PAF to Convert Bombardier Global 6000 into a SOJ Electronic Warfare Platform in Cooperation With Turkey's TAI

[Ak01]

The ac is not even at the trial stage let alone entered service with the Turkish AF n here we are talking about it entering service with PAF.

its not particularly far fetched.

The PAF has multiple times confirmed the g6000 is for oecm duties, literally many times- what they didnt specify was how itll get there. There is no other soj setup for the g6000 platform, even TAI is using prexisting modifications, all they said was TAI will probably do the conversion which makes sense, but it is likely that itll be a havasoj derived system

 

[Reichmarshal]

its not particularly far fetched.

The PAF has multiple times confirmed the g6000 is for oecm duties, literally many times- what they didnt specify was how itll get there. There is no other soj setup for the g6000 platform, even TAI is using prexisting modifications, all they said was TAI will probably do the conversion which makes sense, but it is likely that itll be a havasoj derived system

Did the PAF say that they will install the Turkish sys on its G 6000 ?

Our military personal go every where n r pictured with military hardware from around the world...n we Pakistanis r a polite bunch n don't want to offend any one.
But it certainly does not mean we want to buy it all.

It could be a home grown solution for all we know it.
Like some postered have hinted

 

[Ak01]

Did the PAF say that they will install the Turkish sys on its G 6000 ?

Our military personal go every where n r pictured with military hardware from around the world...n we Pakistanis r a polite bunch n don't want to offend any one.
But it certainly does not mean we want to buy it all.

It could be a home grown solution for all we know it.
Like some postered have hinted

"all they said was TAI will probably do the conversion which makes sense"


homegrown system is a far fetched delusion lol, i follow all radar related programs very, very closely

 

[Reichmarshal]

"all they said was TAI will probably do the conversion which makes sense"


homegrown system is a far fetched delusion lol, i follow all radar related programs very, very closely

Oh phai how more explicitly do u want me to tell u that their will be not Turk sys on this current G6000.

If a home grown sys does eventually finds it way in the G 6000 then that certainly does not mean the kamra has become some super dooper org which has started producing sub sys to be installed on the this ac......for that matter even the Turk company advertising this sys is sources parts from foreign companies.....or for that matter no once produces all the components inhouse.

It simply means that kamra has reached a level of know how, expertise n experience where they can do exactly wt all others r doing.....simple n effective.

Don't be surprised when in a few years kamra too would be advertising its own solution for eyes in the sky

 

[MMM-E]

for that matter even the Turk company advertising this sys is sources parts from foreign companies.....or for that matter no once produces all the components inhouse.

ASELSAN produce everything including chip and Gallium Nitrate (GaN) Transistors

no any critical part from foreign campanies

Don't be surprised when in a few years kamra too would be advertising its own solution for eyes in the sky

except Turkiye , In Islamic World nobody can develop these technologies now
and except Turkiye , Nobody can give these technologies to Pakistan in the World


USA and Europe dont give these technologies and critical parts to even NATO member Turkiye

They never will give these technologies to Pakistan


Even China buys some critical technologies from Israel including Quantum Well photo detectors
( QWİP , INGaAS , Insb , HgCdTe ) which produce by only USA , Israel , France and Turkiye ( ASELSAN )

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

ASELSAN produce everything including chip and Gallium Nitrate (GaN) Transistors

no any critical part from foreign campanies




except Turkiye , In Islamic World nobody can develop these technologies now
and except Turkiye , Nobody can give these technologies to Pakistan in the World


USA and Europe dont give these technologies and critical parts to even NATO member Turkiye

They never will give these technologies to Pakistan


Even China buys some critical technologies from Israel including Quantum Well photo detectors
( QWİP , INGaAS , Insb , HgCdTe ) which produce by only USA , Israel , France and Turkiye ( ASELSAN )

