Chinese SAC - FC-31/J-35 5th Gen Stealth Aircraft

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

The Globaltimes and SCMP won't be any faster or more accurate than the PDF.

If you want to get news about China as fast as possible, Douyin and Weibo are the fastest channels. But it requires you to know some Chinese and some Chinese web specific phrases.

Well I am expecting something which is a good news, validate what @Deino use to say to fanboys and probably have some disappointments for fanboys, based on wordings of Deino. Let's see what's come out.

@Michael do you have something exciting news at your end which you can't share on public forums? (I am not asking the actual news but only do you know something exciting new information on J35/31?)

 

[Michael]

Well I am expecting something which is a good news, validate what @Deino use to say to fanboys and probably have some disappointments for fanboys, based on wordings of Deino. Let's see what's come out.

@Michael do you have something exciting news at your end which you can't share on public forums? (I am not asking the actual news but only do you know something exciting new information on J35/31?)

I haven't followed the FC-31 too closely.
There is too much disinformation on the Chinese web that needs to be identified very carefully. I usually only follow the more reliable sources.

 

[Hendarto]

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[Deino]

Cross posting from the other thread:

Guys, I think I have a surprise… just give me a bit more time to be sure - and you know what that means for me - but I’m sure you will like it.

Guys, I have to apologise: Firstly because I kept you in suspense longer than I originally thought and even more because I didn't find the certainty that I always set for myself as a benchmark.

Please share it fast

... but you're right, enough waiting; so first just the facts and then my interpretation: I have information from a very reliable source that at the end of August four J-35/31s were spotted simultaneously on the factory premises in Shenyang.

The interesting thing about it - and this is the weak point - is that I'm not exactly sure what they are exactly: I actually thought that the J-35 could be distinguished from the land-based version J-31 or whatever it's called, mainly by its larger wingspan and slightly different wing geometry. The gap between the wing and the tail unit is not visible anyway due to the low resolution.

Unfortunately, this is not as clear as I thought, but my "impression" is that three of the machines are the same and one is different... it's just that I would assume that only one is a naval version J-35 and the other three are more likely J-31 (?).

 

[Michael]

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I'll add a little extra knowledge.

In China, almost all important industries are state-run organizations. In order to keep enough competitive pressure on these firms, there are usually more than 2 firms in the same field that are in internal competition. 624 and 606 are such a relationship.
606: Shenyang Engine Research Institute.
624: China Gas Turbine Research Institute.
They both belong to Aero Engine Corporation of China. In the field of national key projects, they are in cooperation with each other; in the field of regular projects, they are in competition with each other.

Special Note: Competition among these organizations is so intense that they will not voluntarily cooperate with each other until the government or the parent company is strongly involved. The winner of these competitions will determine the level of investment in them by the Government or the parent company. And even the dominance in further integration in the future. So these competitions are far more brutal than regular business competitions.

WS15 is a cooperative project between 606 and 624. 614, 410, 430, 113 and other organizations are also involved in the WS15 project. It is a national key project.

WS19 is a project of 624. Of course, there are some other organizations involved in the project. But there is no indication that 606 is involved in WS19.

WS10 is 606's project.

China's first demonstration of TVC technology was the J10B TVC. it used the WS10 series engine. This shows that 606 has TVC technology very early, now it is further optimization of TVC technology.

SAC, which makes the J-35, and 606, which has TVC technology, are both located in Shenyang, But they are not part of the same system or the same parent company. the J35 program is also not very much related to 606.
Therefore, whether or not the J35 project uses TVC technology depends on when 624 mastered TVC technology.624 may have developed TVC technology on its own, or it may have acquired TVC technology by way of a technology exchange with 606. But, there is no evidence to surface that 624 has mastered TVC technology.

 

[Michael]

I've just received some highly reliable insider information that completely overturns our previous predictions about the FC31 series. I can't use a computer to post right now, but I'll reveal it in 3 hours.

 

[TopGun786]

I've just received some highly reliable insider information that completely overturns our previous predictions about the FC31 series. I can't use a computer to post right now, but I'll reveal it in 3 hours.
Waiting

 

[mythbuster]

I've just received some highly reliable insider information that completely overturns our previous predictions about the FC31 series. I can't use a computer to post right now, but I'll reveal it in 3 hours.

I am sure my stand on strategic compulsion will be vindicated .... anyways , thanks in advance .

 

[Michael]

I've just received some highly reliable insider information that completely overturns our previous predictions about the FC31 series. I can't use a computer to post right now, but I'll reveal it in 3 hours.

I am back. Now for the latest news.

Hint: This is insider information, and it will have a hugely disruptive impact on our previous analysis and judgment of the FC31 series. Reliable messaging channels. Please judge for yourself the authenticity of the message. I can't go into detail about the messaging channel due to a few factors.

1. About WS19.
As of today, only a few production WS19 engines (<10) have been delivered. More than 20 units will be delivered by the end of this year. About 30 units will be delivered this year. ------ For legal reasons, I can't release the exact figures.

2. About J31/J35.
FC31 series: Air Force version J31, Navy version J35. These codes are not used within the military-industrial system. They are still just rumors. I'm going to continue using these codes for now.

As of today, the PLA Navy has not placed an official order for J35, and they are still hesitating. PLAAF has placed the first order for the J31 and SAC is in production.
There is no indication that PAF has placed J31/J35 orders.
SAC's plant currently produces only the Air Force version of the FC31 (J31), they do not produce the Navy version of the FC31 (J35). ------ This refers to the mass-produced type.
The WS19 production plant does not currently produce the WS19 engine for the Navy.

