mission that PAF undertakes ?

You think SPJs will be enough against S-440 ?

No, SPJ is not going to be enough for ground radars, which most work in S-band. And even a wide band HBJ only can jam upto C-band.

Thats why even IAF is going for LBJ on Rafale in ISA upgrade, and LRDE is developing a pod for LCA Mk2 and MKI UPG for OCA sweeps.
 

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