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The BYD Shark

BYD Shark attack! China’s plug-in hybrid ute set to maul the Ford Ranger and Toyota HiLux – and it’s coming to Australia!​

May 15, 2024 John Mahoney 0 Comments
The 2024 BYD Shark has been launched at an event in Mexico City, with full details released on how the Chinese car giant plans to beat the likes of the Ford Ranger, Toyota HiLux and Isuzu D-MAX.
The big news is that BYD isn’t bothering with a diesel version, preferring to introduce aa plug-in hybrid powertrains that blend a 1.5-litre turbo four-cylinder engine with an electric motor driving the rear axle.

Both are compatible with its Xiaoyun plug-in hybrid system, which packages a 29.5kWh battery and an electric motor that could provide for an all-electric driving range of up to 100km.
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Maximum power for the lower-output engine is 143kW, while the high-output 1.5-litre turbo kicks out around 170kW.
Combined, the most powerful BYD Shark pumps out 321kW, which is enough to haul it from 0-100km/h in just 5.7 seconds – significantly quicker than the Ford Ranger Raptor that currently leads the class with its 0-100km/h sprint of 6.1 seconds.
Meet the BYD Shark

Better still, it blends that with impressive fuel efficiency that will see it average 7.5L/100km without plugging in, and a more impressive 1.5L/100km if you charge it and use the full 100km EV range. Both are recorded on the more lenient Chinese NEDC test cycle.
Total range is claimed to be up to 840km.
When it comes to charging, the Shark’s Blade battery can be topped up at a DC rate of 40kW – with a 30 to 80 per cent recharge taking 20 minutes.
Featuring brash American styling, clearly inspired by larger, full-size trucks and the latest mid-size Ford Ranger, the Shark gets large BYD lettering across its grille and imposing vertical stacked headlamps that are linked by a full-width LED light bar.
The show cars all featured prominent bash-plates, while at the rear there’s a sports bar, roof rails and a pair of vertical taillights that match the Shark’s front lamps and are also interlinked with a large LED lightbar.
Created to be a global model, it seems the BYD Shark has one eye on the growing mid-size market in the US, which explains why it is among the widest in its class.
Measuring 545mm long, 1971mm wide and standing 1924mm tall, the Shark has an impressive 3260mm wheelbase, which is said to help it class-best cabin space. The rear bench is also angled at 27-degrees for enhanced comfort.
The company claims the Shark will drive more like a luxury SUV than a regular ute, with its independent front suspension and a double wishbone rear set-up for enhanced comfort.
It’s not all good news. When it comes to payload, the plug-in BYD ute can only manage to carry 835kg – that’s a long way off the one-tonne payload delivered by its rivals. Towing is another weak point, because the Shark can only haul 2500kg, which sees it trail rivals like the Ford Ranger, which can tow up to 3500kg.
One handy feature Ford and Toyota don’t offer is the Shark’s vehicle-to-load capability, which can turn the BYD ute turn into a mobile power station that can power lighting, tools and even heat a jacuzzi.
The BYD Shark's cabin

Within the cabin, the BYD Shark gets a centre console that’s said to be inspired by an aircraft. Brightening up the cabin, there are lots of orange highlights, while the Shark comes with the same rotating 10.25-inch infotainment system that offers wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.
New for the Shark is a more advanced ‘Hey BYD’ voice control that has greater functionality and can now lower the windows hands-free, change the temperature, and access Spotify. You can also play games on the move, including Karaoke.
The BYD will be offered in three colours Palace White, Atlantis Grey and Marmara Black.
Off-road, BYD offers a terrain-response system with three driving modes – Mud, Sand and Snow – that pre-arms the all-wheel drive, stability control and traction control for the conditions.
In Mexico, where the BYD Shark was unveiled, the new pick-up was launched in two variants – the base Shark GL that was priced from MX$899,980 ($A80,500), while the flagship Shark GS costs MX$969,800 ($A85,500) – mirroring the $90k price of the Ford Ranger Raptor in Australia.
 

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People don't buy Tesla because it is an EV.

But people buy Tesla because of smart features and it turns out to be EV too.

Polestar made a big mistake here, by focusing on EV and forgetting about smart features.

I think the top reasons people buy EVs (at least for me)

1) They are sick and tired of oil and all its stupid shenanigans (gasoline prices/wars/whining/powerplays etc) and they will pay a lot extra just to not be part of its #$%@ anymore. "Oh oil prices now $80/barrel...and gas close to $4....fine...whatever...plugs-in car at home". "F" all the oil companies...drop dead please...thank you.

2) They are sick and tired of hearing some mechanic rattle off an endless list of things that need to be fixed to get your car running again. "Well your oxygen sensor has failed, your head gasket is leaking oil, your timing belt is worn, your cooling hoses are cracking, your transmission fluid has metal shavings, and your ignition system is worn out...that'll be $5000. "F" that stuff. Go sucker somebody else. Cars should be built like an iPhone. You buy it and that's it.

