Ali_Baba
VIP Member
Honestly those frames are old and maintenance heavy. Su35s are a good decision for Irans needs. Hopefully they put this new programme on an accelerated procurement schedule.
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Honestly those frames are old and maintenance heavy. Su35s are a good decision for Irans needs. Hopefully they put this new programme on an accelerated procurement schedule.
Hypersonic
Registered Member
You basically just answered your own points. I.e there are counter to everything, whether it’s electronic warfare or anything. As for price per unit, you’re assuming to know costs per unit of Iranian UAVs. Only someone who is smoking the good stuff thinks Iranian UAVs will cost that much. Reason why other nations’ system might cost so much (eg Turkey) is because they rely heavily on importing components. Iran is heavily self reliant and there is no profit seeking private companies in its defence sector so its hardware will be considerably cheaper than any foreign system.
vmro
Registered Member
Having own lines of production, with basis being SU-35 is practically new era of Iranian air forces...but not spending too much money and energy for this segment, Iran should continue on the same way as before, this is just must-have step for any serious army, f5 were weak for mig21, they are history...SU-35 is ideal for Iranian needs now..
vmro
Registered Member
F-5 is not bad at all, useful for air policing, that was very ambitious project designed to be effective in very long period....
But it was inferior and retired from serious air dominance projections by mig-21, and the rest is history...
Can be useful for some simple purposes, or education, but not enough for serious military forces...
Hack-Hook
INT'L MOD
kowsar is useful for the job, f-5 not so usseful
LongLiveIran
Registered Member
A pessimistic (realistic) prediction:
Now that Trump is back, Putin will not deliver Su-30s and Su-35s to Iran in return for some relief from US sanctions or a significant reduction of the US military and financial aid in Ukraine.
We will see how this comment will age in a few months.
Now that Trump is back, Putin will not deliver Su-30s and Su-35s to Iran in return for some relief from US sanctions or a significant reduction of the US military and financial aid in Ukraine.
We will see how this comment will age in a few months.
tsunset
The Legend
We need to look at this from a Russian perspective and taking distance
Will Putin trust immediately the US because Trump is pushing for that? What are the guarantees for Russia that sanctions won't be reapplied when Trump will go away? No guarantee because US congress decides for that, all the relief that he would get would go away once Trump gets out
Where will Ukraine go? Billions have been invested into this war and weapons are already delivered, all of this to stop Iran to acquire 4th gen fighters and reduce trade?
Trust will take decades to rebuild, what they did with Ukraine is and was massive, the anti-Russian propaganda, the dehumanization and insults, rewriting Russian history, personal insults to Russia, threats to nuke Russia, scamming Russian people, operational help with awacs plane to target Russian troops etc
Remember when Iran demanded guarantees to the US that future presidents respects JCPOA, the response that Iran received was Trump illegally breaking the deal by surprise
LongLiveIran
Registered Member
Exactly. We need to look at this from a Russian perspective and now they get 4 years of a friendly US. Sure, after 4 years, things can go sideways for them. But who knows? The Democrats lost everything this time. The Senate, the House, the Presidency, popular vote, even Hispanics and Blacks didn't vote for the Democrat nominee. So, there's a reasonable chance that the Republicans would win the next presidential election as well, particularly if Trump succeeds in improving the US economy.
We like it or not, countries, including Russia, prefer to work with the United States rather than confront her. This applies to China as well. But I think we should wait and see. My prediction is just a prediction at this point. Time will tell if it's true or not.
Immortals
Elite Member
I don’t know who needs to hear this, but the chance of China providing Iran the FC-31 is near zero in this current state of relationship.
The mostly likely export market is Pakistan first and foremost and we have not seen that yet.
While it would be great to have SU-57 or FC-31 neither are possible at current moment so I don’t understand why people keep imploring the government to “negotiate” with China for these warplanes. Our history with China over weapon purchases is even less than our relationship with Russia. Last major Chinese-Iranian arms package was for C-802 cruise missiles back in the late 90’s.
Flotilla
Trusted Member
It is crazy. FC31 is just in testing stage, and so advance that any deal with IRIAF would break the status quo in the ME. All countries un the Región would punish China if they transfer or just sell such a fighter. Not to mention the price.
And Su57 is desperately wanted by Russia. There are just one squadron and a half of them operative. And are required at least 10 squadrons to start producing more for export.
Navid09
Registered Member
One thing I was curious about is why does it look so similar to qaher 313.
Even the name has the 31 in it. Is there some sort of link?
On the wiki page it says
1⁄4-scale model was introduced in a Chinese exhibition in 2012. Qaher was shown 2013 and was also quite small.
Even the name has the 31 in it. Is there some sort of link?
On the wiki page it says
1⁄4-scale model was introduced in a Chinese exhibition in 2012. Qaher was shown 2013 and was also quite small.
vmro
Registered Member
Both Russia and Iran prefer to work with usa, tried several times and could try countless times more, results with be sadly same and insulting...
LongLiveIran
Registered Member
Russia is different from Iran. The US needs Russia in the UN Security Council. Russia is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and it's the only country that can challenge the US in terms of nuclear weapons. Russia continues to have great influence in the Caucasus, Central Asia and Eastern Europe. Iran has none of these.
Didn't Putin openly welcome discussing their issues with Trump? Knowing Trump, do you think Trump would make an enemy of Putin?
