Will ISRAEL lose Its ‘Numero Uno’ spot as The Most Powerful Air Force In The Middle-East ?

[The SC]

Egyptian and turk airforce are no joke.
Egyptian pilots are not well trained though turkish pilots are well trained and equipped.

Where did get that from: Egyptian pilots are not well trained

 

[RescueRanger]

Guys polite request - in the past 30 mins 6 reports have been generated from this thread. Kindly refrain from personal attacks and off-topic posting. Thank you.

 

[Musings]

Anymore and you will be thread banned. Come on guys

 

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TURKIYE vs ISRAEL


Israel has no any main platform and Engine technologies

Only USA-Turkiye-China-Europe-Russia develop-produce all these technologies in the World


Turkish Aviation Industry becomes one of top Powers in the World to change balance of power in the region

-- KAAN 5th gen Fighter Jet
-- HURJET next gen trainer and light attack Jet
-- HURKUS trainer Aircraft
-- TB-2 and TB-3 Tactical UCAVs
-- ANKA and AKSUNGUR MALE UCAVs
-- AKINCI strategic strike UCAV
-- KIZILELMA and ANKA-4 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets
-- ANKA-3 unmanned stealth Fighter Jet
-- SUPER SIMSEK , AZAB , KARGI , KEMANKES long range Kamikaze Drones

-- T-129 and T-929 Attack Helicopters
-- T-625 and T-925 Utility Hellicopters
-- HAVASOJ Airborne stand off Jammer
-- KORAL and REDET-II mobile Radar Electronic Warfare Systems
-- GOKTURK and IMECE military Satellites
-- TURSAT-6A communications Satellite

-- Gan based AESA Radars MURAD , BURFIS , ALP-300G , ALP-500G
-- Targeting and Jamming Pods ASELPOD and MEHPOD
-- FEWS Electronic Warfare Suite
-- SPEWS-II Electronic Warfare Suite
-- KARAT IRST
-- TOYGUN EOTS
-- TULGAR HMDS
-- YILDIRIM DIRCM Directed Infrared Countermeasure System by high power LASER
-- Avionic and E/O Systems
-- TAI ejection Seat
-- Tubitak-BILGEM mission Computer

-- TAYFUN and CENK Ballistic Missiles
-- KARA-ATMACA , GEZGIN , SOM , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ Cruise Missiles
-- BOZDOGAN , GOKDOGAN and GOKHAN Air to Air Missiles
-- AKBABA anti-radiation Missile
-- SUNGUR , GURZ , GOKDEMIR , HISAR-A/O , SIPER Air Defense Systems
-- HGK , KGK , LGK , NEB , TEBER , SERT-83 , TOLUN-IIR , KUZGUN-SS , guided Bombs
-- TEI TS-1400 Turboshaft Engine for Helicopters
-- TEI TF-10.000 turbofan Engine for KIZIELMA and ANKA-3/4 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets
-- TR-MOTOR TF-35.000 turbofan Engine for the KAAN Fighter Jet

 

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4.5 gen Fighter Jet fleet ( with AESA Radar ) in the region by 2030


-- Greece with 24 Rafale and 84 F-16V
-- Egypt with 54 Rafale and 24 Eurofighter on agenda
-- Israel with 25 F-15EX and upgrade its 25 F-15/I variants to the same avionic configuration of the F-15 EX

-- Turkiye with 270+ F-16 Block70 with APG-83 and MURAD AESA Radars armed with 160 km AIM-120C8 and 200 km GOKHAN air to air Missiles

also 40 Eurofighter T4 on agenda


So Turkish Air Force will have more 4.5 gen Fighters than İsraeli+Hellenic+Egyptian Air Forces combined



Stealth Platforms

-- Israeli Air Force will have 75 F-35s
-- Turkish Air Force will have KAAN , KIZILELMA and ANKA-3

 

[Admiral General Aladin]

