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Serbia is the neighboring country that shot down the F117, it was Hungarian like me. There are many false legends. The reality is that the Serbian air defense was suppressed with anti-radar missiles. They could only work for a short time, they had to be turned off. In the case of the F117, the P18 radar was used, they waited until it came so close that the fire control radar, which was not transmitting until then, immediately locked on the plane after switching on and the missiles were launched. They immediately relocated after being hit, so they survived. The American planes bombed all of Serbia. The Russians neutralized the radar killer missiles in Ukraine, the air defense remained active, and the Uranians tried many times. Either they shot down the missiles or they went to a false target at launch. Only God knows what Iran is capable of, passive radars, optical searchers and point defense would help a lot. However, I have my doubts!
 
In my opinion, these analyses are absurd because Anglo-American-Zionist war machines have never been tested against a minimally strong and well-equipped enemy. Bombing Iraq in the 90s/2000s would be like hopping into the DeLorean (Dr. Brown and Marty McFly) and traveling back to the Middle Ages to bomb medieval peasants—because Iraq had (and still has) no way of detecting what’s in its airspace (even if it’s just a child’s KITE), let alone striking back at the sources of these attacks.

If F-117s and B2s are invincible, why doesn’t the U.S. invade North Korea or hand these weapons over to Ukraine to bomb Russian positions in occupied territories(in Ukraine)? The answer is simple: if F-117s and B2s were deployed against North Korea or Russia, they’d be easily shot down—shattering the myth of military invincibility and costing billions in losses. Then, their media would deny it while the truth would spread online.

Note: Yemen also can’t detect incoming strikes, but yet multiple B-2 bombings (even when hitting their targets) failed to destroy what they intended. Proof? Yemen keeps attacking U.S. and Israeli targets, while Israeli ships still avoid the area.
Never been tested against a minimally strong and well-equipped enemy?

Iraqi Army was the largest and best equipped in the Pan-Islamic world in 1990:

ArmyIraqi Army
TroopsTotal = 640000

Regular Troops = 400000
Republican Guards = 240000
MBTTotal = 5500+

Soviet T-72 = 1000
Soviet T-62 = 1500
Chinese Type 59 = 1500
Soviet T-54/55/M-77 = 1500
British Chieftain MK variants = 30
APC / IFVTotal = 7500

IFV = 1500 (Soviet BMP-1/-2)

APC = 6000 (Soviet BTR-50/-60/-152; Polish OT-62/-64; Soviet MT-LB; Chinese Type 63; American M-113A1/A2; French Panhard M-3; Brazilian EE-11 Urutu)
Artillery PiecesTotal = 3700+

Towed = 3000
Self-propelled = 500
MLRS =200
Air DefenseAA guns = 4000 (From 23 mm to 130 mm)

SAM systems* = 600+ (Soviet SA-2 = 60; Soviet SA-3 = 140; Soviet SA-6/-7/-8/-9/-14 = 300+; French Roland = 100)
Ballistic MissilesTotal = 86 TEL

FROG-7 class TEL = 50
Scud-B class TEL = 36
HelicoptersTotal = 518

Attack type = 159 (German Bo-105 = 56; Soviet Mi-24= 40; French SA-316 = 30; French SA-321 = 13; French SA-342 = 20)

Transport type = 364 (Soviet Mi-6 = 15; American Bell 214 ST = 40; Soviet Mi-8/-17 = 140; Italian Agusta AS-61 = 5; French SA-330 = 20; Soviet Mi-4 = 20; Italian Agusta A-109 = 3; American Bell AB-212 = 5; American Hughes 300C = 30; American Hughes 500D = 30; American Hughes 530F = 26; French SA-342 = 30)
*Iraqi Army had over 6000 SA-7 type.

Iraqi Army had created an integrated air defense system involving hundreds of AAA guns, hundreds of advanced SAM systems, and hundreds of radar systems. Iraqi Army also had de-centralized air defense measures. The most sensitive Iraqi military installations had better defenses than any in Eastern Europe even during the height of the Cold War. In comparison to Iraqi A2/AD defenses in 1990, other Islamic countries had a much smaller inventory of SAM systems let alone an integrated air defense system in place.