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...and EV regen braking means one pedal driving..so no disc brake replacements should be needed. A huge maintenance bonus!

3) Traditional car makers/mass media didn't take EVs seriously and said it would flop and people should stick with their proven gasoline engines like good little sheep. Many people now have little sympathy for those car makers who for the decades put them through points #1 and #2...many think needlessly and sinisterly.

So why are people buying Tesla EVs specifically..
1) They feel Tesla is the sole company that pointed out the issues in points #1, #2, and #3 and were willing to take any risks/costs to surmount it. So buying an EV from them is considered a deserved payback.
2) Their cars have great reliability ratings
3) Their cars have great safety ratings
4) Their cars are extremely fast..even their lowest-end models have over 300hp and crazily rocket off the line...to a point where they have actually supplied a low acceleration button ("Chill mode") to save on excessive wear on your tires. :oops:

As for "saving the planet" I'm sure some are doing it for that...but I don't think most buyers care.
 
I think the top reasons people buy EVs (at least for me)

1) They are sick and tired of oil and all its stupid shenanigans (gasoline prices/wars/whining/powerplays etc) and they will pay a lot extra just to not be part of its #$%@ anymore. "Oh oil prices now $80/barrel...and gas close to $4....fine...whatever...plugs-in car at home". "F" all the oil companies...drop dead please...thank you.

2) They are sick and tired of hearing some mechanic rattle off an endless list of things that need to be fixed to get your car running again. "Well your oxygen sensor has failed, your head gasket is leaking oil, your timing belt is worn, your cooling hoses are cracking, your transmission fluid has metal shavings, and your ignition system is worn out...that'll be $5000. "F" that stuff. Go sucker somebody else. Cars should be built like an iPhone. You buy it and that's it.

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...and EV regen braking means one pedal driving..so no disc brake replacements should be needed. A huge maintenance bonus!

3) Traditional car makers/mass media didn't take EVs seriously and said it would flop and people should stick with their proven gasoline engines like good little sheep. Many people now have little sympathy for those car makers who for the decades put them through points #1 and #2...many think needlessly and sinisterly.

So why are people buying Tesla EVs specifically..
1) They feel Tesla is the sole company that pointed out the issues in points #1, #2, and #3 and were willing to take any risks/costs to surmount it. So buying an EV from them is considered a deserved payback.
2) Their cars have great reliability ratings
3) Their cars have great safety ratings
4) Their cars are extremely fast..even their lowest-end models have over 300hp and crazily rocket off the line...to a point where they have actually supplied a low acceleration button ("Chill mode") to save on excessive wear on your tires. :oops:

As for "saving the planet" I'm sure some are doing it for that...but I don't think most buyers care.


I guess most people think EV is like gasoline car.

But with all the bothersome, nightmares, and inferiority.

It's funny.


I watch people video in China social media.

She just recently bought an EV and immediately sold her ICE car.

She said if she knew that EV is this good and convenient, she would buy it since a long time ago.

She no longer needs to go to the gas station and queuing there.

She just recharges the car at home and it also drives very good.
 
She said if she knew that EV is this good and convenient, she would buy it since a long time ago.

The thing is people are wondering why this didn't happen DECADES ago.
Many feel car companies were intentionally squashing EV tech...like Kodak did with their digital camera invention in 1975...because Kodak knew it would upend their long-established gravy train of consumer film sales...so they wanted to keep the tech quiet for as long as possible.
 
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The thing is people are wondering why this didn't happen DECADES ago.
Many feel companies were intentionally dragging their feet on this.

I agree.

I read an article a couple of months ago.

Many big car companies unwillingly make EV cars and see the EV market growing.

It's because they don't hold the patent and can't make a lot of money from it.

The problem with EV, most of the patents are being held by Tesla and other companies.

By accepting EV, it also means throwing away all their old patents on ICE.


The tone and attitude will be different if it's them who hold all the EV patents.
 
I agree.

I read an article a couple of months ago.

Many big car companies unwillingly make EV cars and see the EV market growing.

It's because they don't hold the patent and can't make a lot of money from it.

The problem with EV, most of the patents are being held by Tesla and other companies.

By accepting EV, it also means throwing away all their old patents on ICE.


The tone and attitude will be different if it's them who hold all the EV patents.

The thing is the batteries used in the first 2012 (and current) Tesla Model S are the same 18650 model batteries Sony used in their 1991 devices (like laptops). This was not some new invention. It was well established, tested, and more importantly known tech.

The only thing needed for EVs to hit the road was to reduce the cost of making batteries.
I think a consortium of the legacy automakers could have put up the money for that...and they had a 20 year lead to do it before Tesla sold its first "S".

It's now 2024...12 years after the Tesla Model S...what do most automakers have to show for it?
Mostly nothing. Time squandered.


..and the Media...year after year talk about how Tesla will die quickly "as legacy automakers will simply swap batteries into their top selling gasoline car models".

So where's all those top selling car models that are now available as EVs....
 
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