IMO Pakistan's approach is to acquire the "building blocks" like semiconductor and optoelectronic devices, high-end ultra-fast processors, critical EM algorithms etc., and then to integrate them at the self-designed and implemented system levels to cater for her air warfare requirements keeping in mind the unique geographical conditions at the Indo-Pak borders. Please note that the PAF-IAF potential future clashes will mostly occur over the mountainous Kashmir regions for a very short period of time. Whoever wins carriers the day for quite a long period. Both India and Pakistan, having nukes, avoid long total wars (fought by the states with the Imperial pasts or homogeneous nations) that are existential by nature for the elites (even the affluent middle class) in these countries are like "Brahmins", who want to maintain their status quo (wealth is quite difficult to gain in these countries) vis-a-vis the dirt poor common folks....

 

[razgriz19]

Why don't they buy the systems and do it themselves? They patched up that saab pretty good. Took them some time but they did it

 

[warbird]

interesting significant news

 

[Signalian]

Not happening.....PAF has somthing better instore inhouse

I was informed the same.

The technology that PAF has been seeing and acquiring from China, wasn't from scratch. PAF had always started its inhouse projects in parallel, including all types of computing (softwares/programming). PAF projects are mostly customized according to its own needs, but doesn't have the capability to build own bigger platforms.

Seeing JFT and what it can do 20 years on, it seems that majority of PDF has underestimated PAF all the time.

 

[Signalian]

IMO Pakistan's approach is to acquire the "building blocks" like semiconductor and optoelectronic devices, high-end ultra-fast processors, critical EM algorithms etc., and then to integrate them at the self-designed and implemented system levels to cater for her air warfare requirements keeping in mind the unique geographical conditions at the Indo-Pak borders. Please note that the PAF-IAF potential future clashes will mostly occur over the mountainous Kashmir regions for a very short period of time. Whoever wins carriers the day for quite a long period. Both India and Pakistan, having nukes, avoid long total wars (fought by the states with the Imperial pasts or homogeneous nations) that are existential by nature for the elites (even the affluent middle class) in these countries are like "Brahmins", who want to maintain their status quo (wealth is quite difficult to gain in these countries) vis-a-vis the dirt poor common folks....

You are right about two things.

building blocks and theatre of war, however, the weapon system that will be used to cross the LOC will pre dominantly be drones, loiter ammo and missiles (any type). Thus the need for SOJ on a platform that can stay in skies for hours to electronically escort all types of aircrafts and ammunitions (yes even guide munitions) across the border.

 

[Signalian]

It's on the roadmap, but it doesn't seem like the PAF has pulled the trigger on the program yet. I also wonder if they'll loop in Aselsan (for HAVASOJ) or go for some other suite. @JamD @arslank01 @Oscar

Have you noticed that majority of the tech used by PAF has gone local which includes systems and weapons (excluding F-16).

 

[CynicalPakistaniCritic]

Have you noticed that majority of the tech used by PAF has gone local which includes systems and weapons (excluding F-16).

How? J-10C and drone fleet is from China?

Munitions are local, JF-17 is partially local, and some subsystems are local

 

[Signalian]

How? J-10C and drone fleet is from China?

Munitions are local, JF-17 is partially local, and some subsystems are local

Drone fleet, Mirages and munitions, etc are local. There are 20 odd J10s compared to 100+ JFT and ~150 Mirages, do the math. Sooner or later, J10s will start incorporating with local systems. This is eventuality. Next in line will be J31.

 

[CynicalPakistaniCritic]

Drone fleet, Mirages and munitions, etc are local. There are 20 odd J10s compared to 100+ JFT and ~150 Mirages, do the math. Sooner or later, J10s will start incorporating with local systems. This is eventuality. Next in line will be J31.

What do you define as local? Manufactured locally? Cause much of the drones are Turkish/Chinese in origin

 

[Signalian]

What do you define as local? Manufactured locally? Cause much of the drones are Turkish/Chinese in origin

Shahpar, Burraq, Jasoos. Uqab, are local and in use. Read the eventuality part or not in previous post ?