Bangladesh Air Force

[Yasser76]

Don't make general claim without providing source. Beside, my map include civilian airport that IAF could potentially operate from in the region.



Nope I didn't . I said, you can only hit anyhinng inside BD from India if BAF aircraft flying over Dhaka and Rafale in Tripuran airspace. That is a very specific scenario. You said-



And that is again false.

Because you can not pretty much hit any aircraft inside BD that is flying in other places. Like say in the south over barishal airspace.



Absurd and false.

Sigh, live in your fantasy world. In a real world scenario all 4-5 will receive massive attacks from cruise missiles, the few airplanes will be tracked by Indian AWACS, you will e outnumbered by 5-6 to 1. Good luck. Never seen such delusion on this site

 

[Afif]

You are simply strawmanning.

 

[Peregrine]

It is suicide. You have a small country surrounded almost completely by a larger neighbour. Any air to air confrontations will be very short and end up in the IAF's favour. That is no detriment to the skill and efficiency of BAF or it's equipment. Would happen to any force in a similar situation.

Better use of long and medium range SAMs, deny any IAF aircraft ability to operate

That is true.

But remember. BD doctrine is defensive oriented. The goal is to deter agression as its unlikely to win air-air battle against a materially far superior Indian airforce.

Therefore the BD forces must focus more on air-defence systems. Which is actually happening. But unfortunately too slow. Coming years there will be more and more Turkish origin air defence equipment in BD Army.

OTOH India cannot really win a full scale invasion war in BD. It may take out Air force and ground based air-defence but Indian land army cannot enter BD and hope to defeat the BD Army completeley.

 

[Yasser76]

That is true.

But remember. BD doctrine is defensive oriented. The goal is to deter agression as its unlikely to win air-air battle against a materially far superior Indian airforce.

Therefore the BD forces must focus more on air-defence systems. Which is actually happening. But unfortunately too slow. Coming years there will be more and more Turkish origin air defence equipment in BD Army.

OTOH India cannot really win a full scale invasion war in BD. It may take out Air force and ground based air-defence but Indian land army cannot enter BD and hope to defeat the BD Army completeley.

That is exactly when I first posted on here. Assets like Eurofighter/Rafale are not defensive, they are more of a liability if you cannot protect them (or their air bases). Multi layered, hidden and comprehensive SAM network could so BD suucessfully shoot down so many IAF planes it becomes to expensive for India...

 

[Peregrine]

That is exactly when I first posted on here. Assets like Eurofighter/Rafale are not defensive, they are more of a liability if you cannot protect them (or their air bases). Multi layered, hidden and comprehensive SAM network could so BD suucessfully shoot down so many IAF planes it becomes to expensive for India...

Yea but its not really an option to NOT have Fighter aircrafts either. BD has a large continental shelf in the Bay of Bengal, there is the ditzy Myanmarese Army too.

Having a airforce that can deliver a bloody nose to an adversay, would be a great asset regardless.

Look at tiny Israel. They have the most advanced and potent air force in the ME.

 

[Yasser76]

Yea but its not really an option to NOT have Fighter aircrafts either. BD has a large continental shelf in the Bay of Bengal, there is the ditzy Myanmarese Army too.

Having a airforce that can deliver a bloody nose to an adversay, would be a great asset regardless.

Look at tiny Israel. They have the most advanced and potent air force in the ME.

I agree, thats why I said some sort of COIN aircraft too, but Eurofighters or Rafales are just a waste of BD Money, assets, time and manpower when you can use those resources to make a formidable ADGES.

I really would not compare BD to Israel and India to the Arab states. Unfortunately IAF is a competent force, with much better equipment and training and about 6 times the size of BAF.

 

[Peregrine]

I agree, thats why I said some sort of COIN aircraft too, but Eurofighters or Rafales are just a waste of BD Money, assets, time and manpower when you can use those resources to make a formidable ADGES.

I really would not compare BD to Israel and India to the Arab states. Unfortunately IAF is a competent force, with much better equipment and training and about 6 times the size of BAF.