The US-led coalition suffered no losses in clashes with Iraqi Air Force but lost dozens of aircraft to Iraqi A2/AD defenses in war in 1991 (Operation Desert Storm).

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Yugoslav A2/AD arrangements were also decent involving thousands of AAA guns, hundreds of SAM systems, and hundreds of radar systems. Yugoslav Army had created some of the earliest examples of IMAD but dispersed SAM in the forested hills, carefully held their fire so as not to give away their frequencies and locations, and made extensive use of decoys to absorb airstrikes of the US-led coalition in war in 1999 (Operation Allied Force).

Yugoslav Military is Formidable Foe
Yugoslavia: Serbia's Air Defenses Pose Challenge To NATO
NATO faces a tough, tight Yugoslav Army

However, the US-led coalition lost only 3 aircraft to Yugoslavian A2/AD defenses in Operation Allied Force. Reason? B-2A had changed the calculus entirely.

During Allied Force, the air war over Serbia, six B-2s conducted 45 sorties out of 9,211 Air Force fighter and bomber sorties in the entire war—less than a half of one percent—but they struck 33 percent of the targets in the first eight weeks of combat.

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The US under Biden administration wasn't doing anything significant in Yemen.

New US campaign against Yemen’s Houthis far more intense than under Biden

Easily shot down is also an exaggeration on your part. They really wouldn't have a "walk in the park" as some here like to claim, but they wouldn't be so easily shot down either, especially considering that there would be some preparatory attacks against long-range air defenses.

As for Iraq, especially the one before 1991, the myth is repeated over and over...

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The B-2 strike on Yemen may be subject to restrictions on the use of the MOP, as only that aircraft is certified to deliver such a bomb. Although Yemen may have some air defenses, it simply did not make sense to employ US Navy tactical aircraft to avoid unnecessary casualties.
Indian authors have a bad habit of downplaying capabilities of other countries. How good were Indian defenses in 1990? The outcome of Operation Desert Storm shocked Soviet and Chinese analysts of the time. Indians also underestimated PAF and generally claimed that their Su-30 MKI were better than F-16 but PAF showed otherwise in Operation Swift Retort in 2019. Indians are deluded.
 
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Never been tested against a minimally strong and well-equipped enemy?

Iraqi Army was the largest and best equipped in the Pan-Islamic world in 1990:

ArmyIraqi Army
TroopsTotal = 640000

Regular Troops = 400000
Republican Guards = 240000
MBTTotal = 5500+

Soviet T-72 = 1000
Soviet T-62 = 1500
Chinese Type 59 = 1500
Soviet T-54/55/M-77 = 1500
British Chieftain MK variants = 30
APC / IFVTotal = 7500

IFV = 1500 (Soviet BMP-1/-2)

APC = 6000 (Soviet BTR-50/-60/-152; Polish OT-62/-64; Soviet MT-LB; Chinese Type 63; American M-113A1/A2; French Panhard M-3; Brazilian EE-11 Urutu)
Artillery PiecesTotal = 3700+

Towed = 3000
Self-propelled = 500
MLRS =200
Air DefenseAA guns = 4000 (From 23 mm to 130 mm)

SAM systems* = 600+ (Soviet SA-2 = 60; Soviet SA-3 = 140; Soviet SA-6/-7/-8/-9/-14 = 300+; French Roland = 100)
Ballistic MissilesTotal = 86 TEL

FROG-7 class TEL = 50
Scud-B class TEL = 36
HelicoptersTotal = 518

Attack type = 159 (German Bo-105 = 56; Soviet Mi-24= 40; French SA-316 = 30; French SA-321 = 13; French SA-342 = 20)

Transport type = 364 (Soviet Mi-6 = 15; American Bell 214 ST = 40; Soviet Mi-8/-17 = 140; Italian Agusta AS-61 = 5; French SA-330 = 20; Soviet Mi-4 = 20; Italian Agusta A-109 = 3; American Bell AB-212 = 5; American Hughes 300C = 30; American Hughes 500D = 30; American Hughes 530F = 26; French SA-342 = 30)
*Iraqi Army had over 6000 SA-7 type.