Again

I am not talking about superiority in engine

I am talking about single engine F-35 with a very high heat signature

KAAN use 2 x engines with turbine inlet temperature of 1510 °C
F-35 use single engine with turbine inlet temperature of 1980 °C

KAAN even with F-110 Engines close to F35 in terms of heat signature.


and Turkiye develops 35.000 lbf turbofan Engine with latest technologies
so KAAN will be better than F-35

I am not talking about superiority in engine

I am talking about single engine F-35 with a very high heat signature

KAAN use 2 x engines with turbine inlet temperature of 1510 °C
F-35 use single engine with turbine inlet temperature of 1980 °C

KAAN even with F-110 Engines close to F35 in terms of heat signature.


and Turkiye develops 35.000 lbf turbofan Engine with latest technologies
so KAAN will be better than F-35

wtf is this like logic.

No,no don't tell him such stuff,he'll go nuts on you now.

well.i respect him for his love for his country.but he sometimes forget world is not centered around him and his country.there'll always be a bigger dog.

 

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F-15 , F-16 , RAFALE , MIG-29M2 , SU-35 will lose BVR combat against Turkish KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet


RCS
F-15EX : 5m2
F-16C : 1 m2
RAFALE : 1 m2
SU-35 : 3 m2
KIZILELMA block1 : 0.3 m2
KIZILELMA block2 : 0.005 m2



KIZILELMA with same advanced characteristics as 5th-generation Fighters

-- High situational awareness with EOTS , IRTS and AESA Radar
-- Stealth design and composite material featuring a low radar signature
-- Internal weapon bay for stealth flight capability
-- Smart fleet autonomy equipped with artificial intelligence
-- 2 x TF-10.000 turbofan engines for supersonic cruise
and to carry 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missiles in internal weapon bay

First-look , First-fire , First kill capability

Also ANKA-4 unmanned stealth Fighter Jet on the way


Turkiye focused on quantity to produce 4 KIZILELMA in price of 1 F-35

1 F-35 never can match with 1 KAAN + 4 KIZILELMA in tactical air combat concept

And Israel lack this concept

 

[Admiral General Aladin]

Th

We dont care about some People with inferiority complex
Israel is a little shit without USA .. nothing else

KAAN is full of Turkish technology except Engine now
With TR-MOTOR Engine KAAN will be full of indigenous

Aselsan AESA Radar
Aselsan FEWS Electronic Warfare Suite
Aselsan TOYGUN EOTS
Aselsan KARAT IRST
Aselsan TULGAR HMDS
Aselsan YILDIRIM DIRCM Directed Infrared Countermeasure System by high power LASER
Tubitak-BILGEM mission Computer
Full data-to-decision (D2D) capability
TAI ejection Seat
TR-MOTOR turbofan Engine ... 35.000 lbs

Turkiye has its own technology

And F-35 is not alien technology ...
Even KIZILELMA and ANKA-4 will be enough to match with F-35
We can produce 5 KIZILELMA in price of 1 F-35
And Israel produce nothing

The problem is that,Your aesa radar is still a generation or two behind American or european or chinese aesa radars.us or Chinese or Europe is pouring billions of dollars in research but turkish overall defence budget is merely 10 billion dollars.you just can't compete with israel or america.your leadership konws that.btw israel is not a shit.they're a formidable regional heavyweight even without american support.and i'm not a supporter of israel.i just accept the reality.

 

[Admiral General Aladin]

Where did get that from: Egyptian pilots are not well trained

Maybe Egyptian airforce pilots are well trained but your airforce is sitting duck compare to israel.and turkish airforce only have F-16. no one is a threat for israel.

 

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wtf is this like logic.

If you are so ignorant then wtf is doing on PDF ?

I showed you that F-35 has single engine configuration with 43,000 lbf F-135 Engine which has very high heat signature ( turbine inlet temperature of 1980 °C )

The F35 has structural cooling to reduce this signature
but with this cooling, the heat signature still cannot decrease to the level of the F110 Engine


Head to head KAAN is with the same stealth capability with the F-35
and KAAN can beat bulky F-35 in dogfight

The problem is that,Your aesa radar is still a generation or two behind American or european or chinese aesa radars.