In Reality the only true deterrence against a formidable thermonuclear power like India, is possession of own thermonuclear weapons. Ref. North Korea vs. US.

But, BD actually faces larger threat from Myanmar in the immidiate as i see it. Therefore potent fighter aircrafts is a necessity.

VS. India, i agree that BD probably requires huuge number of fighters in order to realistically deter agression. Which is not very realistic under current economic circumstances.

In this regards, i agree that focus on Air defence would give more bang for the buck. I would also add surveillance drone to this calculations. Have large lightweight solar powered surveillance drones that can stay operation for several weeks would be the dream.

In fact drones may be a better solution overall, because it can be deployed in larger numbers within a constrained budget.

 

[Yasser76]

I would argue the BD Forces need to follow the Swiss and Finnish examples. Both are/we so close to potential enemies and knew their airbases would come under instant attack so build underground ones or ones in rocks and relived on mass conscription/militia to make any invasion so costly it would put off an attacker. BD has the ability and manpower to do that, it lacks underground air bases but with effective SAMs it may not need these.

Agree though, ultimately the best defence against a nuke armed power is to have nukes yourself.

 

[mb444]

I would argue the BD Forces need to follow the Swiss and Finnish examples. Both are/we so close to potential enemies and knew their airbases would come under instant attack so build underground ones or ones in rocks and relived on mass conscription/militia to make any invasion so costly it would put off an attacker. BD has the ability and manpower to do that, it lacks underground air bases but with effective SAMs it may not need these.

Agree though, ultimately the best defence against a nuke armed power is to have nukes yourself.

India can not use nukes against BD without impacting itself in equal measures. Indian nukes is not even part of any equation that BD needs to take into consideration.

India also would only use nuke in the event of an existential crisis which is also entirely unlikely in any BD india confrontation.

BD is just too large for india to hold....

 

[Peregrine]

Another reason BD and India wont go to war is the spillover factor. 200 million people is not a joke. Practically entire northeast India would be effected by it.

Then we have Bengal province itself. Expect a massive backlash against central goverment from indian bengalis. It would create huge uproar within India.

 

[Arthur]

Another reason BD and India wont go to war is the spillover factor. 200 million people is not a joke. Practically entire northeast India would be effected by it.

Then we have Bengal province itself. Expect a massive backlash against central goverment from indian bengalis. It would create huge uproar within India.

Rational point. But by now It's very clear that, the Hindutva ideology do not care for an public uproar. Just like their Awami counterpart in Bangladesh.

 

[Pingle]

Actually size of Bangladesh will not be an issue..... if you look at Isreal then Bangladesh is actually 4 to 5 times bigger geographically compared to Israel and israel is surrounded by much larger hostile neighbors like Jordan and Egypt (armed to teeth) and Syria...... still they have a solid defense....

It's not size it's doctrine what matters..... if Bangladesh has to overcome of it's smaller size compared to India or Burma then it has to adopt offensive doctrine and preempt these countries..... Typhoon if they are successful in bringing it will be a nightmare for it's both neighbors if they have offensive doctrine.....

India can not use nukes against BD without impacting itself in equal measures. Indian nukes is not even part of any equation that BD needs to take into consideration.

India also would only use nuke in the event of an existential crisis which is also entirely unlikely in any BD india confrontation.

BD is just too large for india to hold....

Not only this what you are saying but BD is one of the most densely populated countries in the world..... do you seriously believe India will be ready accepting the SIN of nuking BD and see the bloodbath? This is hindu majority country where we see bloodbath as SIN and we are feared of that..... our NFU has roots towards this fear.....

 

[Peregrine]

Rational point. But by now It's very clear that, the Hindutva ideology do not care for an public uproar. Just like their Awami counterpart in Bangladesh.

Yes definately.
Whats more worrying is that hindutva tend to look up to zionist Israel.
Going by the latest treatment of palestinians, it definately is something to keep in mind.

 

[Arthur]

 

[Arthur]