Iraqi Army had created an integrated air defense system involving hundreds of AAA guns, hundreds of advanced SAM systems, and hundreds of radar systems. Iraqi Army also had de-centralized air defense measures. The most sensitive Iraqi military installations had better defenses than any in Eastern Europe even during the height of the Cold War. In comparison to Iraqi A2/AD defenses in 1990, other Islamic countries had a much smaller inventory of SAM systems let alone an integrated air defense system in place.

The US-led coalition suffered no losses in clashes with Iraqi Air Force but lost dozens of aircraft to Iraqi A2/AD defenses in war in 1991 (Operation Desert Storm).

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Yugoslav A2/AD arrangements were also decent involving thousands of AAA guns, hundreds of SAM systems, and hundreds of radar systems. Yugoslav Army had created some of the earliest examples of IMAD but dispersed SAM in the forested hills, carefully held their fire so as not to give away their frequencies and locations, and made extensive use of decoys to absorb airstrikes of the US-led coalition in war in 1999 (Operation Allied Force).

Yugoslav Military is Formidable Foe
Yugoslavia: Serbia's Air Defenses Pose Challenge To NATO
NATO faces a tough, tight Yugoslav Army

However, the US-led coalition lost only 3 aircraft to Yugoslavian A2/AD defenses in Operation Allied Force. Reason? B-2A had changed the calculus entirely.

During Allied Force, the air war over Serbia, six B-2s conducted 45 sorties out of 9,211 Air Force fighter and bomber sorties in the entire war—less than a half of one percent—but they struck 33 percent of the targets in the first eight weeks of combat.

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The US under Biden administration wasn't doing anything significant in Yemen.

New US campaign against Yemen’s Houthis far more intense than under Biden


Indian authors have a bad habit of downplaying capabilities of other countries. How good were Indian defenses in 1990? The outcome of Operation Desert Storm shocked Soviet and Chinese analysts of the time. Indians also underestimated PAF and generally claimed that their Su-30 MKI were better than F-16 but PAF showed otherwise in Operation Swift Retort in 2019. Indians are deluded.
I don't think we should get lost in historical debates like this

but just to add US invasion of Iraq in 2003 was preceded by decade of brutal sanctions which eroded Iraqi military to huge extent

1991 attacks were very successful against a then strong Iraqi army, but this was also a global coalition and we cannot seriously compare the military of tiny 30 million population Iraq with small GDP with the USA + NATO etc
 
Can Iran counter attack USA bases in region and Israel?
of course, that is the entire premise of iranian deterrence strategy. Iranian leaders are grateful the US has brought their bases so close to Iran, they are well within range of almost all of Iran's ballistic missiles

but ultimately, a total war with Iran is terrible for the US likely on a scale not seen since Vietnam, but a war with USA is existential for Iran. this is a big asymmetry
 
The US is too scared to start a war. Col Wilkerson said the same on the Danny Haiphong and the Nima khor shid channels.

There won’t be any war……
 
Not a single shred of technical evidence suggests anything above 2750 KM otherwise I am willing to listen. If you are talking about hypothetical apogee increase/lofted traj to enhance range then that is possible with almost any BM.
I shudder to think how these old Chinese or DPRK missiles will perform in today’s conflicts with heavy GPS jamming and the notably unreliable storage/ handling/ lack of climate control facilities for ordnance in poorer countries? Good luck having any CEP less than a mile unless the guidance section is less than a few years old max.

Imam Putin used a whole bunch of DPRK SRBM’s and they were wildly inaccurate.
 
stand off weapons don't have sufficient range to hit anything buried underground

they need weeks long SEAD/DEAD missions before they can use B-2

must be a ruse

history suggests the US will start an attack by launching hundreds-thousands of cruise missile strikes from destroyers to suppress air defences
That's correct. Usa will first use destroyers/submarines to target missile cities, ports, navy, SAM systems etc, after a few weeks of heavy bombing, then they will move in with their F35s to completely destroy underground missile facilities. Their aim will be to send Iran back to the 1980s. Usa certainly has full capability to do this, they will destroy any incoming Iranian missile attack on their destroyers and submarines. Iran in turn will bomb Usa bases in middleeast, and possibly attack Israel but Iran cannot stop Usa attack.

Iran needs bigger warheads to cause devastating attack on Usa bases and on Israel, they also need 4th 5th generation planes, submarine with SLBMs is a must aswell. This is to make sure Usa knows they will not get away with it. By the way if the Iranians believe they will not be nuked, they are naive, you never trust the devil, it will do absolutely anything to dominate its enemies.
 