According to liar jealous troll team

Turkish MURAD-BURFIS AESA Radars are the latest technology Gan AESA Radars
and with 1.152 and 2.000+ T/R gan modules


Comparison of generator powers of some Fighter Jets
▪︎ KAAN: 2x125Kw .... 250 kw (developed by Turkish company VOLT )
▪︎ F35:3x80Kw .... 240 kw
▪︎ F22: 2x65Kw ... 130 kw
▪︎ KF-21: 2x65Kw .. 130 kw ... (Collins aerospace from USA)

250 kw generators will help KAAN to generate electricity to power the powerful AESA Radar
( 40 kw Aselsan BURFIS with 2.000+ GaN T/R modules )

 

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but turkish overall defence budget is merely 10 billion dollars.you just can't compete with israel

Turkiye increased defense budget to $40 billion for 2024

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkey-allocate-150-more-defense-budget-2024-minister-2023-10-17/

Turkiye has bigger economy than Israel+Greece+Egypt combined


so stop trolling and terrorize thread with your lies and anti-Turkiye propaganda
or I will report you ... enough with your troll team

 

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there is nothing anti-turkey propaganda pal.if t here is something wrong is happening, it’s you.you're the one who is polluting here.idiot.

You are a liar and your loser troll team is polluting my thread

1-- You said that Turkish AESA Radar technology is 1 or 2 gen behind to compare with American European Chinese AESA Radars

in reality Turkish AESA Radars use latest technology GaN

2-- You said that Turkiye has 10 billion USD defense budget

in reality Turkiye increased defense budget to 40 billion USD for 2024

and many more lies from you
No any military knowledge and technical post

only trolling and lies to deflect the facts and anti-Turkiye propaganda

 

[Admiral General Aladin]

You are a liar and your loser troll team is polluting my thread

1-- You said that Turkish AESA Radar technology is 1 or 2 gen behind to compare with American European Chinese AESA Radars

in reality Turkish AESA Radars use latest technology GaN

2-- You said that Turkiye has 10 billion USD defense budget

in reality Turkiye increased defense budget to 40 billion USD for 2024

and many more lies from you
No any military knowledge and technical post

only trolling and lies to deflect the facts and anti-Turkiye propaganda

Well.turkish technology is 10 generation ahead of world.turkey is a super power.turkish lira is the world's currency.turkish army just defeated the entire nato army.and occupied america,canada and china.rest of the world are begging mercy infront of Turkish army.
Are you happy brother??

 

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RAFALE , F-15 and F-16 will be easy target for Turkish KIZILELMA and ANKA-4 unmanned stealth Fighter Jets in BVR combat


still People dont understand what is coming





RAFALE , F-15 and F-16 has far bigger RCS than KIZILELMA


KIZILELMA's head on RCS value is due to its
-- stealth design
-- compatible material
-- low-detectable LO geometry
-- lack of cockpit canopy
-- air intake duct concealment
-- radar antenna tilt precaution
-- magnetic layer addition
-- radar absorbing paint
-- and internal weapon bay


KIZILELMA Block2's RCS at the front is 0.,005m2 to compare with 1 m2 RCS of RAFALE and F-16V


Also Turkiye can produce 5 KIZILELMA in price of 1 RAFALE


RAFALE or F-16V can not do even X band main lobe jamming against KIZILELMA
Because In order for RAFALE or F-16V to jam the KIZILELMA in the main lobe, it must first see the KIZILELMA on its radar

but KIZILELMA will see F-16V from 90 km away while F-16V can not see the KIZILELMA from this distance

and GAME OVER

 

[The SC]

Maybe Egyptian airforce pilots are well trained but your airforce is sitting duck compare to israel.and turkish airforce only have F-16. no one is a threat for israel.

Maybe Israel's air force is sitting duck for Egypt.. read about Resonance-NE radar..

The problem is with the US not Israel per se..