That's all for the message. This news was first published on the PDF platform. Do not easily spread to other media platforms.

These news have subverted the analysis and judgment of most people, including my previous analysis and judgment.
Friends revealed to me earlier this year that the first deliveries of the FC31 would be the Air Force version. I'm posting this news to PDF. But none of us believed it, including me. Judging by the latest news we got today, this news is the real situation.

Post in thread 'Chinese SAC - FC-31/J-35 5th Gen Stealth Aircraft'

Jan 5, 2024

The first batch of WS19 has started production at the factory
The first customer of J35 will be the PLAAF
--------------From 624

• Michael

The J35 of the PLA Navy and the J31 of the PAF are still far away.
So, please don't get excited and continue to wait and see.

 

[mythbuster]

I am back. Now for the latest news.

Hint: This is insider information, and it will have a hugely disruptive impact on our previous analysis and judgment of the FC31 series. Reliable messaging channels. Please judge for yourself the authenticity of the message. I can't go into detail about the messaging channel due to a few factors.

1. About WS19.
As of today, only a few production WS19 engines (<10) have been delivered. More than 20 units will be delivered by the end of this year. About 30 units will be delivered this year. ------ For legal reasons, I can't release the exact figures.

2. About J31/J35.
FC31 series: Air Force version J31, Navy version J35. These codes are not used within the military-industrial system. They are still just rumors. I'm going to continue using these codes for now.

As of today, the PLA Navy has not placed an official order for J35, and they are still hesitating. PLAAF has placed the first order for the J31 and SAC is in production.
There is no indication that PAF has placed J31/J35 orders.
SAC's plant currently produces only the Air Force version of the FC31 (J31), they do not produce the Navy version of the FC31 (J35). ------ This refers to the mass-produced type.
The WS19 production plant does not currently produce the WS19 engine for the Navy.

That's all for the message. This news was first published on the PDF platform. Do not easily spread to other media platforms.

These news have subverted the analysis and judgment of most people, including my previous analysis and judgment.
Friends revealed to me earlier this year that the first deliveries of the FC31 would be the Air Force version. I'm posting this news to PDF. But none of us believed it, including me. Judging by the latest news we got today, this news is the real situation.

Post in thread 'Chinese SAC - FC-31/J-35 5th Gen Stealth Aircraft'

Jan 5, 2024

The first batch of WS19 has started production at the factory
The first customer of J35 will be the PLAAF
--------------From 624

• Michael

The J35 of the PLA Navy and the J31 of the PAF are still far away.
So, please don't get excited and continue to wait and see.

I am going to use that much maligned cliche ' trust me bro '.....PAF is getting J31 sooner than later .

 

[TAC]

I am going to use that much maligned cliche ' trust me bro '.....PAF is getting J31 sooner than later .

If PLAAF has indeed placed order for the J-31, it’s positive news for PAF getting it at some point. A type already in service with the PLAAF will be far more believable as export ready.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

I am going to use that much maligned cliche ' trust me bro '.....PAF is getting J31 sooner than later .

J-31 will definitely come but when is big ?

 

[Deino]

...

2. About J31/J35.
FC31 series: Air Force version J31, Navy version J35. These codes are not used within the military-industrial system. They are still just rumors. I'm going to continue using these codes for now.

As of today, the PLA Navy has not placed an official order for J35, and they are still hesitating. PLAAF has placed the first order for the J31 and SAC is in production.
There is no indication that PAF has placed J31/J35 orders.
SAC's plant currently produces only the Air Force version of the FC31 (J31), they do not produce the Navy version of the FC31 (J35). ------ This refers to the mass-produced type.
The WS19 production plant does not currently produce the WS19 engine for the Navy.

....

welcome back but please accept, that some here - including me - are a bit (in fact a lot) confused!!!

So you say the PLAAF has indeed ordered the J-31 (?), whereas the PLAN not yet the J-35?

 

[sutton9999]

I am back. Now for the latest news.

Hint: This is insider information, and it will have a hugely disruptive impact on our previous analysis and judgment of the FC31 series. Reliable messaging channels. Please judge for yourself the authenticity of the message. I can't go into detail about the messaging channel due to a few factors.

1. About WS19.
As of today, only a few production WS19 engines (<10) have been delivered. More than 20 units will be delivered by the end of this year. About 30 units will be delivered this year. ------ For legal reasons, I can't release the exact figures.

SAC's plant currently produces only the Air Force version of the FC31 (J31), they do not produce the Navy version of the FC31 (J35). ------ This refers to the mass-produced type.
The WS19 production plant does not currently produce the WS19 engine for the Navy.

1. Do you have any idea about the thrust of WS19, Is it close to 12 tons?

2. The Navy version is more complicated than the land version. Make sense land version is ready first (heard about it long ago). The same goes for navy version of the engine.

 

[Michael]

welcome back but please accept, that some here - including me - are a bit (in fact a lot) confused!!!

So you say the PLAAF has indeed ordered the J-31 (?), whereas the PLAN not yet the J-35?

I know how shocking the news is. It's completely different from my previous view. I had a hard time accepting the news myself. But the message I received was true. I trust my news channel very much.
Friends of PDF, please judge for yourselves.

1. Do you have any idea about the thrust of WS19, Is it close to 12 tons?

Please don't ask me for any data that is still confidential.
I do not know! I do not know! I do not know!