I shudder to think how these old Chinese or DPRK missiles will perform in today’s conflicts with heavy GPS jamming and the notably unreliable storage/ handling/ lack of climate control facilities for ordnance in poorer countries? Good luck having any CEP less than a mile unless the guidance section is less than a few years old max.

Imam Putin used a whole bunch of DPRK SRBM’s and they were wildly inaccurate.

Iran does not have any DPRK or Chinese Missile in its arsenal. Only DPRK connection was Shahab-1/2 engines that came from DPRK's Hawasong-7 in late 1980s. Iran retired even its own Shahab-3s 1.5 decades ago in favor of Emad.

Todays Arsenal is following:

K-4 Exoatmospheric MaRV-IRBM (Radial CAS) 3200 KM Max, probable nuke carrier
Sejjil-II MRBM/IRBM (possible MaRV) 2500 KM
Ghadr-F Exoatmospheric+Endoatmospheric MaRV-MRBM 2000 KM
Fattah I/II Hypersonic MarRV-MRBM 1500 KM
Kheybar Shikan Skip-Glide MaRV-MRBM 1500 KM

There are other less produced missiles but these ones are the main weapons of the IRGC strike force as these ones rained down on Israel.

Then we have suspected triple staged Ghaem SLV as a suspected TEL-ICBM of IRGC, tested 4-5 times already.

Good arsenal for regional bullies but not much against US.
 
Indian authors have a bad habit of downplaying capabilities of other countries. How good were Indian defenses in 1990? The outcome of Operation Desert Storm shocked Soviet and Chinese analysts of the time. Indians also underestimated PAF and generally claimed that their Su-30 MKI were better than F-16 but PAF showed otherwise in Operation Swift Retort in 2019. Indians are deluded.
It only shocked the Chinese military, not the Soviets, who had already analyzed the mini-Desert Storm that was the IAF in the Beeqa Valley, including the Soviets validating their aerospace doctrine based on Egypt's Yom Kippur campaign. Nothing that happened in the Gulf War surprised the Soviets. Regarding Iraq, as I said, the USAF knows very well how to use all its power against adversaries that do not have the capacity to fight back, as it has been since the Korean War.
 
Iran does not have any DPRK or Chinese Missile in its arsenal. Only DPRK connection was Shahab-1/2 engines that came from DPRK's Hawasong-7 in late 1980s. Iran retired even its own Shahab-3s 1.5 decades ago in favor of Emad.

Todays Arsenal is following:

K-4 Exoatmospheric MaRV-IRBM (Radial CAS) 3200 KM Max, probable nuke carrier
Sejjil-II MRBM/IRBM (possible MaRV) 2500 KM
Ghadr-F Exoatmospheric+Endoatmospheric MaRV-MRBM 2000 KM
Fattah I/II Hypersonic MarRV-MRBM 1500 KM
Kheybar Shikan Skip-Glide MaRV-MRBM 1500 KM

There are other less produced missiles but these ones are the main weapons of the IRGC strike force as these ones rained down on Israel.

Then we have suspected triple staged Ghaem SLV as a suspected TEL-ICBM of IRGC, tested 4-5 times already.

Good arsenal for regional bullies but not much against US.
Check this out. Russians retro fitted their own guidance kits on the DPRK KN-23's.

The original cep was greater than 1500m........lol

 
Check this out. Russians retro fitted their own guidance kits on the DPRK KN-23's.

The original cep was greater than 1500m........lol


Almost entire arsenal I listed above can hit bullseye for MRBMs. Kheybar-Shikan and Fattah can achieve < 10 M CEP. Some of them landed on aircraft bunker roofs during IRGCAF's 2nd strike on Israel.

Khorramshahr is submunition/cluster dispenser so its job is different.
 
Trump has personal ties to Zio-Jew Billionaires along with Russo mob from Long beach. His daughter married one. He will pull Iran-attack to prove his loyalty to them so AIPAC can keep funding members of his family in future. Eric is already being groomed as his successor. Even if American deep state does not want it, Trump will pull all strings to start shit with Iran to secure political future of his clan.
 

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