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[Flotilla]

There was nothing ‘fancy’ about Sahand.

Old ship design from the 60/70’s with some physical alterations. Old radar. And basic armament package.

Wasn’t sabatoge, it was ineptitude. No one is sitting out there plotting to sink Iran’s ‘modernized’ 1970’s design era ships.

You guys see boogeyman in every accident forgetting that Iran has a long long LONG history of skirting safety and precaution procedures.

Nobody can say that Sahand was a top notch warship.
It was a old design, but she was new. And moreover, she sailed in very complicated high seas. It has no sense to sunk when moored! at port. She was not maneovering for mooring or being collided by no any other vessel at port!.
And yeah, being not a modern naval warfare capable ship it was an excellent school for industry, crews and officers. It is a terrible loose for IRIN.

 

[Readerdefence]

Hi,
Ma be some foul play been happen while building this ship, and with the change of
Regime and president, they want to cover
The tracks
I’m just guessing a more learned member
From Iran can shed more light on this topic
Thank you

 

[Persian Gulf]

Nobody can say that Sahand was a top notch warship.
It was a old design, but she was new. And moreover, she sailed in very complicated high seas. It has no sense to sunk when moored! at port. She was not maneovering for mooring or being collided by no any other vessel at port!.
And yeah, being not a modern naval warfare capable ship it was an excellent school for industry, crews and officers. It is a terrible loose for IRIN.

for its size it was well equipped, even without VLS

IRIN planned to add VLS to Moudge class ships, probably now they will abandon that plan if they didn't already

 

[jauk]

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[muhammed45]

Looks like Sahand is retrieved




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[Persian Gulf]

Looks like Sahand is retrieved
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what a monumental waste of time and resources

scrap IRIN and fund IRGC-N instead. and fire anyone in Iranian media who calls these ships 'destroyers'.

 

[jauk]

Looks like Sahand is retrieved
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The sensitive systems probably have damage. That said, and the fact its natural environment is the corrosive sea, there is already built in corrosion and leakage hardening. Given that, I wonder how extensive the damage really is. The damage should be far less than normal landborne systems.

 

[Flotilla]

Glad to see they managed to raise the hull from the bottom of the port.
But I think she is irrecoverable. First you must assess if the hull has experienced any damage (when a ship sinks the hull embarks many times his own weight in water and can bend or deform the hull easily), but for sure all systems are loost, from machinery and propulsion system to generators, pipes and cables also. Salt water it is extremely corrosive and after many days all electronic equipment and systems are damaged.

scrap IRIN and fund IRGC-N instead. and fire anyone in Iranian media who calls these ships 'destroyers'.

Don´t say so, Mr Persian Gulf. IRIN has achieved many milestones with old ships and scarce resources. They underwent the first round around the globe with a tiny corvette and a converted oiler. They went to the Atlantic north sea with same sunk corvette and patrolled during years the Red Sea for protecting Iranian SLOCs. I know how frustrating can be those bad negligences but IRIN probably is just one part of the problem. Underfunding and mismanagement from political side has contributed to this depressant situation. They have lost 3 ships in 5 years. Three major ships. I won´t talk about sabotage or negligence. But the result it is unacceptable and IRIN it is just a part of the problem.
IRIN has a blue water naval doctrine, has tradition, has good officers and knowledge to solve all of those problems.

 

[sahureka2]

Sahand 74 lifting phase
after 13 days immersed in salt water, if it is repaired, very important work will have to be done, probably only the bare hull + some other elements including shafts and propellers can be saved.
wiring and electrical and electronic parts, motors and generators will certainly have to be replaced.
Therefore the works will be very important and we could also evaluate the possibility of making changes to the rooms inside the hull and the superstructures to make it suitable for receiving the VLS in the superstructure where the lifting ramps are now anchored above to accommodate the containers for the AA missiles .
You would also get a noticeable weight loss upwards

 

[Hack-Hook]

Looks like Sahand is retrieved
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after more than a weak soaking in salt water , i bet only structure is useful , all the electronics , engine , radar , and weapon need replacement , they were better off building a new ship with a more modern design.
the only rational for taking it out is to clear the dock

 

[Flotilla]

after 13 days immersed in salt water, if it is repaired, very important work will have to be done, probably only the bare hull + some other elements including shafts and propellers can be saved.

Completely agreed.

 

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[jauk]

after more than a weak soaking in salt water , i bet only structure is useful , all the electronics , engine , radar , and weapon need replacement , they were better off building a new ship with a more modern design.
the only rational for taking it out is to clear the dock

Don't 'bet'. Provide rationale. Please emphasize why IRIN's 'bet' is different than yours.

 

[jauk]

Sahand 74 lifting phase
after 13 days immersed in salt water,...
wiring and electrical and electronic parts, motors and generators will certainly have to be replaced.

Please provide rationale why a system built for the sea would need to do this. There is no doubt there has been damage. I do challenge, however, the narrative of 'scrapping' most systems and restarting with a mostly bare hull and a few mechanicals.

 

[Flotilla]

I´ve found an interesting article vía Tehran Times about the concerns raised by the Iranian naval expansions in the US.
Unfortunately it is just some conclusions taken by the Tehran Times journalist about the original article. But here comes some hints about why US/Israel could be interesting in damaging the Iranian naval power;

Azizi points out that "Lately, however, Iran's naval forces have acquired more advanced vessels, including new submarines and missile-armed warships, and have begun to venture as far as the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. These changes are in line with Iran's ‘forward defense’ doctrine, adopted after the Iran-Iraq War in 1988 and consolidated in the early 2000s.”

While Sahand and Dena additions can be modest if compared with latest western warships like italians PPA frigates and French FDI frigates or eastern modern frigates like Type 054B or Mogami class frigates, Mowj class are giving a new prospective capacity to IRIN for going out of the brown waters and allowing a technological secure step for newer generation of capable warships.

According to what Azizi says, "Iran has begun to focus its threats on American interests farther afield." However, this does not imply bolstering the security of American bases in the region. Instead, it simply indicates Iran's interest in diversifying its objectives.

That means that recent worldwide navigation of the Dena and Makran raised concerns in the US about the possibility that IRIN could develop a truly blue water navy capable of chosing other war scenarios far from the Iranian coasts and regional interests.

Also, in another part of his note Azizi suggests that "along with its diplomatic efforts, the United States should urge its regional partners to take military measures to contain Iran's maritime challenge." The question should be raised as to whether the countries in the region are willing to collaborate with the U.S. in addressing issues related to Iran and navigating new security challenges.

By that US is trying to use the neighboring countries to keep the naval expansion of Iran, I am thinking in Israel but also probably Saudi Arabia. The last at least passively (using naval bases and air bases to host foreign forces to challenge Iran armed forces).

At the end of the article, Azizi writes: "Washington will need to draw on the full range of its diplomatic and military tools in order to deny Tehran the advantage it seeks at sea."

That implies that US could use even military actions to fight the iranian naval expansion. And at that point sinking the Sahand it is perfectly explanable.

Have anyone access to the original article. Seems to be very illustrative about the US fears about IRIN and IRGCN.

https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/501345/The-new-concerns-of-an-overextended-power